Official Chris Donation Fedora Throwdown Debate Thread

[Null]

Maybe under normal circumstances, but that money is going to get eaten up fast. Have you ever lived through a house fire? Because money is scarce when you're living in hotels.

 

[Spaulding]

And I'd like to point out something: The money order is made out to Barb. There's no way in hell she'll let Chris spend it on a PS4. He'd be lucky if he got enough to buy even one game with it.

That's good to hear. I still think that the care package was a lovely idea, but I'm a little ambivalent about sending them $500 to spend as they like. When I threw in my meager $5, I didn't realize how much other people were willing to donate. I certainly didn't expect over $900! I wanted to give them some bare necessities and cheer them up a bit and amuse myself by watching what they will do with it, and one box of soap and pet treats and crayons seemed like a good idea. I don't know if I would have donated if I had known that there would be so much free money for them.

 

[Doge]

I donated and I personally have no regrets in doing so. I wasn't really expecting anything out of it. In fact, his basic expression of gratitude, barbed or not, exceeded my expectations.

I donated because I felt like it. That's pretty much it.

 

[Misto]

I did not donate, though I wish now I had done so. At that time I chose to use all my disposable income to pay off a debt early, but I could have spared $25 or $30 and gone without a couple of lunches.

I say this fully aware that the fire was caused by their own stupidity and that Barb and Chris are horrible human beings. But I also see it as two people who live at or below the poverty line, who lost the one person who loved them (or at least cared for them) a couple of years ago and who haven't been able to recover from that loss, and who are now basically homeless. Yes they consistently make choices that make their situation worse, but I think many of us are in a position to be at least somewhat compassionate of their situation without *needing* to receive anything in exchange - even their gratitude. I wish I had been, because as shitty human beings as they are, they are still human beings who have done me no harm and deserve some compassion. Who knows, maybe Barb is starting to feel appreciated or at least touched and will become a better person as a result of this (yeah, it's very unlikely but I'm an optimist) . Chris is a lost case regardless...

 

[Greg Sestero]

Have you ever lived through a house fire?.

Yes. I know it's going to sound like I'm being a dick and just saying that because you can't confirm it, but I have. I was pretty young and my parents had access to more resources than the Chandlers did, though, so I'll grant that it's not close to the same situation.

 

[Solid Snake]

Well, I can't say that I'm surprised about Chris being ungrateful for everything. It's just odd that he shuns the only people in the entire world who actually care about his existence, he is a stubborn one.

 

[4Macie]

I'm absolutely sick of this stupid topic.
What do should haves or should not haves matter when he DID in fact get the donation? It's not like we can change it now. I really think debating on whether or not a Chris and his mom got money/donations is seriously the worst topic we've ever discussed. It's either "yes" or it's "no" and the yes is always followed by "because it's the right/good thing to do" and the no is always followed by "because he's an asshole" or "he doesn't appreciate it"

1) anyone that donated thinking that Chris was going to change and start being a good boy is a complete dodo head
2) that said, I really don't think anyone that donated thought Chris would change or even acknowledge it in any positive way.
3) it's their money, seriously, they can do what they want with it without being judged. Hell, I bet there's a few people here who spend money DAILY on things like drugs and alcohol... way worse than whatever Chris or Barb would use the money for (as it's been said, the money order was to Barb, the only way she's letting Chris buy any video games/consoles with it is if he steals the money or if she decides he deserves something for all this stress he's gone through... which is highly unlikely)
4) did I donate? hell no. why not? because I don't feel the need to give money to Chris and Barb. I do not feel any true sympathy for their loss (considering it seems minimal and on the way to mending) and because I do not have that much free cash/items.
5) did you donate? I don't care, so please stop saying "this was totes worth the $13 I sent" or "I wish I hadn't donated $2, Chris didn't even appreciate it"

End of story, so please, listen to the nice Null. No more talking about this subject in any other thread but this one.

 

[Watcher]

It's just odd that he shuns the only people in the entire world who actually care about his existence, he is a stubborn one.

Chris doesn't comprehend self awareness. He doesn't understand that the trolls might wanna donate to him after he accidentally burns his house down. He just sees people giving him money and if they fuck up it's their problem.

I'm absolutely sick of this stupid topic.

I agree, I think this topic would be better served later on down the line. Like in 6 months to a year so we can see the proper results of the donation. As it stands a lot of this is speculation and it just leads to moral and ethical dilemmas.

 

[Tubular Monkey]

Y'all know me. You know how I see it.

 

[GREEDY FIREMAN]

That's like jacking off and then congratulating yourself on a job well done.

What, you mean you don't?

Seriously, though, I don't think they are any more or less deserving of charity than anyone else who's house has caught fire. The donations sent from CWCki members will help someone in need, which is a good thing. However, they already have a monthly income from the government and whatever retirement plan Barb has. So my opinion is that giving them any more than they need to make it to the next arrival of various tugboats would do more harm than good, because (given what we know of their spending habits) it will most likely return them to the same mess they were in before the fire: Isolated from the rest of the world in a vermin infested trash heap.

 

[Himawari]

5) did you donate? I don't care, so please stop saying "this was totes worth the $13 I sent"

Uhh. Sorry? I didn't say that to gloat about being omg such a good person or anything, my point was that I wasn't expecting Chris to change his ways because of it, in response to people like Greg calling us stupid and naive.

 

[cypocryphy]

Some people are legitimately upset that a goofball on the internet received donations after his house caught on fire?

 

[libertyoftheaether]

I think that it should be more of a matter of people asking themselves "Do I want to donate to Chris?" as opposed to dictating what other people should do with their money. Personally, I see Chris as a lost cause and don't really want to donate anything to him because I feel that he'd waste it. But if other people want to donate to him, I have no issue with it.

 

[cypocryphy]

Donating to him was a very good thing to do whether he "wastes" it or appreciates it or not.

 

[Greg Sestero]

Some people are legitimately upset that a goofball on the internet received donations after his house caught on fire?

I very much hope not.

 

[Strewth]

I wish people wouldn't assume I have no compassion because I chose not to donate.
I'm proud of this forum for managing to assemble such a response to an extremely adverse event. I'm not even pissed off about his reaction, because hey, he's been trolled for a third of his life now. Do you not think He-Man would be suspicious if he got a package from Skeletor?
Because that's how he sees it.
The reason I didn't donate is because he refuses to help himself. If Chris had a job interview, and needed money for a suit, I'd be first in queue to help him. This is about my personal morals, and I still greatly respect others for being able to look past that and help someone in need.
I think this thread is a good idea, because if enough people feel strongly enough about a point on both sides of a community then it's certainly a point worth discussing. I just hope it can be done without insults and personal jibes, because this is one of the most bonded and friendly forums I've ever seen, and it shouldn't fall to shit for the sake of a few dollars.

Edited for spelling. Curse this iPhone, and curse my fat thumbs.

 

[Zim]

To donate or not to donate. That is the question and it always comes down to personal opinions and values. I think we all should just agree to disagree on this one.

The reasons behind why some donated and why some of us didn't is no one's business but our own. In instances as this you only have to justify your actions to yourself.

 

[BatNapalm]

I voted no but I can wrap my dodo brain around the fact that people on here donated out of the goodness of their hearts.

 

[Strewth]

To donate or not to donate. That is the question and it always comes down to personal opinions and values. I think we all should just agree to disagree on this one.

The reasons behind why some donated and why some of us didn't is no one's business but our own. In instances as this you only have to justify your actions to yourself.

Thanks for basically saying what I mean, but better, and with less waffle!

 

[libertyoftheaether]

Donating to him was a very good thing to do whether he "wastes" it or appreciates it or not.

Yeah, it takes a hell of a lot of generosity to donate to someone who you know has an entire wiki dedicated to how much of an awful human being he is.