Official Election 2020 Doomsday Thread

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Who wins on November 3rd? (Zeitgeist, not who you're voting for)

  • Expecting a Trump win.

    Votes: 978 45.7%
  • Expecting a Biden win.

    Votes: 277 12.9%
  • Expecting no clear winner on November 3rd.

    Votes: 885 41.4%

  • Total voters
    2,140
  • Poll closed .
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Yeah, cut it off right before I explicitly said he wasn't championing the working class. Typical leftists incapable of argument, falling back to pedantry and insults. Over and over and over again.

Typical Trump faggot, utterly incapable of fathoming that anybody other than the “leftists” you’re so terrified of could possibly have an issue with God Emperor Trump Who Did Everything Right And Never Did Anything Bad Ever And It’s All A Conspiracy Against Him For Realsies :story:
 
The funny thing is, there is only one thing Trump did that I consider worthwhile, and he did it weeks before the election, which is why I didn't vote for him, as I have said multiple times in this thread. But please, keep trotting out the same pathetic insults, it's all you are capable of.

Typical Trump faggot, utterly incapable of fathoming that anybody other than the “leftists” you’re so terrified of could possibly have an issue with God Emperor Trump Who Did Everything Right And Never Did Anything Bad Every And It’s All A Conspiracy Against Him For Realsies :story:
Lol try again.
 
Did he though? Like the memes are funny, but they aren't really that accurate. Trump didn't really 'own the libs' so much as he just largely ignored them and ranted a bit on twitter. I'm sure there are a few things that he did in support of his base; but whenever I ask people on telegram, or other place all I get is 'HIS MOMENT WAS COMING IN THE SECOND TERM REEEEEEE!!'.

I don't like Richard Spencer, but he does have a point when he said that the left seems to actually get shit done.

The reality is that Trump wasn't playing 4-D chess, he's just a kinda shitty con man who got into office by running as the outsider; and once he got inside he just sat on his ass and shit talked like he always did.
i don't fucking know I think thats why people are fervently pro him, because he pisses of libs and they hate libs.
 
i don't fucking know I think thats why people are fervently pro him, because he pisses of libs and they hate libs.

At least the left wingers that voted Biden for the most part appear to have done so because they claim that they intend to use Trump getting ousted to build momentum for grass roots movement and get people out voting locally, which seems to have worked given how leftist a lot of traditionally red states have become.

The people that vote for Trump seem to either be convinced that THIS time he’s going to do all the things he said he’d do but never did, or “because owning the libs”. That’s it. There’s no further movement or intentions of trying to promote anything. It’s just “own the libs”, which is precisely why the “libs” are now winning as hard as they are.
 
At least the left wingers that voted Biden for the most part appear to have done so because they claim that they intend to use Trump getting ousted to build momentum for grass roots movement and get people out voting locally, which seems to have worked given how leftist a lot of traditionally red states have become.

The people that vote for Trump seem to either be convinced that THIS time he’s going to do all the things he said he’d do but never did, or “because owning the libs”. That’s it. There’s no further movement or intentions of trying to promote anything. It’s just “own the libs”, which is precisely why the “libs” are now winning as hard as they are.
Seems to have worked? Republicans outperformed on legislative elections...
 
At least the left wingers that voted Biden for the most part appear to have done so because they claim that they intend to use Trump getting ousted to build momentum for grass roots movement and get people out voting locally, which seems to have worked given how leftist a lot of traditionally red states have become.

The people that vote for Trump seem to either be convinced that THIS time he’s going to do all the things he said he’d do but never did, or “because owning the libs”. That’s it. There’s no further movement or intentions of trying to promote anything. It’s just “own the libs”, which is precisely why the “libs” are now winning as hard as they are.
I agree, i basically held my nose to vote for trump this time, only because the shit that the left was going on about with packing the court was so disgusting to me.

Trump inspires absolutely no interst or loyalty in anyone above moderate intelligence I think. He never needed to though.

Trump's only enduring legacy might be the rightoid who comes after them goes full nazbol though lmao.
 
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Makes zero sense because now the reigns get handed back to people who have been acting as smug and arrogant assholes for the last 60 years and who have started or enabled the following:

Environmentalism Retardation
Social media Activists
Global Warming grift
Globalism
Every single new Age trend scam
Transgenderism
NOMAPS
Identity Politics
Modern Day Atheism
Antifa
Hippies
The Clintons
Diversity Bullshit
Hipsters
9 Dollar Coffee

I mean you're supposed to pick the lesser of two evils, but you somehow fucked that up.
Damn liberals and their 9 dollar coffee.

Seriously though if you can't admit the right has been sperging out the last four years you are willfully blind. Most of the young left has come to terms with the radical sjw movement of the mid 2010's being peak cringe and it's mocked relentlessly in those circles. I can only hope the young right comes to it's senses and reject racist catbois, God Emporer Trump, Q-Anon, and calling for civil war every other day in hindsight over the next few years.
 
All this shit needs to go back to TDS and TES where it came from. This post-game shit talking is getting old.

Taking the piss out of people behaving like spergs is what we do on the farms. As long people continue to do so in regards to this election, we will continue to shit talk them.
 
Well now that I’m temporarily banned and/or permabanned from the primary thread which is about to get flooded once again by people fantasizing about the liberal death camps, it’s a good time to step back and consider the actual legacy of the Trump years. The administration this reminds me the most of is the Harding administration, not only in terms of how similar the two presidents are, but also in the corruption within his cabinet. Somehow that part of this administration has mostly slipped through the cracks of just all the other insanity. Anyone else remember multiple corruption and ethics investigations of various Trump cabinet members?
 
I realize this is a shitpost, but hell those bottom 3. Put in perspective that Hillary should be in jail 20-40 years for her email scandal, Obama for his involvement in bengazi, Hunter for his pedophillia, etc. etc the list goes on and on. The only person who tried getting the ball rolling for justice is the only one that ends up in jail. Par of the course for clown world if that happens to be honest.
I wouldn't be too sure about that. When it comes to Hillary and Obama their court cases would be a large joint venture of the supreme court and possibly the house.

Trump is facing lawsuits from a wide variety of people, but none of them as devoted as the Attorney General and mayor of New York, and the District Attorney of Manhattan. Trump and Bill De Blasio have been at each other's throats since before Trump took the presidency.
De Blasio was after his tax returns for quite some time, and now they will finally get to have a field day with them without any repercussions from the White House.
On top of that, New York again, is bringing Micheal Cohen back to court so he can testify his claims about paying hush money to Stormy Daniels and the mishandling of money from the Trump Organization. Considering the Trump Organization has already been legally dismantled, they will most likely follow up heavily on this case.
Micheal Cohen also talked about how Trump managed to accumulate money by way of inflating and deflating the values of his real estate assets. And after that leak of Trump's tax returns everyone got to see that Trump has dodged taxes for quite some time; which gives them the authority to come down on his assets with the express purpose of figuring out whether he committed tax fraud and bank fraud. And this is a case that the New York Attorney General is pursuing actively.
The Attorney General of D.C. filed a case against Trump, alleging that he used his inaugural committee to spend over $1mil at the Trump International Hotel in D.C. in nonprofit funds in order to enrich the Trump Organization. This suit will likely cross over with the New York Attorney General's suit.
Mary Trump, Trump's niece, is filing a countersuit to Trump trying to sue her into not releasing her book about him and the rest of the Trump family, but on top of that she claimed to have filed a separate suit against Trump over inheritance due to her from Trump's dad, Fred Trump.
On top of that there are 24 outstanding lawsuits from women claiming to be sexually harrassed by Trump.

And then to top it off, Trump has $300mil in debt that matures into forced payment over the next four years.
This is also not counting the 11 instances of obstruction of justice that came about from the Mueller report. However, if any of the lawsuits are to be compared to Hillary or Obama's, these are the ones that will most likely be memory-holed.
Also, a good amount of these lawsuits are outside of federal courts where a presidential pardon will do nothing to protect him.

If Trump doesn't go to prison, at the very least he's going to be losing an immense amount of money over the next four years.
 
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Yeah, cut it off right before I explicitly said he wasn't championing the working class.
I was poking fun at you, not making a serious attempt to rebut what you'd said.
Typical leftists incapable of argument, falling back to pedantry and insults. Over and over and over again.
reeeee
 
I wouldn't be too sure about that. When it comes to Hillary and Obama their court cases would be a large joint venture of the supreme court and possibly the house.

Trump is facing lawsuits from a wide variety of people, but none of them as devoted as the attorney general and mayor of New York, as the district attorney of Manhattan. Trump and Bill De Blasio have been at each other's throats since before Trump took the presidency.
De Blasio was after his tax returns for quite some time, and now they will finally get to have a field day with them without any repercussions from the White House.
On top of that, New York again, is bringing Micheal Cohen back to court so he can testify his claims about paying hush money to Stormy Daniels and the mishandling of money from the Trump Organization. Considering the Trump Organization has already been legally dismantled, they will most likely follow up heavily on this case.
Micheal Cohen also talked about how Trump managed to accumulate money by way of inflating and deflating the values of his real estate assets. And after that leak of Trump's tax returns everyone got to see that Trump has dodged taxes for quite some time; which gives them the authority to come down on his assets with the express purpose of figuring out whether he committed tax fraud and bank fraud. And this is a case that the New York attorney general is pursuing actively.
The attorney general of DC filed a case against Trump, alleging that he used his inaugural committee to spend over $1mil at the Trump International Hotel in DC in nonprofit funds in order to enrich the Trump Organization. This suit will likely cross over with the New York AG's suit.
Mary Trump, Trump's niece is filing a countersuit to Trump trying to sue her into not releasing her book, but on top of that she claimed to have filed a separate suit against Trump over inheritance due to her from Trump's dad, Fred Trump.
On top of that there are 24 outstanding lawsuits from women claiming to be sexually harrassed by Trump

And then to top it off, Trump has $300mil in debt that matures into forced payment over the next four years.
This is also not counting the 11 instances of obstruction of justice that came about from the Mueller report. However, if any of the lawsuits are to be compared to Hillary or Obama, these are the ones that will most likely be memoryholed.
Also, a shitload of these lawsuits are outside of federal courts where a presidential pardon will do nothing to protect him.

If Trump doesn't go to prison, at the very least he's going to be losing a metric ton of money over the next four years.
will just keep restructuring the debt
 
will just keep restructuring the debt
Well, that's what I thought too; but considering how often he's already done that and if the courts find any evidence of bank or tax fraud, which is pretty likely because in his tax return leaks we saw that Trump valued his Seven Springs estate at $291mil in 2012, but in a later filing Trump said that it wasn't valued at any more than $50mil after getting a $21mil tax break on said property.
This heavily implies that he may have inflated his assets, which would have been the method that got him to qualify for Forbes' "Richest Men" list. A status which he used to take out multiple multimillion dollar loans from Deutsche Bank, which would constitute a massive case of bank fraud.
I don't think his bank would want to restructure his debt at that point, and instead seek to liquidate the assets he acquired while using the money that they loaned him.
 
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Man, if Trump manages to win presidency throug SCOTUS, then the George Floyd/BLM protests will actually look like peaceful compared to the protests this decision will generate.
There’d be actual fucking civil unrest on a scale not seen since the 60’s. The Floyd riots aren’t really truly riots. Barely anyone died.
Big difference is that most of the anti-Trump sentiment was heavily AstroTurfed by media talking heads and their financial backers. Most of the "rioters" were likely payed protesters. (In comparison, I think the pro-Trump sentiment was much more grassroots - even if someone entirely disagreed with it; for that matter, the popularity of the Nazi party during the 1930s-40s was likely much more grassroots as well).

Regardless, Trump has already served his purpose - he kicked off the boarder wall, and appointed 3 Supreme Court Justices (which is where it actually matters in the long run) - him "winning" the election at this point would be more of just a way to spite liberals/leftists than anything else.
 
Well now that I’m temporarily banned and/or permabanned from the primary thread which is about to get flooded once again by people fantasizing about the liberal death camps, it’s a good time to step back and consider the actual legacy of the Trump years. The administration this reminds me the most of is the Harding administration, not only in terms of how similar the two presidents are, but also in the corruption within his cabinet. Somehow that part of this administration has mostly slipped through the cracks of just all the other insanity. Anyone else remember multiple corruption and ethics investigations of various Trump cabinet members?
Biden could put all his cabinet appointments up on eBay to bestow on the highest bidder and they would probably be less corrupt, more competent and loyal than most of Trump’s appointments.

Trump’s appointees got fired or left so routinely and quickly it was almost impossible to keep track of all the grifters through the revolving door of his admin.
 
Well now that I’m temporarily banned and/or permabanned from the primary thread which is about to get flooded once again by people fantasizing about the liberal death camps, it’s a good time to step back and consider the actual legacy of the Trump years. The administration this reminds me the most of is the Harding administration, not only in terms of how similar the two presidents are, but also in the corruption within his cabinet. Somehow that part of this administration has mostly slipped through the cracks of just all the other insanity. Anyone else remember multiple corruption and ethics investigations of various Trump cabinet members?
Sometime when all the "noise" has died down and it's possible to get an objective perspective, I may try to track down a history of the scandals in the Trump administration.

Right now though, I don't buy heavily into generalizations like this, for reasons similar to all of the anti-intellectual hullabaloo surrounding the Iraq War, and the tendency to lay the blame solely on "Bush/Cheney" without regard for facts and history (such as both parties being in favor of it at the time due to the sentiments which 9/11 inspired in people).
 
Regardless, Trump has already served his purpose - he kicked off the boarder wall, and appointed 3 Supreme Court Justices (which is where it actually matters in the long run)
No, and yes.
The border wall was a boondoggle. It was proven ineffective over and over again, and the silent but final nail in the border wall's coffin was El Chapo explaining he never once ran into the wall because he used submarines to smuggle drugs into the US. On top of that we've already seen Mexicans and US citizens alike coming up and cutting chunks out of the wall effortlessly, and I hope we all remember watching the wall almost blowing over in heavy wind.
Not to mention how many lawsuits and zoning issues that thing had from the get-go with people living along the US-Mexico border as well as nature reserves.
There is a reason The Wall faded into obscurity, and it's because it is a genuinely, stupidly simple passive-solution to an active, complex problem.

I'm all for border protection from legitimate issues such as drug and human trafficking, but you're not going to stop that with a passive solution. If you have ever watched a border-patroller's grind, you will see that there are very little in the way of workers or patrolmen. They are massively underfunded and it's like one man for every 150 miles.
I'd also like to point out that this would be much less of an issue if we were to just have an expedited process for legalizing and educating immigrants. Impose mandatory naturalization crash courses of required learning and temporary job placement that would heavily focus on community service and low-level government work and get them into the system, and you would see a return on your investment almost immediately.

As for the supreme court justices, yeah. You are absolutely correct.
 

HARRISBURG, Pa. (AP) — A federal judge issued a scathing order Saturday dismissing the Trump campaign’s futile effort to block the certification of votes in Pennsylvania, shooting down claims of widespread irregularities with mail-in ballots.
The case was always a long shot to stop President-elect Joe Biden’s inauguration, but it was President Donald Trump’s best hope to affect the election results through the courts, mostly because of the number of electoral votes, 20, at stake in Pennsylvania. His personal attorney, Rudy Giuliani, stepped into a courtroom for the first time in decades to argue the case this past week.
U.S. District Court Judge Matthew Brann wrote in his order that Trump had asked the court to disenfranchise almost 7 million voters.
“One might expect that when seeking such a startling outcome, a plaintiff would come formidably armed with compelling legal arguments and factual proof of rampant corruption,” Brann wrote, so much that the court would have no option but to stop the certification even though it would impact so many people. “That has not happened.”

Even if he’d won the Pennsylvania case, Trump would have needed to win other lawsuits in other states where he’d also asked to delay certification. The campaign peppered battlegrounds states with litigation in the days after the election alleging widespread election fraud without proof, but the majority of those cases have already been dismissed.
The president has taken his effort to subvert the results of the 2020 election beyond the courtroom in recent days, straight to local lawmakers. Some Trump allies have expressed hope that state lawmakers could intervene in selecting Republican electors.
With that in mind Trump invited Michigan legislators to the White House on Friday, hoping that an Oval Office meeting would persuade them to set aside the popular vote favoring Biden by more than 154,000. But the lawmakers issued a statement after the meeting that they would follow the law and “normal process” on electors. Trump was said to be considering extending a similar invitation to lawmakers from Pennsylvania.
Time is running out for Trump and his campaign, as states certify their results one after another showing that Biden won the requisite 270 Electoral College votes to take office.
Brann ruled that Pennsylvania officials can certify election results that currently show Biden winning the state by more than 80,000 votes. He said the Trump campaign presented “strained legal arguments without merit and speculative accusations ... unsupported by evidence.”
“In the United States of America, this cannot justify the disenfranchisement of a single voter, let alone all the voters of its sixth most populated state,” the opinion said. “Our people, laws, and institutions demand more.”
Trump tweeted after the ruling that he couldn’t understand why Biden was forming a Cabinet when the president’s investigators had found “hundreds of thousands of fraudulent votes,” a baseless claim for which Trump has supplied no evidence.
Giuliani and a Trump campaign lawyer said in a statement that they welcomed the dismissal because it would allow them to appeal up to the U.S. Supreme Court faster, where Trump has repeatedly said he feels he has sympathetic justices. But, the justices heard a case from the state before the election, over a three-day extension on mail-in ballots, and allowed the extension over the objections of the GOP.
Sen. Pat Toomey, a Pennsylvania Republican who had a hand in placing Brann on the bench during the Obama administration, said the ruling showed Trump had exhausted all possible legal avenues in the state and went on to congratulate Biden on his victory. He called Brann “a longtime conservative Republican whom I know to be a fair and unbiased jurist.”
Giuliani, a former federal prosecutor and New York mayor, showed his rustiness during the hearing this week by tripping himself up over the meaning of “opacity,” mistaking the judge for a federal judge in a separate district and provoking an opposing lawyer.
Giuliani repeatedly contended in court that it was illegal for counties to help people vote. Opposing lawyer Mark Aronchick suggested Giuliani must not know the Pennsylvania election code.
The Trump-aligned attorneys had argued that the U.S. Constitution’s guarantee of equal protection under the law was violated when Pennsylvania counties took different approaches to notifying voters before the election about technical problems with their submitted mail-in ballots.
The judge dismissed the argument entirely.
Pennsylvania Secretary of State Kathy Boockvar and the seven Biden-majority counties that the campaign sued had argued throwing out the popular vote over isolated allegations of mail-in fraud was far too extreme, particularly after most of them have been tallied.
“There is no justification on any level for the radical disenfranchisement they seek,” Boockvar’s lawyers wrote in a brief filed Thursday.
Pennsylvania Attorney General Josh Shapiro, a Democrat, tweeted shortly after Brann’s ruling that “another one bites the dust.”
“These claims were meritless from the start and for an audience of one,” Shapiro said in a statement. “The will of the people will prevail. These baseless lawsuits need to end.”
Counties must certify their results to Boockvar by Monday, after which she will make her own certification. Democratic Gov. Tom Wolf will notify the winning candidate’s electors they should appear to vote in the Capitol on Dec. 14.
PA, Michigan and Georgia have certified now. It's game over.
 
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