Official Election 2020 Doomsday Thread

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Who wins on November 3rd? (Zeitgeist, not who you're voting for)

  • Expecting a Trump win.

    Votes: 978 45.7%
  • Expecting a Biden win.

    Votes: 277 12.9%
  • Expecting no clear winner on November 3rd.

    Votes: 885 41.4%

  • Total voters
    2,140
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A second Georgia county found another 2,755 missing votes that were favorable to Trump.

Hope they checked between the couch cushions for anymore votes that accidently got lost.

Seriously, this is embarrassing. Ballot boxes, memory cards, all that shit was numbered and inventory when i worked at a polling place. How was it not accounted for until now?

In before "it's only 800 Votes for Trump, still not enough to cover the gap! He lost, get over it!"
 

A second Georgia county found another 2,755 missing votes that were favorable to Trump.

Hope they checked between the couch cushions for anymore votes that accidently got lost.

Seriously, this is embarrassing. Ballot boxes, memory cards, all that shit was numbered and inventory when i worked at a polling place. How was it not accounted for until now?

In before "it's only 800 Votes for Trump, still not enough to cover the gap! He lost, get over it!"
Trump - 1,577
Biden - 1,128
And this is happening in a Solid Republican County btw, unbelievable.
 
I don't want to click tje link, do you have an archive? I'm curious of who these "sources" are.
As President Donald Trump’s legal efforts challenging the election results continue to hit dead ends, his campaign and legal teams have descended into chaos behind the scenes as many brace for the end of the post-election fight, multiple sources tell ABC News.

Since launching a long-shot effort to overturn the election results through baseless claims of voter fraud, President Trump has suffered a dizzying barrage of court losses and setbacks around the country, leading him late last week to install Rudy Giuliani, his personal lawyer, to lead the legal efforts going forward.

But Giuliani’s ascent has led to an explosion of infighting and disillusionment among the president’s longstanding legal team and top campaign officials, resulting in dueling factions emerging from inside the president’s dwindling campaign, multiple sources tell ABC News.




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Over the weekend, Giuliani and his own team of lawyers, which also includes Trump campaign legal adviser Jenna Ellis, attempted what was described to ABC News as an internal campaign "coup"— an attempt to wrestle power away from the current longstanding Trump campaign leadership by claiming the president had given them full control moving forward, multiple sources said.

Giuliani’s team has taken over office space in the Trump campaign’s Arlington, Virginia, headquarters and Ellis, whom White House aides have previously expressed concern over, began telling Trump campaign staffers they now report to her.


Ellis told the remaining campaign staff that they should only follow orders from people named "Rudy or Jenna" and to ignore any other directives from campaign leadership, sources familiar with the episode said.

The directive sparked outrage from senior campaign aides including Trump campaign manager Bill Stepien and senior adviser Jason Miller, sources said.

The attempted power grab hit a boiling point on Saturday when Miller, who’s been the campaign's chief strategist for months, and Ellis got into what sources said was a "screaming match" in front of other staffers. They both threatened to call the president to settle who he wanted to be in charge, sources said. At one point, Miller berated Ellis and called her “crazy,” multiple sources said.


Advisers fear that Giuliani and Ellis' heightened influence over Trump will continue to result in the president giving in to his worst impulses, sources said.

"To the dismay of the fake news, there’s no division here. I have full confidence in Jenna’s abilities as a lawyer and as an effective communicator on behalf of the President, and I look forward to working with her to help deliver the win for President Trump," Miller said in a statement to ABC News.

"This is yet another fake news distraction from the real story of election fraud," Ellis said in a statement. "ABC refuses to give our legal or communications team air time to talk about our litigation, but they’ll run with anonymous gossip alleging people are calling me names and trying to undermine our team. That should tell you everything you need to know about the media’s priorities."

The chaos inside the campaign parallels the president’s ongoing efforts in court, which have been met with increasingly frustrated judges around the country.

"At what point does this get ridiculous?" said one exasperated judge, an appointee of President Barack Obama, before ruling against the Republicans in Nevada.

Many on the president’s team continue to view their ongoing legal efforts as meritless and destined to fail. But they are now eyeing this week’s potential ruling in Pennsylvania as Trump’s last gasp at a prolonged legal fight, sources said.

And on the eve of a major court hearing in Pennsylvania, multiple lawyers representing the Trump campaign asked to withdraw from a lawsuit that advisers believe will make or break their future efforts, leading Giuliani to file papers to appear on behalf of the Trump campaign in court on Tuesday.

To lazy to get an archive. Also multiple sources
 
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Maybe. Quick question, though - do you have a job or regularly interact with people making less than say $75,000/year? Because I guarantee you the working poor and lower middle class don't give a shit about Trump being besties with the king of the Saudis.

I am sure that some working poor and lower middle class might not care that Trump is besties with Islamic leaders such as that one who had his opponent dismembered and with Putin but many might have cared and might have been put off from voting for Trump. Imho many just thought there is nobody to vote for, we are screwed whoever wins.

The job of the President of the United States of America is to interact with foreign nations. He can maintain a cordial relationship with someone one day and order an assault on their borders the next. Until it is time to actually send in the troops, keeping a professional relationship at the very least is important. There is a reason Putin laughed off attempts to bait Trump into condemning him. He knowns that avoiding war is more important than some cheap Twitter moment.

Never forget that the job of the President is to deal with monsters on a daily basis.
 
a conspiracy that would involve tens of thousands of people either participating or looking the other way
Mail-in votes and particularly electronic voting machines bring it to hundreds, maybe less than one hundred. I’m not a computer expert but I’d speculate that you could a last-minute code insert to fuck with the machines with less than 20 people (including analysts to make the fraud not too conspicuous, etc.).

It's so simple yet so effective, after all how can you describe something if you simply don't have the words for it.
Now that’s Orwellian.
 
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If you have followed Russian elections without getting to involved in any side over there since about 1996 you can see the playbook being run here. The media screeching is the same, the same reports of blatant vote manipulation whether through paper ballots or voting machines is the same
Oh, come on.
1) First of all, we don't have voting machines at all - everything is counted manually (well, up until recent local elections).
2) State media and the government usually doesn't report any claims about voting fraud, and doesn't publicly discuss them - even in antagonizing manner. They outright ignore them and let bot farms and "off-grid" propagandists handle the rest.
3) Combining p.2 and p.3 - fraud is usually committed completely in the open. If there are observers in a voting poll where fraud is committed, then we're lucky to see videos of ballots massively being brought in/out; it will not be reported by the state media, nothing will be done by courts/prosecutors/police.
4) I've been an observer in 2012 and yeah, Putin would win even without the election fraud. "High score" is a propaganda tool by itself, though, so they keep on doing it.

TL;DR the situation in US is different from one in Russia.

Honestly, I don't know what I should think about American elections, so I just watch it as a reality show, as we don't have anything like it here. Call it electional cuckoldry, if you will :gunt:
 
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Mail-in votes and particularly electronic voting machines bring it to hundreds, maybe less than one hundred. I’m not a computer expert but I’d speculate that you could a last-minute code insert to fuck with the machines with less than 20 people (including analysts to make the fraud not too conspicuous, etc.).


Now that’s Orwellian.
Trump's own DHS has stated that the Dominion theory is bullshit. Every state that is at issue right now has paper ballots as backups and auditing machines is done every election.

Though I gotta say, very responsible of Dems to only do only enough fraud to get them the presidency but not enough to give them a senate majority or expand their numbers in the house.
 
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Deadlock in Wayne County! -
On Tuesday, the two Republican members of the Wayne County Board of Canvassers voted against certifying the county's November election results for the county's 43 jurisdictions, including Detroit, Michigan's largest voting jurisdiction.

Monica Palmer, the Republican chair of the committee said: "I believe that we do not have complete and accurate information on those poll books," referring to jurisdictions that recorded unexplained discrepancies between the number of absentee ballots recorded as cast and the number of absentee ballots counted. Jonathan Kinloch, the Democratic vice chair of the board, said: "Most of this is human error. ... It's not based on fraud." All four members of the board unanimously supported the certification of the August primary election, which also saw unexplained discrepancies.

Kinloch accused the Republican members of playing politics rather than fulfilling their legal obligation to certify the results. "I believe politics made its presence today," Kinloch said. "This is reckless and irresponsible action by this board," he added. Democratic board member Allen Wilson agreed. "I'm actually appalled to be sitting here today," he said.
Just minutes after the Republican members -- the board is comprised of 4 members, two Democrats and two Republicans -- voted against certifying the results, the Michigan Republican Party released a statement from Laura Cox who chairs the state party.

"I am proud that, due to the efforts of the Michigan Republican Party, the Republican National Committee and the Trump Campaign, enough evidence of irregularities and potential voter fraud was uncovered resulting in the Wayne County Board of Canvassers refusing to certify their election results," Cox said. Her comment did not indicate that it was only the two GOP members of the board who refused, not the entire board of canvassers. Tuesday was the final day the board could certify the county's election results. Having failed its responsibility to certify the results, the board is now required to immediately deliver to the secretary of the Board of State Canvassers all election records so the state board can certify the results. Under state law, the board must certify the results within 10 days of receiving the records from the board of canvassers. Legal challenges mounted in the wake of the election and brought increased attention to the audit and certification of the results undertaken by each county's board of canvassers, a process that typically unfolds relatively unnoticed. The Zoom call for the board of canvassers' meeting was initially limited to 100 participants, but was later expanded to accommodate more than 300 participants. The meeting was called to order at 4:46 p.m. almost two hours late as members waited on affidavits filed by individuals present at TCF Center, where Detroit's election workers processed and counted the absentee ballots cast by the city's voters.
A request made to the Michigan Supreme Court Tuesday morning asking the court to stop the Wayne County Board of Canvassers from certifying the election results before its scheduled 3 p.m. meeting also created last-minute uncertainty. The court did not grant leave to appeal before the members of the board met.

Concerns that the two Republican members of the board of canvassers would not vote to certify the results were realized.

Protestors with the Metro Detroit Action Council, a local community organization that focuses on economic and racial injustices, gathered outside the building where the board of canvassers met, demanding the board certify the election results.

Lonnie Scott, executive director of Progress Michigan, a progressive advocacy organization, also called on the Republican members of the board to certify the election earlier Tuesday.

"No canvassing board has ever refused to certify an election. Refusal to certify the results is just a partisan attempt to stretch out the process, feed Trump’s lies about our elections, and set up a right-wing power grab that ignores the will of the people," Scott said in a press release.
Wayne County’s unofficial election results, which were posted Nov. 5, showed Biden received 587,074 votes — 67.99% of the votes cast for president in Wayne County — while President Donald Trump received 30.59% — 264,149 — of the votes cast for president in the county.

Trump has refused to concede the presidential contest to Biden, making unsubstantiated claims that the election was rife with widespread fraud. Trump's campaign and Republican challengers have filed lawsuits across the country to contest the election.
Six Michigan lawsuits seeking to delay or stop the certification of the state's 16 electoral votes for Democratic president-elect Joe Biden have focused on the three days Detroit's election workers processed and counted the absentee ballots cast by the city's voters at TCF Center. Lawsuits filed in the wake of the election have leveled allegations that thousands of invalid ballots were counted by Detroit election workers.

The lawsuits are based largely on Republican challengers' allegations that Detroit election workers counted ballots cast by ineligible voters, as well as ballots that arrived past the return deadline. Republican challengers also have claimed that they were singled out by election workers from reentering the counting hub when the room had reached capacity, though officials noted that challengers from all parties were prohibited from reentering because of capacity limits. The claims have so far been rejected in court.

Two of the lawsuits were dismissed by Wayne County Circuit Court Chief Judge Timothy Kenny. On Friday, Kenny dismissed a lawsuit filed by David Kallman on behalf of two Wayne County voters, writing in his opinion that the lawsuit presented an incorrect account of the events that took place at TCF. On Monday, Kallman asked the Michigan Court of Appeals to reverse the lower court's ruling. After a three-judge panel denied the request, Kallman asked the Michigan Supreme Court Tuesday morning to act immediately to stop the Wayne County Board of Canvassers from certifying the election results and order a separate audit of the election.

Republican members of board cite unexplained discrepancies​

While auditing the August primary election results, the Wayne County Board of Canvassers found that in 363 of the city's 503 precincts — roughly 72% of Detroit's precincts — there was no explanation for small discrepancies between the number of absentee ballots recorded in the precinct's poll book as cast and the number of absentee ballots counted. This election, 94 of the city's 134 absent voter counting boards — roughly 70% of Detroit's absent voter counting boards — recorded unexplained discrepancies. But Detroit was not the only jurisdiction that reported unexplained discrepancies this election.

Under Michigan election law, a precinct that is not in “balance” is disqualified from participating in a recount, and the election results originally reported by the precinct stand as final.

Shortly after certifying the county's primary results, Kinloch told the Free Press that the board “saw no evidence of individuals voting who were not supposed to.” Instead, election officials pointed to voter records that were not consistently updated to reflect whether a voter had returned an absentee ballot, as well as ballots that were placed in the wrong precinct container as explanations for the discrepancies.

Speaking after the primary, Palmer told the Free Press that repeating the mistakes in November would spell disaster. “We cannot go into November repeating what happened in the primary. It absolutely cannot happen," she said.

On Aug. 18, the board passed a resolution asking the State Department of Elections to investigate Detroit's training for election workers staffing the absent voter counting boards tasked with processing and counting the absentee ballots cast by the city's voters. The resolution also called on Michigan Secretary of State Jocelyn Benson to appoint a monitor to supervise the city's election worker training and absent voter counting boards.
In early September, Benson announced she was partnering with Detroit City Clerk Janice Winfrey to ensure the integrity of the city’s absentee ballot tabulation. Former Michigan Bureau of Elections Director Chris Thomas was brought into the partnership to serve as a special advisor to Winfrey.

Palmer and Hartmann were not pleased with the result. During a back-and-forth between Palmer and Kinloch during the meeting, Kinloch told Palmer that pointing to the discrepancies in Detroit's August primary and noting similar mistakes were made in November, was "comparing apples and oranges" since the November election saw an unprecedented number of absentee ballots cast.

What happens next?​

Certifying Wayne County's election results now falls to the Board of State Canvassers. The board has until Nov. 23 to certify Michigan’s statewide election results. Recount petitions for the presidential, Senate, U.S. House and State House seats must be filed with the Secretary of State within 48 hours after the board has certified the statewide results.

A change to Michigan’s recount process made after the 2016 presidential election requires candidates to prove they have a reasonable chance to win in order to initiate a recount. Biden won Michigan by a wide margin — more than 146,000 votes — the state's unofficial results show. Legal experts said they expect the State Board of Canvassers will meet the deadline for certifying the results of the presidential contest, despite pending lawsuits seeking to delay the process.

If legal disputes regarding the election are resolved by Dec. 8, the certified statewide results are free from any further legal challenge and Congress must accept them as final. Michigan's 16 presidential electors are scheduled to convene Dec. 14 to cast the state's Electoral College votes.
EDIT: from the State Secretary:
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