I follow this tiktoker who makes personal toiletries products, like body washes, lotions, and deodorants. She had to change her feminine wash to be called a personal wash and changed the color from pink to green. She claims she did it simply to be considerate of the range of people who use her products, but we all know it was probably moids or troons complaining about it, asking if they could use the "feminine wash" for their balls. Likely just men making everything about them, as always.
Why is it always like this... The MEN ONLY space is for learning a trade, or going to school, or networking for business and NO WIMMINS ALLOWED.
The fuck are these faggots doing in a woodshop that betty builder can't join???
It's not the fight for the men's bathroom, changing room or rape shelter. It's not fighting for men to only handle male patients or urological problems or defining men... it's always this petty ass Boyz Craftz Clubz crap that's being called out as if this woman is a villain.
And of course all the faggots on twitter just eat up that rage bait slop. As if one woman wanting to join a woodworker's club is THE END OF WESTURN SOCIETEE. and somehow equal to all the abuse that trannies and men have heaped on women these last 20 years.
Close, newly pregnant friend of mine is on the verge of a mental breakdown because life is throwing her a lot of obstacles and curveballs atm that will make dealing with a newborn more difficult than it already is. Two of those issues are flaring health issues and much longer work hours. She arrives home late from the office and is often so exhausted she goes to bed without eating. Throughout this all her husband says kind things to her but cannot even be assed to clean up after himself or take on additional household chores. He works less hours than her and isn't incubating another human and he can't put the dishes away after he cleans them.
They are both young and this is their first kid. I fear it will get worse.
The number of women globally who have committed violent crimes is very small. Women are far more likely to be victims than perpetrators. However, when women have been convicted of murder or manslaughter, in a significant number of cases the victim is a male partner or male family member and there is a history of domestic violence.
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Women also get harsher sentences for crimes that are considered masculine like killing an intimate partner or murder
The average prison sentence for men who kill their female partners is two to six years. By contrast women, who kill their partners are sentenced on average to 15 years.
To be fair that statistic is from 1989 so it's dated. Not sure if any newer statistic for that specific gap in sentencing exists.
It remains true that most women who kill their partners cite self-defense as a motive. In fact, 70-80%of incarcerated women report intimate partner violence.
Women tend to be more punitive than men when it comes to certain kinds of
antisocial norm violations, namely men-on-women violence and crimes against
children.
Why is it always like this... The MEN ONLY space is for learning a trade, or going to school, or networking for business and NO WIMMINS ALLOWED.
The fuck are these faggots doing in a woodshop that betty builder can't join???
It's not the fight for the men's bathroom, changing room or rape shelter. It's not fighting for men to only handle male patients or urological problems or defining men... it's always this petty ass Boyz Craftz Clubz crap that's being called out as if this woman is a villain.
And of course all the faggots on twitter just eat up that rage bait slop. As if one woman wanting to join a woodworker's club is THE END OF WESTURN SOCIETEE. and somehow equal to all the abuse that trannies and men have heaped on women these last 20 years.
Did she make that rocking horse? It’s lovely, she clearly has skills and interest, why not let her join? If a man joins a woman's knitting group they fawn all over him telling him how wonderful it is to have a male knitter. It’s funny, I have a feeling local “men’s shed” groups wouldn’t care on the whole, just Twitter idiots who don’t bother interacting with their communities.
Apologies and please rate me late if this has been posted before, but Medusone’s video about Max Landis is one of my favorite videos. It’s a bit long, but she does a great job explaining a lot of the ways he’s systematically abused women. He’s even admitted to it, kinda, but in the most manipulative way. Because of course it can never be the poor wittle man’s fault, right?
The Video: Max Landis Sucks
It remains true that most women who kill their partners cite self-defense as a motive. In fact, 70-80%of incarcerated women report intimate partner violence.
He however, is just another man, and the system understands that he is a violent ape that needs second chance after second chance because violence and sexual violence is their nature and therefore acting out is only a mistake, one that cannot truly be judged, especially by their fellow men. The system will not rehabilitate or even protect women from these violent men, and so punishes them severely for using the only force they have, which is lethal. They are not winning a fight against a male. They are not keeping him out of their home without a weapon that they intend to use. But a man beats a woman to death and he’s simply a man, not in control, not responsible.
He however, is just another man, and the system understands that he is a violent ape that needs second chance after second chance because violence and sexual violence is their nature and therefore acting out is only a mistake, one that cannot truly be judged, especially by their fellow men. The system will not rehabilitate or even protect women from these violent men, and so punishes them severely for using the only force they have, which is lethal. They are not winning a fight against a male. They are not keeping him out of their home without a weapon that they intend to use. But a man beats a woman to death and he’s simply a man, not in control, not responsible.
Every time I read about a case of a woman killing her partner, it seems to follow the same pattern of the courts parsing her trying to leave her abuser as "premeditated murder". Not a surprise; our courts are bad at identifying and dealing with abusive husbands. Regarding sentencing: while I don't have the links, I read somewhere that the US's justice system parses most female murders (particularly those killing intimate partners) as "premeditated", which raises the maximum sentence. (Many male murders are "crimes of passion" with lower sentences, and I will spare you my rant about why that distinction is unreasonable, enables men who act like animals, and is unlikely to be "accurate" to its connotation anyway.)
Not leaving your abuser on a timeline that ~the jury of your peers~ considers reasonable --> "if she stayed that long, it couldn't have been that bad" and similar, with a dash of "was she waiting for an opportunity to do something like this?"
Planning your escape from a violent man --> "making a plan that might involve his death if it comes down to it"
Carrying a weapon because that's the only chance you have to live if he catches you --> "oh so she planned to attack him with a weapon"
Concealing the weapon because he will kill you if he knows you have it --> "she hid it so he couldn't defend himself"
Using the weapon in self-defense --> "she should've just found a way to fight without using the weapon" (as if there's a way a woman can do that without a high chance of death)
In the news article comments and social media posts related to these events, the men killed by their partners rarely have their motives and intentions scrutinized to this level, except by people that specifically have backgrounds surviving DV, people who work with shelters/victims, or people who tend to espouse pro-woman beliefs.
In the event that it does get established (optimistic!) that he was violent and her life was in danger and it wasn't "mutual", it seems to come down to "you should've given him more time and opportunity to kill you instead of hurting him in any way."
Why is it always like this... The MEN ONLY space is for learning a trade, or going to school, or networking for business and NO WIMMINS ALLOWED.
The fuck are these faggots doing in a woodshop that betty builder can't join???
It's not the fight for the men's bathroom, changing room or rape shelter. It's not fighting for men to only handle male patients or urological problems or defining men... it's always this petty ass Boyz Craftz Clubz crap that's being called out as if this woman is a villain.
And of course all the faggots on twitter just eat up that rage bait slop. As if one woman wanting to join a woodworker's club is THE END OF WESTURN SOCIETEE. and somehow equal to all the abuse that trannies and men have heaped on women these last 20 years.
Tbh that horse looks much more advanced than most of decorative or toy woodwork you can see in the wild. One of the reasons they did not want her in, could be that their own work looks more like Homer Simpson's Le Grille in comparison and the best they can do is a misshapen crude big titty lady sculpted from a tree trunk with a chainsaw and largest chisel available.
Virginia Giuffre, Epstein's main accuser and the woman who uncovered that entire ring of evil, has died. Her death has been officially confirmed, vs the rumors she was hit by a bus.
She was only 41.
Why is it always like this... The MEN ONLY space is for learning a trade, or going to school, or networking for business and NO WIMMINS ALLOWED.
The fuck are these faggots doing in a woodshop that betty builder can't join???
It's not the fight for the men's bathroom, changing room or rape shelter. It's not fighting for men to only handle male patients or urological problems or defining men... it's always this petty ass Boyz Craftz Clubz crap that's being called out as if this woman is a villain.
And of course all the faggots on twitter just eat up that rage bait slop. As if one woman wanting to join a woodworker's club is THE END OF WESTURN SOCIETEE. and somehow equal to all the abuse that trannies and men have heaped on women these last 20 years.
That's it. Exactly. "Boys' clubs" (or the weak current-day imitator, "men's spaces") want to be men-only for things that everyone can like/ want, or objectively and materially need/ can benefit from, and can equally contribute to, whereas "women's spaces" are almost exclusively
focused on matters specific to women, or
where there's a need for a women's only place because men make being in a coed space inhospitable, unpleasant, or even a hostile endurance contest - in ways they do not seek to make alienating to men.
There is not an equal "need" for women-only and men-only "spaces."
Virginia Giuffre, Epstein's main accuser and the woman who uncovered that entire ring of evil, has died. Her death has been officially confirmed, vs the rumors she was hit by a bus. View attachment 7280137
She was only 41.
A car crash with a devastating physical impact, followed by a suicide. I can't shake off the feeling that something's not right, but I hope she attained peace. Terrible news overall.
Men won't even let you have women-only spaces anymore without forcing you to let them in but god forbid you even look in the general direction of their boy clubs
That's it. Exactly. "Boys' clubs" (or the weak current-day imitator, "men's spaces") want to be men-only for things that everyone can like/ want, or objectively and materially need/ can benefit from, and can equally contribute to, whereas "women's spaces" are almost exclusively
You can take it farther - "men's spaces" are nearly always general non gender specific hobby spaces for gaming, handiwork, bog standard shit... and then these faggots turn around and cry that "TFW No GF" Like, faggot, you laughed like a maniac when you harassed all the "foids" out of your "gaymur mayun onlee space" and then you cry that you can't meet wimmins??
Weirdly, I got manned in a video game voice chat. No idea how or why except possibly because there were some people of gender in there who assumed I was one of them, but somehow people thought I was a man or perhaps a pooner. Overall, bizarre "WE ARE NOT THE SAME" experience.
This is a post I wrote for another thread but decided not to post in there so as to avoid derailing that thread, I'm going to post it here because I'm not sure where else to put it. It's just a general introduction to the topic, probably not useful for anyone already posting in this thread but maybe y'all will find the phrasing helpful for peaking people softly:
another user said:
Edit: oh shit just saw your post about not derailing the thread. Oopsie sorry. I've got it out of my system but if you want to talk more I don't mind taking it to dms.
You're fine, we can have this conversation anywhere. I'll just spoiler my reply here in case anybody is willing to read it, hopefully it'll explain our position in a more digestible way and reduce tensions a bit:
other user said:
And that's why I can't blame anyone for feeling the way they do, women especially. I'm not happy that women assume that men are so unilaterally dangerous and perverted, but it's not like I can't see why they feel that way. How can a woman open up to a man when 5% of men are violent perverts? 5% chance doesn't feel like much of a chance until your life is on the line, and then you realize that if there's even a small chance that being comfortable or friendly to another person could result in anything from harassment to being killed, it'd be stupid to ever take the chance.
This is more or less what I was going to reply with anyway, although I think it's much much higher than 5%. Even 10% is being optimistic.
other user said:
But does that mean I think this is the best state of affairs the social relations between the sexes could be? Is it a good thing that women either have to segregate (which troons dont allow) or just lay low? Very much no. Shit like this is why society needs standards and judgement. If men or women had any way of holding other men accountable for spoiling the ability for essentially two entire halves of society to get along, we wouldn't have this problem. But social media and pornography have resulted in an entire culture piloted sheerly by the perversions of a small portion of the population. Simps, trannies, and digital prostitution. And then children are exposed to it all, cresting more simps, trannies, and digital prostitutes. It's all so tiresome.
This is the part I disagree with, I think the issue is pretty one-sided. Women's standards are genuinely low as dirt, it's just that men are so used to not being disciplined or even doing chores, and are so incredibly violent especially when they know it's against someone who can't fight back, that things are getting much worse, especially since women aren't required to get married to abusive psychos anymore and can now support ourselves. Seeing as the problem is committed by men I don't see any way for women to fix this ourselves aside from putting more and more pressure on men (and those women who are complacent in letting men get away with this) to police male behavior.
Troons are an unfortunate but extremely effective demonstration of the issues with male behavior (when you see the term "socialization" that refers to how someone is raised and allowed to act) because they just do all of shit we have a problem with men doing, but everyone is required to pretend they're women.
The forced language does an amazing job at demonstrating male behavior because everyone can tell a man from a woman with only a description of their behavior or how they talk even if said description is pretending he's a woman.
None of their behavior is really restricted to troons, the parts everyone notices are just regular male behavior without the grammatical coding indicating male (i.e. the grammatical coding usually associated with such behavior). You can see all of it bright as day on this forum, down to the childish and obsessive need to have everything catered to them, to have every possible thing set up for women forced to allow them to take it over.
Even their weird sexual behavior is pretty standard these days. The rampant sexualization of children is socially normalized, and the only reason it's so apparent to everyone in troons is because now that expectation and sexualization isn't just in how men portray and sexualize women, it's in how they portray and sexualize themselves.
I've heard it said that "you know trans women are men because if they were real women nobody would listen to them" and it's one of the most accurate assessments I've ever heard. Take one look at TIFs and you'll see that there is absolutely fuck all institutional backing behind it. TIMs on the other hand have had their every whim enshrined in law. The only difference between the two are that TIMs are male, and this is the difference in treatment despite even how violent they are.
As usual, women (most often the specific individual women who are screwed over and violently victimized by them) are the ones who are constantly blamed for these men's behavior, and the men who change the laws of our country and rewrite academia to allow them to do this are ignored because male is the default (if you need any other demonstration of this then look at medicine and even just seatbelt design) so why would anyone notice the men doing this? They only notice the (comparatively fewer) women who enable it because being women marks them out for their behavior to be noticed.
Keep in mind how small of a population troons are. On the other hand, we've been warning people about the tranny issue since the 1970s and nobody listened. Even to this day the women who warned everyone about this are paid absolutely no heed, they're ignored and their warnings have been written out of the conversation.
I've seen this 'what women and men find attractive' debacle unfold between two different topics under that issue, and the utter hypocrisy from moids on that subject is very palpable.
I'll start with the women's side first: plastic surgery. Everyone that doesn't have incredibly severe body dysmorphia agrees that the pillow face look is not appealing at all. BBL's look like permanent full diapers, most breast implants look fake, you know it all. However, moids, in their naturally arrogant ways of thinking, assume that all women get these procedures (or just put on makeup and flattering outfits) only to impress them. That's why their first reaction to seeing these dysphoric women is "Uhhhh me don't find this sexy." Also, they don't believe us when we say that we mostly want to look good to impress ourselves, which, fine, go be like that and mald about the downfall of Western women, or something. I don't disagree that there is plenty of women that do want to impress men at least once in a while, but they have this grandiose complexed mindset about it that makes them think we just revolve our entire lives around them, which is just retarded and makes my eyes roll. We don't think about men when we get ready for work, a casual outing, or when we look in the mirror. We simply just don't, nor do we have to. We know men hate plastic surgery even doe they get mad when boobs not big but a lot of women choose to get them anyway, just like we put in makeup looks most men wouldn't like, or put on clothes most men wouldn't like. It's 95% of the time self expression and not wanting to feel sad when looking at yourself.
Now, let's talk about men. Question, ripped, jacked muscles with zero body fat or muscly dad bod? This topic arose in the manosphere recently where most women prefer the lowkey muscly male body over the jacked, full cut, gigachad type. However, most men prefer the latter. Most moids are visual specimens, so overblown proportions makes their mouth water. When asked if they're roiding themselves up to attract women, they respond in a familiar tone, "Uhhhh me do it for Iself". Which if that's the case, fine, they can go do what they want. However, isn't it so interesting how there's a complete double standard here? When men do it, it's purely for self improvement, but when women do it, we're just trying to impress men. A very grandiose way of thinking, natural for the moid.
I compared these two Akkad videos (I know shut up) about these different discussions:
I don't have much to say about the video itself other than what I said in the first big paragraph. Here's the overall sentiment from his moid audience:
You can bother to read more if you want. These and other sentiments are very ironic when I get to the next video.
"Women like the before more than after because women like most of the attention on them and the before is more reflective of that." This is a gross over-analyzation. While this may be true for some women, most of us prefer muscle to be more lowkey or "compact" because of the same reason men would like minimalist beauty: it looks more natural and healthy. Roided up nofat bodies look freaky and alien, especially if they're so cut that veins are bulging to the point where one papercut could kill them. It generally looks painful too, as muscles aren't supposed to be so puffy and swollen. In nature, the body is supposed to be put through a constant state of labor where muscle develops to be compact and effective for faster oxygen distribution through blood flow. However, in the gym rat build, muscles are swollen because the body is quickly trying to remedy the rapidly increased labor usage, while still not yet having a solution for the oxygen thing. This is why a lot of "farm muscle" guys bench even better than gym rats. And therefor, why women naturally prefer lowkey muscle. Men can't wrap their heads around why we couldn't possibly like what they like, so they're butt mad. Here's the overall sentiment in that video:
In conclusion to this post being way longer than it should, men are bitter hypocrites and the earth is round. One last thing to note, women don't have to care about what men think, as there will unfortunately always be a man wanting to fuck us, no matter what, because they aren't picky no matter how much they try to say that they are. Men, on the other hand, have to care about what women think to get laid, as women are picky, so perhaps they should listen to our opinions unless they want to simply and quietly exit the gene pool without any contributions to it.
I've seen this 'what women and men find attractive' debacle unfold between two different topics under that issue, and the utter hypocrisy from moids on that subject is very palpable.
There's probably a female version of the normal looking women surrounded by hobbies (for women) vs the plastic porn star AI anime face for men.
Men pretend they don't like plastic heavy makeup women, then they go on making countless filtered AI anime faces of "ideal women" that can never exist in reality. I mean if they didn't then why do they cry like faggots when normal looking women are put in their vidya, movies, and comic books? They lie to make themselves look better, but they go home every night and jerk off to AI anime shit until they cut their dicks off.
Men pretend they don't like plastic heavy makeup women, then they go on making countless filtered AI anime faces of "ideal women" that can never exist in reality. I mean if they didn't then why do they cry like faggots when normal looking women are put in their vidya, movies, and comic books? They lie to make themselves look better, but they go home every night and jerk off to AI anime shit until they cut their dicks off.
I wanted to talk about this as well but I think my post was long enough. They get mad when women don't naturally have long eyelashes, glossed lips, and filter-esque glass skin. In the plastic surgery video I linked as an example, Akkad brought up Pamela Anderson and said she looked normal and fine, while completely ignoring that Pamela regularly gets rancid comments thrown at her by moids that she's ugly and "let herself go" (aged normally). Women get shat on for aging, women get shat on for trying to reverse aging. Men expect we look like beautiful fertility goddesses forever and ever and are mad that we can't.
