Official Kiwi Farms Man-Hate Thread

[Many Planes]

Your post is completely detached from reality. I don't know if it is because you've lived a good life or because you are male and willfully blind to certain harsh truths.

The existence of rapists and murderers itself is the problem. It is a very, very male problem, and women suffer because of it. It is absolutely not rare enough to ignore (especially in the pursuit of statistics or fairness, give me a break). It is something women have to think about daily in interactions with strangers and god forbid their family. You say we are overstating it's importance. I say this is not something that can be overstated. Women notice that a lot of their problems and crises occur because of a certain demographic. Fuck that demographic.

I mean, look at what you list as problems with men. Manchildren and abortion? Are you serious? Women and girls are getting abused, killed, raped. It's not women being unrealistic and obstinate in this situation. It is one sex overwhelmingly hurting the other then complaining when women respect the disparity and act appropriately.

I'm not going to tell you if I'm shitposting or not. Implying women in this thread should is silly. Hoping to hear the magic words "Not All Men" from strangers online will not change reality or men's place in it.

 

[Golden Face]

I'd love some recommendations from you all.

kung fu panda trilogy

 

[𝕺𝖑' 𝕯𝖎𝖗𝖙𝖞 𝕱𝖆𝖙𝖘𝖔]

Good men object to being painted as rapists and scum just as women object to being painted as stupid objects meant for nothing other than the male gaze.

Men idolize characters who assault and abuse women when they're written by men who make misogyny a casual/glamorous detail of the character's personality, but get assmad when the same behavior is treated with rightful disdain for how disgustingly psychopathic and violent it is.

 

[suspended animation]

So tell me: Does bitterness and shitflinging really help solve the problems that affect all of us?

The bitterness comes naturally from being denied equality in a way that has and will continue to threaten the lives of women who have not already died as a result of it.

I won't abortion sperg, but I think if I have to live with the horror of the possibility of being forced to give birth to a baby that will only live a few painful hours when both mother and child could have been spared that cruel fate by early termination, then men can handle one thread full of mean words on this site. (And no, there will never be enough legal exceptions to cover every fucking scenario to prevent these situations from happening.)

It's really the bare fucking minimum.

The Tard baby thread needs to be mandatory reading here.

 

[FuckedOffToff]

This is a bit less of a shitpost, more serious post.
I recommend reading Invisible Women by Caroline Criado Perez if you're really interested in how the world is specifically designed for men, from the fact that seat belts don't fit women and are more likely to kill us, to cervical cancer drugs only being tested on men before being released.
Great, eye opening book.

 

[Scipio Neomericanus]

Men idolize characters who assault and abuse women when they're written by men who make misogyny a casual/glamorous detail of the character's personality, but get assmad when the same behavior is treated with rightful disdain for how disgustingly psychopathic and violent it is.

Could you give an example? Nothing comes to mind for me.

It is absolutely not rare enough to ignore (especially in the pursuit of statistics or fairness, give me a break). It is something women have to think about daily in interactions with strangers and god forbid their family.

I did not say it was rare enough to ignore. I said that relative to the total male population, rapists are a drop in the bucket. Trying to extrapolate rape to all men is ridiculous. I'm entirely in support of castration for rapists and have negative sympathy for them. I can understand why women think about the risks of being raped often. Do you carry a gun for self defense?

As for unreported sexual assault statistics, my primary concern is methodology. I don't think its reasonable to go off half-cocked unless the data is watertight.

I mean, look at what you list as problems with men. Manchildren and abortion? Are you serious? Women and girls are getting abused, killed, raped.

I listed problems that I see often see repeated on this thread. This is in no way an exhaustive list. And men are not victims of violent crime and domestic abuse? Excluding rape, men are still the primary victims of violent crimes across the board. That's not me trying to say "but what about the poor helpless men!?", that's me saying that violence is an unfortunate reality for everyone and that should need no particular emphasis unless its heavily skewed.

I won't abortion sperg

I will. The pro-life position is fucking stupid and has done irreparable damage for something that shouldn't even be considered. People have a right to believe what they believe, and regardless of my personal beliefs on the matter, trying to legislate away everyone's rights because of a minority's shitty and unethical decisions is absurd. The same pro-life people will moan about gun control, but by their logic nobody should have guns because some gun owners do stupid shit. I detest pro-life positions as much as I detest anti-gun positions and I can't fathom how both happen to be on the same political platform.

 

[fake farts]

This is a bit less of a shitpost, more serious post.
I recommend reading Invisible Women by Caroline Criado Perez if you're really interested in how the world is specifically designed for men, from the fact that seat belts don't fit women and are more likely to kill us, to cervical cancer drugs only being tested on men before being released.
Great, eye opening book.

This one has been on my to read list for a while, I need to pick it up.

Do you carry a gun for self defense?

Not only is this, dare I say, victim blamey, but not all Women here are afforded the luxury, due to state/country laws or what have you. And despite your attempts, your posts do very much come off like "What about the men?" It's a manhate thread. We don't care, simple as.

I detest pro-life positions as much as I detest anti-gun positions and I can't fathom how both happen to be on the same political platform.

I agree with you here.

 

[Golden Face]

Could you give an example? Nothing comes to mind for me.

patrick bateman and homelander are the usual "edgy" characters that immature boys worship

 

[Friend of Dorothy Parker]

People who refuse to accept that men are by far the main perpetrators of violent crimes are delusional. It's true. But that entire line of argument isn't really relevant imo.

How is it not relevant? It is a fact.

Making the argument that all men are shit on that basis isn't really rational.

I won’t attempt to speak for anyone else here (obvs), but those of us interested in dialogue don’t and haven’t said all men are shit (cue Lidl calling me a pickme, or tranny, again). But on this forum, the loudest (supposed) men do not care about literal facts and are unwilling to acknowledge them, or engage in any way around them.

We don't have enough data to make conclusive arguments about anything

Incorrect. There is a lot of data that poses concerning questions, and - maybe even more importantly - undermines women’s faith in men. And the dumbfucks who can’t acknowledge data and mock facts with nothing to rebut them further undermine that.

I could go on about how women could add personal, lived experience to cold statistics, but there’s no point, because every personal experience, data item, observed dynamic is universally demeaned and attempted to be dismissed (unsuccessfully, because things are accurate, but for purposes of discourse are overwhelmingly devalued). And if lived experience just so coincidentally coincides with statistics, consider there is some validity. But that’s not even ever reached because dipshit twits can’t process (much less rebut) any of it.

everything comes down to speculation and reliance on personal experience.

No; statistics and humans stating “x happens/happened” is relevant and compelling. This isn’t about a “perspective,” political or otherwise; I’m talking hard data + individuals’ lives. None of that is even addressed by certain bad actors here or their cheerleaders/silent supporters. Instead, all is avoided, and in lieu of engagement there’s “shitposting” (way too vehement in many cases to be just shits & giggles) and creepy doom-posting that just so happens to involve demeaning women.

It’s hard to distinguish who is shitposting for giggles and who is seriously unhinged.

Fair, and agree. Some is evident, but.

good-faith cooperation

This plea belongs in the other thread.

And men are not victims of violent crime and domestic abuse?

Jesus fucking Christ. For eons women have been hugely disproportionate victims of sexual and domestic violence. “What about the men” fucking sucks when you won’t acknowledge that this is a big fucking deal in women’s lives. Not marginal people, not people you don’t know, but WOMEN. I feel bad for boys and men victims of violence, but it will absolutely be tempered so long as the massive crimes against women are not acknowledged and addressed.

Excluding rape, men are still the primary victims of violent crimes across the board. That's not me trying to say "but what about the poor helpless men!?", that's me saying that violence is an unfortunate reality for everyone and that should need no particular emphasis unless its heavily skewed.

Yes, men are victims of violence by - overwhelmingly - men.
And that is general violence and primarily not intimate violence, which - along with regular violence - is experienced particularly by women.

Fuck “both sides.” Not being intransigent, but why is it a prerequisite to women’s experiences of violence and violation getting acknowledgment and addressing that men’s relatively small experience of it be dealt with?

 

[Scipio Neomericanus]

patrick bateman and homelander are the usual "edgy" characters that immature boys worship

Patrick Bateman came to mind, but I figured it was a ridiculous example. The entire point of Bateman's character is to represent a degenerate, valueless, unproductive-life-without-meaning nepo baby. I guess you're right, though.

@Friend of Dorothy Parker:

Fuck “both sides.” Not being intransigent, but why is it a prerequisite to women’s experiences of violence and violation getting acknowledgment and addressing that men’s relatively small experience of it be dealt with?

That wasn't my point. My point is that violence is an unfortunate bedrock of life that exists on every single plane of it. Women's experience of violence shouldn't be spoken about not as some exclusive issue. It isn't about men, it isn't about women, it isn't about mammals or reptiles or amoeba. The universe is a violent place.
The only realistic way to deal with that violence is with violence in return imo. I don't think men in general need to be held accountable for the behavior of rapists because rapists and abusers account for a minority of men. The best tool a woman has is something that evens the playing field against an assailant. It's a tough and unpleasant issue, but I really see no other way forward on an individual basis. Some men deserve to get lead driven into their skulls and there's no splitting hairs on that matter.

I think its reasonable to acknowledge rape, sexual assault and domestic abuse, but violence is too ubiquitous for every living thing to give women the sole spotlight.

it will absolutely be tempered so long as the massive crimes against women are acknowledged and addressed.

How would you address this?

None of that is even addressed by certain bad actors here or their cheerleaders/silent supporters. Instead, all is avoided, and in lieu of engagement there’s “shitposting” (way too vehement in many cases to be just shits & giggles) and creepy doom-posting that just so happens to involve demeaning women.

Agreed. Not a fan.

No; statistics and humans stating “x happens/happened” is relevant and compelling. This isn’t about a “perspective,” political or otherwise; I’m talking hard data + individuals’ lives.

I think there's also an element of a selection bias. There's a lot of people in the world. If the lived experience of 1% (for example) of women leads them to the same spaces, it will look like it's an overwhelming majority. Selection biases are my main reason for being careful with individual claims.

In any case, if its convenient for you to post some data, I'll be happy to read into it. I'm not here to defend men, I'm here to figure this issue out for myself and/or have a productive debate.

 

[Howslans]

I think you've got a point, but a lot of books and movies that focus on women are meant for women.

I love the way men cannot enjoy films about female characters, and how the vast majority of blockbuster films fail the bechdel test. Are you seriously this autistic that you can’t find something interesting unless the main character exactly reflects you and your life problems?

Men can watch and relate to any degree of fantasy fiction, no matter how removed from their life and experience, but ask them to appreciate something where the main character is female and they have absolutely no ability. Shows exactly how much they really consider us to be full humans worthy of interest and consideration.

I can’t quote in your other post but it just comes across as painfully naive. You seem to think we’re coming at this from a level playing field, just ignore all the statistics, personal experiences, history and evidence of our own eyes, Why don’t you go ask one of your female friends at what age she first remembers being sexualised?

 

[Scipio Neomericanus]

Not only is this, dare I say, victim blamey, but not all Women here are afforded the luxury, due to state/country laws or what have you.

Sorry you feel that way. It probably is, and frankly I don't care either. I'm not a woman. I carry. I refuse to be a victim of violent crime and want to protect my loved ones to the best of my ability.

I think applying victim blaming is a little disingenuous. It should be reasonable to expect people to take reasonable precautions for things they're concerned about. Not only that, but women having access to lethal force would serve as an excellent disincentive to the scum of the earth. If more women did, there'd be far fewer cases of rape, either due to the rapist getting domed or being too afraid to approach women lest he get domed.
I don't see many other reasonable solutions to the problem. If its within a woman's agency and ability to own a firearm and use it responsibly, it serves as protection for herself and for other women indirectly.

I love the way men cannot enjoy films about female characters, and how the vast majority of blockbuster films fail the bechdel test. Are you seriously this autistic that you can’t find something interesting unless the main character exactly reflects you and your life problems?

Men can watch and relate to any degree of fantasy fiction, no matter how removed from their life and experience, but ask them to appreciate something where the main character is female and they have absolutely no ability. Shows exactly how much they really consider us to be full humans worthy of interest and consideration.

I can’t quote in your other post but it just comes across as painfully naive. You seem to think we’re coming at this from a level playing field, just ignore all the statistics, personal experiences, history and evidence of our own eyes, Why don’t you go ask one of your female friends at what age she first remembers being sexualised?

Could you give me an example of masterpiece-level female-character media or literature that gets shit on by men? Just so I have a baseline to compare against. Abstracting it leads to nowhere.
I firmly believe that literature is the best medium for female characters. Film appeals more to masculine senses in general imo.

I'm going to try and walk a fine line here. Women and sexualization is a weird topic for me, because I see women complain about sexualization and then happily sexualize themselves. Different women could have different views on the subject, sure, but its a bizarre point to make when women willingly sexualize themselves regularly. I'm sorry, but I don't buy that it's purely men's fault.
What I could also be seeing is a generational difference. Idk what generation you or the other women in this thread belong to, but my personal experiences dictate that Gen Z women are doing better than Gen Z men and are being given a lot of positive attention and affirmation. Gen Z men speak to women differently, act differently, think differently, but are still being treated like villains by some women. As far as I'm concerned, women are happily sexualizing themselves.

 

[Howslans]

but a lot of books and movies that focus on women are meant for women.

You literally said it yourself, you think media about women ‘is meant for women’. If you can’t see how blinkered and patronising that idea is I don’t know what to tell you.

Yes I know you‘re gen z male because of how naive your takes are. I can’t give you life experience to help with that, so I guess we’re just gonna have to leave it there.

 

[Poop Shoot]

Men are incapable of leaving this thread alone.

There’s always at least one who thinks they’ll be the magical man who simply must share his groundbreaking opinion. This isn’t a debate thread, go fuck a coconut.

 

[I'm a Silly]

I think its reasonable to acknowledge rape, sexual assault and domestic abuse, but violence is too ubiquitous for every living thing to give women the sole spotlight.

this sentence alone reveals a dismissive attitude towards rape that simply shouldn't exist.
rape is soul-murder.
when men do this dismissal, it ensures that they will get exactly as much empathy as they dish out.

 

[Dyn]

Hide moid threads
Ignore moid posts
Do not reply to moid posters

 

[AmberHeardSupporter]

I don't think men in general need to be held accountable for the behavior of rapists because rapists and abusers account for a minority of men.

I firmly believe that literature is the best medium for female characters. Film appeals more to masculine senses in general imo.

Holy fuck KILL ALL MEN

 

[community member]

Yeah reading this is quickly making me realize that I wouldn't want to participate in a KF neutral debate thread if it did exist. Scipio, I would recommend asking the women in your life about their perspectives and reading books like Invisible Women as @FuckedOffToff suggested. This just isn't the place for debate. It's the place where scrotes either sit behind their glass barrier and seethe about our content, or read it and find it enlightening/interesting without the need for debate

 

[Dyn]

Yeah reading this is quickly making me realize that I wouldn't want to participate in a KF neutral debate thread if it did exist.

i'd debate u

 

[Lidl Drip]

Living in countries where you can't shoot and kill scrotes in self defense cause you're not allowed a gun sucks ass. That is reality for most women btw. Americans always forget there are tons of women in this world that live in shitholes where they get stoned to death for being raped or "honor killed". And men tend to think those are the most based and anti-uppity-feminists countries.