Official Kiwi Farms Man-Hate Thread

[The Jewel of the Nile]

I would say IVF is different, it's OK if it's your own eggs reimplanted into yourself. But I'm against IVF with donated eggs.

100%. I've been a frequent visitor to a local infertility clinic and they usually play some pregnancy-related slideshows in the waiting room. Last time I noticed that they advertise the option of implanting other women's eggs (or fertilized eggs? I wasn't paying attention) and it did make me feel some type of way. "Sure the DNA won't be yours or you husband's but you still will be able to bond with the baby!" is a rather weird way of advertising it

 

[Galaxolotl]

100%. I've been a frequent visitor to a local infertility clinic and they usually play some pregnancy-related slideshows in the waiting room. Last time I noticed that they advertise the option of implanting other women's eggs (or fertilized eggs? I wasn't paying attention) and it did make me feel some type of way. "Sure the DNA won't be yours or you husband's but you still will be able to bond with the baby!" is a rather weird way of advertising it

The whole industry is so vile, it's human trafficking, organ trafficking (if you consider sex cells organs) and brood parasitism all in one.

 

[Stan]

"Sure the DNA won't be yours or you husband's but you still will be able to bond with the baby!" is a rather weird way of advertising it

It is a weird way of advertising it, because human women can bond with a baby without having to physically labor and deliver it. Like... at that point why not just adopt an infant? That's a much more time-honored and ethical practice than surrogacy IMO.

 

[Nuthatches]

Childbirth is like war for women, there's always a chance that she doesn't come back. Both baby and myself nearly died during my first and my current pregnancy has been an absolute health nightmare. It's a massive labour of love and a roll of the dice every time a woman opts to bring new life into the world. It's the great biological separator and it's a very powerful force of evolution that drives us to be picky with our choice in mates. A healthy minded woman who wants a family will aim for the man who'll step up to the plate and take on that uncomfortable role should we find ourselves out of action. My own husband had to do exactly that and he proved his worth to me in our child's early days more than any other.

Scrotes run, men step up.

That said it's far from ideal. This latest pregnancy has taught me that baby learns to recognize voices from in the womb, mine knows his sister from all the other school kids and goes wild every school run to pick her up, he also gets excited when his dad comes home from work. Most of all he'll know my voice and presence and will be instinctively looking for it when he's born.

There's an innate disconnect and stress when a baby cannot find their mother.

That's the hardest part of surrogacy for me to swallow; I cannot comprehend what manner of human would willingly put a baby through that. But there is no putting the babies needs first in that barbaric industry, they only take account of the selfish desires of the adults involved or the money doing the talking.

I have learned that there is no way to explain some of this about infants and young children until you have your own, biological child. So many people told me I would forgive my parents when I had my own child and idk what they were smoking but it was the complete opposite.

It sounds so cheesy to say it out loud but my kids really did change my entire perspective on life. My youngest recognizes his sisters voices, my middle children still hold and smell my clothes for comfort, and my oldest still wants me to hold her when she scratches her knees. Men will never understand. (And yes my kids love their father but the relationship is different)

It hurts me so much to think about what is being done to these children. There are entire communities around adopted kids discussing their deep trauma and mental illnesses even when they otherwise had “normal“ childhoods. I can’t imagine how it will be for these surrogate children who are also surrounded by degenerate narcissists.

 

[Tetopettenson]

Moids: haha dum wimmin shopping and getting in debt
Also moids:

Tl:dw moids worship other moids, pump up memestonks, stick their life savings into shit they don't understand, get scammed

men really love sitting and bitching about how much women spend on "unnecessary" shit, but i never saw a woman buy an nft. ive never seen a woman invest in some scam ass meme coin. ive never seen a woman spend the majority of her salary on funko pops

It is a weird way of advertising it, because human women can bond with a baby without having to physically labor and deliver it. Like... at that point why not just adopt an infant? That's a much more time-honored and ethical practice than surrogacy IMO.

not to mention how many orphaned kids need adopting. these people remind me of those who adopt little dogs just to keep them in a purse, they want a little designer thing to tote around and not a child to raise. when you think about a man being allowed to basically rent a woman to create the ideal baby for him it sounds fucking weird doesnt it

 

[Hubelublub]

Men, it's ok to want to sit on your arse while the women do all the work.

 

[ZsaZsaBinks]

Men, it's ok to want to sit on your arse while the women do all the work.

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Always with the 1950’s traditional aesthetic.

 

[keke]

I would say IVF is different, it's OK if it's your own eggs reimplanted into yourself

Yeah. IMO those people should start adopting and get over themselves. It opens the gates to so much fuckery.

I don’t feel super strongly about it unlike other IVF uses, donor eggs (should be illegal, health risk to donor and mining the female body for parts), surrogacy, designer babies etc I just get so fucking grossed out how those couples prop up all the other stuff. Like if someone wanted to ban IVF with donor eggs, people using their own would protest against that.

t it allows people to sell pregnancy as a service

They are selling the baby, not a pregnancy

 

[isalaide]

There is a clear correlation, and moreover there's been many, many social science studies of IVF patients that back this up, that the adoption rate in the UK fell almost to zero at the same time as IVF became available on the NHS.

Once you had the option to have the NHS give you a baby for free, no one wanted a second hand one, even fresh out of the womb. Even the occasional dark paper that still surfaces looking at rates of infertility, birth defects, and other long term health issues in kids conceived by IVF receives no traction.

The UK has one of the lowest adoption rates of any first world nation. No one wants these kids. Even the infants: no one wants them. There was a stretch of three years recently when not a single child with disabilities in the whole of England and Wales was adopted.

The social impact of fertility treatment becoming widely available is rarely if ever discussed in the media, but it has been absolutely profound in the UK. In the space of a generation, adoption has more or less ceased to exist.

 

[decrease tnt]

There is a clear correlation, and moreover there's been many, many social science studies of IVF patients that back this up, that the adoption rate in the UK fell almost to zero at the same time as IVF became available on the NHS.

Once you had the option to have the NHS give you a baby for free, no one wanted a second hand one, even fresh out of the womb. Even the occasional dark paper that still surfaces looking at rates of infertility, birth defects, and other long term health issues in kids conceived by IVF receives no traction.

The UK has one of the lowest adoption rates of any first world nation. No one wants these kids. Even the infants: no one wants them. There was a stretch of three years recently when not a single child with disabilities in the whole of England and Wales was adopted.

The social impact of fertility treatment becoming widely available is rarely if ever discussed in the media, but it has been absolutely profound in the UK. In the space of a generation, adoption has more or less ceased to exist.

Wow that's really shocking.

 

[The Noise]

Moids: haha dum wimmin shopping and getting in debt
Also moids:

Tl:dw moids worship other moids, pump up memestonks, stick their life savings into shit they don't understand, get scammed

I've noticed women are usually smarter than money with men. Both genders are prone to addiction but I don't usually see women posting on WallStreetBets that they dumped their life savings into some random ass stock and lost everything.

Men, it's ok to want to sit on your arse while the women do all the work.

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I will cast a dissenting vote and say that I think once upon a time women would have preferred something like this; an idealized 1950s style society where they stay at home and run the house while the father supports the mother and kids with money, labor, and general physical and emotional security. Had American society continued placing special emphasis and protection around the ideas of marriage and sanctity of motherhood forever, we might have never had womens' rights movements and no fault divorce, because the need for such movements might not have arisen.

The problem with this "return to trad" movement is that weak men are responsible for moving away from trad ideals in the first place. They're the ones who beat their children and raped their wives. They're the ones who acted sweet and kind towards their girlfriends and then turned into monsters once they baby trapped them as wives. They're the ones who would say til death do us part at the altar and then sleep around all day and all night. They're the ones who were fucking lobotomizing their wives if they thought they were too "hysterical." They had every opportunity to maintain this pre-1950s and blew it because they were under the spell of their own selfish lusts and desires and thought it would last forever.

If you want a traditionalist society, you need buy-in from both genders. You can't have mothers doing mother things and then have the men being horrible degenerates. Women don't want to be financially dependent on men who could flip at any time into demons who can ruin their lives without consequence, and they especially don't want to try and be trad with "repeal the 19th" dipshits in 2024 who think they can force that society to come back if they coerce and threaten and intimidate women enough. Sorry, retards, you can't put the genie back in the bottle.

 

[Stan]

I straight up said that I can't stand surrogacy, it takes advantage of women, and she just said "They sign the contract". I can't even fathom having such a callous nature to other women. All because of her faggot son.

They sign the contract because it's a comparatively huge sum of money being presented to a woman who necessarily already has her own kids to care for. (Surrogates need to be "proven" in the sense that they've had kids of their own and it all went OK.)

Men, it's ok to want to sit on your arse while the women do all the work.

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This is an AI generated image. The tell: Try to figure out where the handle to the front door is.

 

[Susanna]

This is an AI generated image. The tell: Try to figure out where the handle to the front door is.

Also the girl on the right side of the porch is simultaneously sitting up against the wall and with her head outside the railing.

 

[isalaide]

So, the commentary videos are pretty funny but the main point of this video is one of those dumbass dating shows where Conservative Christian Strong Values Man is rejected by nearly every woman.

Except the one who states upfront she is absolutely looking for a man of strong Christian faith to have a family with.

Guess what happens next. Then remember they "just want a good woman with good values reeeeeeee".

 

[New & Improved Username]

I will cast a dissenting vote and say that I think once upon a time women would have preferred something like this; an idealized 1950s style society where they stay at home and run the house while the father supports the mother and kids with money, labor, and general physical and emotional security. Had American society continued placing special emphasis and protection around the ideas of marriage and sanctity of motherhood forever, we might have never had womens' rights movements and no fault divorce, because the need for such movements might not have arisen.

No. How many men actually paid for the house and gave the wives enough money for groceries? How many men beat these women? How many men kept their families in terror of moidrage? How could the women defend themselves against this with no money and nowhere to go with all these kids?

In old sitcoms, the housewife/mom always had to beg for a new dress or hat. The moid never happily said yes. Fuck all that shit.

 

[The Noise]

No. How many men actually paid for the house and gave the wives enough money for groceries? How many men beat these women? How many men kept their families in terror of moidrage? How could the women defend themselves against this with no money and nowhere to go with all these kids?

In old sitcoms, the housewife/mom always had to beg for a new dress or hat. The moid never happily said yes. Fuck all that shit.

Not sure why you did not quote me directly but that was literally the point of my post.

 

[The Crack Spiders Bitch]

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Some queer flag guy seethes over the sheer basedness of the Dago of Deposing.

Lol this hot intelligent Italian guy really buckbroke all the faggoty Andy's of the manosphere

"More and more young men don't have access to love" - sounds like a skill issue.

Have they tried smiling more?
Losing weight?
Building women houses to live in?
Maybe even a trip to the salon to remove their disgusting ear, nose, and back hair?

 

[New & Improved Username]

Not sure why you did not quote me directly but that was literally the point of my post.

Because the site doesn't allow quotes of posts that are too long

 

[Ethyllithium Boybortion]

There's an innate disconnect and stress when a baby cannot find their mother.

That's the hardest part of surrogacy for me to swallow; I cannot comprehend what manner of human would willingly put a baby through that. But there is no putting the babies needs first in that barbaric industry, they only take account of the selfish desires of the adults involved or the money doing the talking.

Not to PL, but I am adopted & I feel the same way about adoption as I do about surrogacy. Unfortunately, the way society is set up, presently, means adoption is seen by most everyone as a *good* thing.

I am quite sure I was given a better chance in life bc of my situation, but that does not negate the trauma that I experienced, or that went unaddressed until my 30’s.

I long for the days that women raised children, collectively, & men fucked off & came around to drop off meat & get laid. Moids had it made & they ruined it for all of us. I cannot forgive them.

 

[crazedaze]

Not sure why you did not quote me directly but that was literally the point of my post.

I will cast a dissenting vote and say that I think once upon a time women would have preferred something like this; an idealized 1950s style society where they stay at home and run the house while the father supports the mother and kids with money, labor, and general physical and emotional security. Had American society continued placing special emphasis and protection around the ideas of marriage and sanctity of motherhood forever, we might have never had womens' rights movements and no fault divorce, because the need for such movements might not have arisen.

Women would always have preferred an "idealized 1950s style life that never existed in reality". Women's rights movements began in 1848 in the US, when this marriage emphasis was still very much in place. This is delusional. Moids have always been moids, even when they were literally inescapable