This legit scares me and is one of the main reasons I can’t have sex with a man ever. It’s so terrifying to me to hear the way men talk about sex with women it’s always so degrading and violent and like they think we’re lesser and inferior for engaging in sex with them. I think it’s one of the reasons men hate wome. They think it’s inherently wrong and humiliating to be fucked, and tbh so does society.
Man here. Let me try to explain the male sex drive. You know those cartoons or comics where a character on a diet starts seeing everyone around them as food. You know, stuff like this:
This is what being a man who exists around women is like. We know we're not supposed to give in to our base urges, but we resent having to fight against them. And the insane part is men blame women for tempting them, just by existing. Both conservative prudishness and liberal sex positivity from men are ways of trying to square this circle. Conservatives want women to desexualise themselves, at least in public, because they don't want to have to deal with being "tempted" by women, and they don't want women they care about to be attacked by other men, and they feel like the only way to accomplish this is to make sure she isn't "tempting" them by daring to be sexually attractive. Problem is that this is a losing battle because men will sexualise literally anything they associate with womanhood. So no amount of public modesty will ever be enough. Liberals want women to remove their boundaries so that they stop feeling guilty for sexualising them. They try to frame is as being empowering for women, but really they just want access to their bodies. They just want to reframe female submission to men as something that women are choosing rather than something men are forcing on them so that they can feel less guilty about taking advantage of them.
Terrifying isn't it?
And the thing is a lot of men convince themselves that they are the victim here. They feel like women are controlling them by triggering their sexual urges, even if they are doing it involuntarily and they feel like this gives women control over them. This is where those "life on easy mode" memes about attractive women come from. Men basically believe that beautiful women have the power to hypnotise men into doing whatever they want. This is where a lot of incel ideology comes from, their desire to punish women is, as they see it, revenge for all the pain they have had to endure at the hands of the women who used their sex drive to control them and torture them by not letting them indulge in their base urges. Even if these women have literally committed no wrong against them other than just existing.
I'm sure other men on this forum might think this sounds dumb, but honestly I think that's just because they don't notice this in the same way a fish doesn't notice water. It's so normal to them it doesn't occur to them that it could be any other way.
Thing is historically this is something that societies have recognised. Agamemnon was a bad guy in The Illiad because he couldn't control his sex drive. He let his love of slave concubines overrule his common sense and led him to leading his kingdom to ruin. To the Ancient Greeks being a real man was about having enough self discipline to not give in to your base urges. Which is why it is just desserts when Agamemnon ends up getting murdered by his own wife. But now society celebrates hypersexuality and teaches men that to be a real man is to get a lot of pussy. So men who fail to do this feel like they have failed as men, and it drives them crazy.
Not that I'm saying you have to hand it to the Ancient Greeks on everything, but they were more sane than current day society on this one issue in particular.
I think a lot of autistic girls troon out on their own in an attempt to escape the shitty things about being a girl (sexual harassment and being sexualized, getting shamed and bullied for gender nonconformity, misogyny, etc). Especially if they get told their interests and shit aren't appropriate for girls their age but see boys allowed to like those things with no shaming.
Just about the most common "peak trans" story on r/gendercritical was "I was with my girlfriends, and we had our mtf friend along with us, suddenly a gross man started sexually harassing me and it was terrifying, then he left and my mtf friend came up to me and talked about how jealous he was and how he wished it was him being hit on by this ugly loser. That's when I realised that he was fundamentally incapable of understanding what it was like to be a woman." Men not only think women enjoy being sexually harassed, they gaslight themselves into thinking that they are women because they want to be sexually harassed themselves. Because that's what they think womanhood is. No wonder so many teenage girls are trooning out, society is teaching them that this is the only way to escape sexual harassment, and trans ideology itself is teaching that enduring sexual harassment is fundamentally what it is to be a woman.
