Official Kiwi Farms Man-Hate Thread

[Dyn]

Still think it's bad for men to consume period and some men are even starting to see this themselves even if it's just be because their pps go from the big hard pp to the soft useless pps through porn addiction.

Sure, and it's bad to be such an inveterate alcoholic that you routinely shit your pants, but I don't think that makes it just as bad to have a glass of wine once in a while. I'm not saying porn is good for anyone, I just don't think it's worth the reefer-madness "just one hit and you're Satan's catamite" level of moral hysteria surrounding it.

 

[starbies]

I fundamentally disagree with this. Men have not been fine for thousands of years. Men have been significantly, substantially worse than they are now by practically every metric, and dehumanised women to a far, far greater extent. I have serious, unresolved doubts about the extent to which mainstream acceptance of porn dehumanises and commodifies women because those arguments all discount the vast, vast majority of our history in which largely pornless societies quite literally treated women as second-class citizens at best, and subhuman chattel property at worst. I think blaming the mainstream proliferation of porn for modern man's failings and deviancy 'feels right' in my gut, and it would be easy to just say I agree with it, but the more I think about it, the less I'm convinced.

Also, I don't consume porn. I think it's cringe.

I can see your point in that societies that treated women badly also didn't have porn, so in a way treating porn as a force of misogyny is basically a drop of shit in an ocean of shit? Yes, "blaming the mainstream proliferation of porn for modern man's failings and deviancy" is probably just taking the easy route in trying to figure out why men are so misogynistic. But that's not what we are saying here, society is already rife with hatred for women and porn is a nail in the coffin, you know the kind of nail that multiplies and becomes harder to remove.

I'm from a super religious society where women are still treated like broodmares and babymachines, for context, so when my sibling got married to a white man, my aunt (who's a religious nutcase) told her "you should watch this kind of videos and read 'those' tips from Cosmopolitan" because that's "what they expect from their women". So not only are we being *still* expected to be a broodmare, kitchenslave, free therapist etc, now we have to your built-in all-serving pornstar too. I'm not saying it's a one-off case with my family or even just white men, lots of women these days are venting their frustrations, or asking whether they should finally give in to the demand for anal from their husbands otherwise the scrote will find some other woman to do it for him.

If you think religious conservative guys are a menace, add pornsickness to the mix and the result is just something else not human.

 

[Generic Anime Girl]

I fucking love how men claim to be stoic and cold but are actually sensitive little cry babies. seeing moid rage is so fucking fun, especially from trannies.

 

[Ass Dan]

Porn is bad in multiple ways. It's bad in the same way that many modern societal ills are bad. (Examples: social media, massively available/cheap ultra processed chemically enhanced foods, hard drugs) It's something that can be compulsively used as a means of easy dopamine and escape from reality to a toxic degree, in that it changes neural pathways, which results in being unable to function normally with or without it.

The specific degenerate/misogynistic acts and fetishes depicted in porn are a separate but related issue. The harm comes from the normalization and fetishization of sexually degrading acts. Some men can't get aroused or have an orgasm without BDSM, rape play, age play, verbal degradation, etc. This would not be nearly as common as it is if porn didn't exist in its current form. Then there's all the other shit like gender dysphoria, incelism, pedophilia, etc that this warping of sexual norms can contribute to.

I agree that banning porn will not solve the problem of men being horrible to women. But it's silly for men to act like porn is harmless, or that being discouraged from using it is akin to having their dicks chopped off.

 

[Lidl Drip]

Sure, and it's bad to be such an inveterate alcoholic that you routinely shit your pants, but I don't think that makes it just as bad to have a glass of wine once in a while. I'm not saying porn is good for anyone, I just don't think it's worth the reefer-madness "just one hit and you're Satan's catamite" level of moral hysteria surrounding it.

I think it's different from having a glass of wine or having a cigarette in that those things mainly hurt yourself. Porn use also hurts your relationship with your partner. Despite how many women are pretending to be cool with it because it's so normalized and they are told every day that they are being "just insecure" if they have an issue with their husband watching teenage gangbang videos while they and their children are in the next room, most women, if they are honest with themselves, are not okay with it. Single men is a different story but it's not like most men stop watching it when they enter into a relationship.

 

[Kali Muscle]

Porn is bad in multiple ways. It's something that can be compulsively used as a means of easy dopamine and escape from reality to a toxic degree, in that it changes neural pathways, which results in being unable to function normally with or without it.

The specific degenerate/misogynistic acts and fetishes depicted in porn are a separate but related issue. The harm comes from the normalization and fetishization of sexually degrading acts. Some men can't get aroused or have an orgasm without...

I agree that banning porn will not solve the problem of men being horrible to women. But it's silly for men to act like porn is harmless, or that being discouraged from using it is akin to having their dicks chopped off.

I want to echo this. I disagree that it's a stupid moral panic and everyone is overreacting, because it is normalizing deviant behavior. Case in point: 50 years ago men were ashamed to go pick up a XXX movie from the store, now they proudly talk about all the violent porn and kinks and fetishes...

I feel like it should be obvious but when you're busy justifying whatever you want to do then you can't see the reality, but porn is not a normal healthy thing, it's like a drug and that is something to explore. And, it indubitably changes the way men see sex, women, CHILDREN, DOGS, etc. It infects the mind. We're being very naive if we're telling ourselves that cooming over and over while drilling in these images is safe for society. Another aspect is the absolute degeneracy of content that is porn. Think of any of the vilest, nastiest shit you can think of, someone made it porn. Porn is just cope for losers not having sex.

 

[Android raptor]

I just think drawings of anime dudes getting crammed full of dicks are neat.

 

[Merton J. Dingle]

You know, as problematic as porn in general can be, it's really sad that crazy, disgusting porn that involves the abuse of women is so ubiquitous now that one doesn't even have to specify that they're talking about that type of porn.

 

[Andrealphus Fag 2]

Those stupid girl vs quirky boy memes make me unreasonably MATI

I'm sure I'm late and stupid, but what does MATI mean?

 

[Lidl Drip]

I'm sure I'm late and stupid, but what does MATI mean?

Mad at the Internet

 

[Andrealphus Fag 2]

Something I've noticed recently is that older men, especially southern republicans, are retarded. These people will believe anything they hear if the right person says it. An old fuck told me yesterday that the US FEMA alert downloaded malware on his phone and his service is bad now, when in reality, Verizon is updating their towers and cum for brains grandpa numnums is a paranoid jackass.

 

[Android raptor]

Something I've noticed recently is that older men, especially southern republicans, are retarded. These people will believe anything they hear if the right person says it. An old fuck told me yesterday that the US FEMA alert downloaded malware on his phone and his service is bad now, when in reality, Verizon is updating their towers and cum for brains grandpa numnums is a paranoid jackass.

I hear Qboomers were loosing their shit over the test, like wrapping their phones on foil because they thought it would turn people into zombies and shit

 

[𝕺𝖑' 𝕯𝖎𝖗𝖙𝖞 𝕱𝖆𝖙𝖘𝖔]

 

[Android raptor]

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I've seen that. It says a lot about how many dudes are raping their daughters that these billboards had to be a thing.

 

[Inside your walls]

I've seen a dude complain about how apparently men cannot navigate through work and academia (especially when it comes to HR) anymore unlike women, not conducive for how men socialize and because of that reason its why women are now performing better in academia. Of course others agreed with him and then went on about how companies/corporations are "so feminized now".

>Appoint women to work jobs that are mainly being the backbone of companies
by being secretaries and dealing with things scrotes don't want to deal, because
it's not a "manly" job or "women are much better to with paperwork"

>Get butthurt and blame women when that job branch develops its own culture and landscape in which women navigate more easily through because it was the only type of job that was offered for them in that industry



What's next, moids bitching about how the salon and make-up industry is women oriented and more easy for women to navigate through? Or maybe them bitching about how stores only want women to be cashiers for them, despite scrotes not touching that job position because it's not a "manly one"?

 

[Lake]

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Jesus, as a man that raised a daughter, this is the most depressing fucking thing I've ever seen on the Farms. God damn.

 

[JambledUpWords]

I've seen a dude complain about how apparently men cannot navigate through work and academia (especially when it comes to HR) anymore unlike women, not conducive for how men socialize and because of that reason its why women are now performing better in academia. Of course others agreed with him and then went on about how companies/corporations are "so feminized now".

>Appoint women to work jobs that are mainly being the backbone of companies
by being secretaries and dealing with things scrotes don't want to deal, because
it's not a "manly" job or "women are much better to with paperwork"

>Get butthurt and blame women when that job branch develops its own culture and landscape in which women navigate more easily through because it was the only type of job that was offered for them in that industry



What's next, moids bitching about how the salon and make-up industry is women oriented and more easy for women to navigate through? Or maybe them bitching about how stores only want women to be cashiers for them, despite scrotes not touching that job position because it's not a "manly one"?

The reason women tend to already dominate jobs like childcare, early education, and similar is because it caters to women’s strengths. They complain about women ruining early education (K- regularly, but see the jobs as beneath them. Instead of being so hostile, it would help if they bothered encouraging people they do like to become teachers and agreeing they should be paid better. They get mad at the education system, but choose not to have an active role in it.

 

[Stan]

Most studies seem to indicate that porn encourages and escalates deviant urges rather than satiating them.

For what it's worth though, I do think it's pretty normal and basically harmless to the consumer in moderation, most of my serious misgivings about it are on the production side of things. It's the same as meth, the occasional hit isn't gonna hurt, but if you're using it regularly you're going to blow out all your dopamine reserves and turn into a shallow, emotionally broken sociopathic deviant. Also you should probably hold your breath around people making it.

Fair points all. I don’t think being a porn star is a particularly pleasant existence. It’s the cross-street between stripper avenue and hooker highway.

Andrea Dworkin wrote back in the 80’s that expecting women to enjoy porn was like expecting Jews to enjoy Holocaust re-enactments. I tend to agree with that. Girls who say they like it are being female chauvinist pigs, and the men feel entitled to it now, thanks to liberal sex advice people like Dan Savage. His opinion is basically that everyone gets a “zone of erotic autonomy” and it’s one’s prerogative to view porn so long as it’s not causing you to fall behind on your car payments or making you impotent or otherwise clearly fucking up your life.

I fucking love how men claim to be stoic and cold but are actually sensitive little cry babies. seeing moid rage is so fucking fun, especially from trannies.

They especially hate it if you call them stupid rhyming nicknames.

I just think drawings of anime dudes getting crammed full of dicks are neat.

Girls like the darndest things. My jam right now is Terry & Korvo from Solar Opposites.

 

[ConsentAccidentVictimNo98]

Huh I thought it was the consensus earlier that the only benefit of porn is that it serves as male birth control.

It's really fucking disgusting that porn helps normalize this shit. Liberals will of course defend porn because "it's totally freedom of speech guys" whilst defending concepts such as hate speech. I recall reading one of, I believe, Dworkin's books or someone else (I think it may have been from a collection of speeches at a conference or something else) and one thing that really stood out was that with how liberals they typically tend to use concepts in a very flimsy way and like to flip flop (I didn't meant to get onto politisperging but in this case I am more speaking of second wave radical feminists vs liberal ones). This was written before the millennia, but what I found funny is that of how a law was referenced that how in Canada Porn was prohibited unless it had a discussion of it followed afterwards. Of course, if this was to be done now it would be "okay me moidy brain wanna go shove my ethan ralph size mega penis into your butt" or something along the lines of cuckoldry. It also doesn't help that most men literally do not understand that it's fake and that the women in the videos are of better chances than not high as fuck.

And yeah, the sad thing is that this shit is going to get worse, because that is the trajectory for porn. Coomers need it to get more extreme. It would be false to state that shit like incest porn, or shemale porn are "new things". They are not, however they have become more normalized through things such as the internet and social acceptance. Gotta remember Trekkie Monster from Avenue Q (the internet is for porn, the puppet that stayed at home all day jacking off and was constantly horny. Avenue Q was a musical from 2003). I would be interested to see if there is any hard data that have mapped out trends in relation to consumption. Though, I suspect Mindgeek would be unwilling to release any data.

 

[johnny dollars]

Real question: Do you guys believe that there's a direct correlation between Internet porn and the increase of troonery. I go back and forth in my mind about this a lot. Internet porn has been prevalent since the 90s, and we saw troons start to pop around 2014-5. Are there multiple factors?