Official Kiwi Farms Man-Hate Thread

[Group Project Carrier]

here's my take: women authors aren't better at writing men, they are good at writing better men.

This is a good way of putting it. Personally the way I would phrase it is--"women are better at writing men than men are at writing women".

Female interpretations of male characters are not always realistic to the way men are in real life; sometimes they create characters intended to be scrotes, but they draw a sharp line and also create characters meant to be "nice guys", not realizing that many moids who are outwardly nice or nice around other moids are still, at their core, moids. But even if these portrayals are still unrealistic, women still write men as full-bodied human beings with personalities and inner lives.

When a man writes a woman, on the other hand, it's only a matter of time before you get "Her breasts bounced as she hopped down the stairs" or "She folded her arms over her breasts" lmao. For this reason, I will never humor any male author unless it's nonfiction.

 

[Paranoia Machine]

This is a good way of putting it. Personally the way I would phrase it is--"women are better at writing men than men are at writing women".

Female interpretations of male characters are not always realistic to the way men are in real life; sometimes they create characters intended to be scrotes, but they draw a sharp line and also create characters meant to be "nice guys", not realizing that many moids who are outwardly nice or nice around other moids are still, at their core, moids. But even if these portrayals are still unrealistic, women still write men as full-bodied human beings with personalities and inner lives.

When a man writes a woman, on the other hand, it's only a matter of time before you get "Her breasts bounced as she hopped down the stairs" or "She folded her arms over her breasts" lmao. For this reason, I will never humor any male author unless it's nonfiction.

The best writing advice I've ever been given in writing women is: When you write a woman, once you are finished writing her; swap her gender to male. Read it again. You will know if you fucked up if any of the following occur
-Your man is damsel'd
-Your man is only inserted to be a love interest
-They have significantly less character and personality aspects to male characters
-You have over-detailed this character's physical description
-This character becomes unbearable to you as the writer or the rest of your "cast" for their behavior.
-You are disturbed by the sudden amount of homosexual content in your story

That's not to say I have it all my damn self in my writing, but I've shown my writing to many women and also write female leads and have gotten no complaints.
Then again I don't really care for writing sexual stuff.

 

[FarmVille]

The best writing advice I've ever been given in writing women is: When you write a woman, once you are finished writing her; swap her gender to male. Read it again. You will know if you fucked up if any of the following occur
-Your man is damsel'd
-Your man is only inserted to be a love interest
-They have significantly less character and personality aspects to male characters
-You have over-detailed this character's physical description
-This character becomes unbearable to you as the writer or the rest of your "cast" for their behavior.
-You are disturbed by the sudden amount of homosexual content in your story

That's not to say I have it all my damn self in my writing, but I've shown my writing to many women and also write female leads and have gotten no complaints.
Then again I don't really care for writing sexual stuff.

This is terrible advice. if the only way you can evaluate a female character is by swapping them with a male you’re a shitty writer and should stop writing women now

no more david foster fuckheads the only good thing that moid did was kill himself

 

[Group Project Carrier]

The best writing advice I've ever been given in writing women is: When you write a woman, once you are finished writing her; swap her gender to male. Read it again. You will know if you fucked up if any of the following occur
-Your man is damsel'd
-Your man is only inserted to be a love interest
-They have significantly less character and personality aspects to male characters
-You have over-detailed this character's physical description
-This character becomes unbearable to you as the writer or the rest of your "cast" for their behavior.
-You are disturbed by the sudden amount of homosexual content in your story

Actually smart advice

That's not to say I have it all my damn self in my writing, but I've shown my writing to many women and also write female leads and have gotten no complaints.
Then again I don't really care for writing sexual stuff.

I'm a writer too, which is why I'm so short on patience when it comes to the books I read. The type of writer that would follow advice like what you mentioned is severely underrepresented among literature that's achieved mainstream popularity.

This is something that's always amazed me about the literary industry--as selective as it is, and as difficult as it has become even just to get literary representation, lots of what gets published is still trash. How? Unless novels with poorly-written female characters just sell better than ones where women are treated as human beings...

 

[Not a bee]

I really need to get back into writing again. I keep saying I will but for some reason I can't just bring myself to do it. I overly-criticize myself and give up. And I know that's stupid of me! It's a shitty cycle I need to break.
A little off topic, but do any of you have a favourite female artist from history? I've been painting more and I'm happy with my progress with that.

 

[Group Project Carrier]

I really need to get back into writing again. I keep saying I will but for some reason I can't just bring myself to do it. I overly-criticize myself and give up.

Why does this matter if you aren't publishing?

I don't know if this is any comfort, but most people who write--published are not--are pretty bad at it. So at least you're probably not as bad as the worst I've seen lol.

A little off topic, but do any of you have a favourite female artist from history? I've been painting more and I'm happy with my progress with that.

Based queen Angelica Kauffman.

Fun fact: Kauffman was one of two (out of forty) female founding members of the Royal Academy of Arts, but even though the RA had female members at its foundation, women were barred from membership for many decades following.

 

[Blackhole]

we can save her but her the chances are low. ever since she moved to LA she's been faghagging and bashing christianity.

Once you step foot in Los Angeles, your immortal soul is stolen by the demons living underneath that city. There is no salvation.

 

[I'm a Silly]

I really need to get back into writing again. I keep saying I will but for some reason I can't just bring myself to do it. I overly-criticize myself and give up. And I know that's stupid of me! It's a shitty cycle I need to break.
A little off topic, but do any of you have a favourite female artist from history? I've been painting more and I'm happy with my progress with that.

leonor fini

 

[Tilapia]

I'm not saying they shouldn't be able to get jobs and I understood the first iteration. The thing is that those girls are kids who need to be protected while they're that vulnerable because we know what often happens to them when they aren't protected in some measure. Parents need to give the men around their daughters the stank eye and maybe issue a few vague threats, and explain to her why they have to. You don't let a kid learn how a stove works by standing back to see if they learn the hard way that it's hot just because it would make a bigger lasting impression on them than taking measures to keep them safe and explain why. Absolutely let the kid use the stove, but help them out until they reach the point of self sufficiency with using it responsibly. I hope I'm communicating this a bit better, I apologize if I'm failing in my sleep deprived state.

I went through a lot of sexual harassment as a child that would have been so much worse if my father hadn't been protective of me at that age.

Okay, we are saying the same thing, I think. I did not mean to imply that we should throw a child into the deep end without a life preserver, but rather that it'd be better for a teenage girl to gain the life experience of a part time job (and any of the sexist shit that entails) while she knows that her parents are close by and support her. I believe that approach is better than keeping her sheltered until she is eighteen and goes off to university, where she will be further away from home & in for a culture shock about how men behave.

 

[Paranoia Machine]

This is terrible advice. if the only way you can evaluate a female character is by swapping them with a male you’re a shitty writer and should stop writing women now

no more david foster fuckheads the only good thing that moid did was kill himself

Any advice in terms of writing women? My point was mostly to point out that if a character of any kind gets put in a position like that; it's for sexualized reasons and usually not genuine.

This is something that's always amazed me about the literary industry--as selective as it is, and as difficult as it has become even just to get literary representation, lots of what gets published is still trash. How? Unless novels with poorly-written female characters just sell better than ones where women are treated as human beings...

I'm very straight-forward with my prose and tend to focus more on concepts than I do on the characters. I really don't read novels as much anymore due to the time investment, but when I did, you are absolutely correct. Women are written poorly. I mostly write for tabletop games and my own little writings I do because of it.
I greatly enjoy writing settings and lore more than I do characters.

I really need to get back into writing again. I keep saying I will but for some reason I can't just bring myself to do it. I overly-criticize myself and give up. And I know that's stupid of me! It's a shitty cycle I need to break.
A little off topic, but do any of you have a favourite female artist from history? I've been painting more and I'm happy with my progress with that.

I'm hispanic and my mom's side and my sisters love Frida Kahlo, so by extension I do too, heard all the stuff from them.

 

[Big Miss Steak]

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Reminder that self-control is very hard, maybe IMPOSSIBLE for poor moids. They are but slaves to their cock and it's the evil porn-jews who are to blame that they can not stop pulling on their dicks all day long. Can we really trust to let these animals run society when they have such poor self-control? Truly moids yearn for the mines, free from the porn-shackles, free from their cock-slavemaster. And they will be happy.

Men call women illogical and histrionic, say they shouldn't be able to serve in the military or vote or hold office or work, because of their constantly fluctuating hormones. Then in the same breath will say shit like this. I won't pretend the porn industry doesn't sicken me, but men are not the primary victims of the porn industry, don't make me laugh.

Starbucks Barista intervenes, men of kiwi farms seethe

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A day or two ago, some guy I know showed me this article and was ranting about how much it pissed him off and I genuinely couldn't (and still can't) figure out why it makes men so mad. I guess they take offense at being suspected of being a possible predator or pest, or are embarrassed. I mean, can't feel great to realize someone thought you were being a creep or a bother. You know what also doesn't feel great? Being harassed or assaulted. Just about every woman in this thread has a story (or multiple) about being accosted by men in public places. Sucks if you're just trying to make small talk with a girl or hit on her or whatever, but women are naturally going to be on high alert because men approaching women unsolicited in public places are often up to no good. This has been instilled in us through years of direct personal experience. My lefty professor didn't teach me to be suspicious of men, instances of me followed to my car/groped/stalked did. Blame men for Starbucks baristas checking to see if a woman is ok.

"Can't talk to women in public without being seen as a possible pest, JEEESUS!" Younger me scoffed at the line that men are afraid women will laugh at them, and women are afraid men will kill or rape them. But it really is true. If women are out there dating and getting married or even just having casual sex under the constant risk of rape and murder, then men have no excuse to let some mild-mannered Starbucks barista deter them. What a bunch of faggots.

Last night I had a nice dinner and walk with a girl from my church that I've been meaning to befriend. Talked about life, religion, the church itself. We talked about what we got our degrees in and why, how we got into our lines of work, our interests and hobbies. Can't remember the last time I had a conversation half as engaging with a man.

 

[Friend of Dorothy Parker]

My point in posting the APA stuff is to irriate scrotes reading this thread who spew the same about women.

This is the man hate thread, I'm here to tease/ bully incels in a way I really can't do anywhere else.

Ok. My pov is 1) that being disingenuous or slanted about info is unnecessary bc 99/100 of the hot button issues in women/men debates support women, and 2) my own ethics and personal philosophy require transparency and honesty. I’ve never had to resort to bullshit to make or win an argument. I’ll admit I’m wrong if wrong, but for good or bad, that's rarely necessary when it comes to these women/men topics. So, call me pedantic (“you’re pedantic!”), but imo truth and transparency make a much better case on the merits than being as slimy as dumbass idiot (one-sided, uninformed) men are on these things.

 

[keke]

Any advice in terms of writing women? My point was mostly to point out that if a character of any kind gets put in a position like that; it's for sexualized reasons and usually not genuine.

Considering the other things you said about the themes of your writing, while the advice is lacking in the sense that intentionally or not it plays into the whole male = default human. There are plenty of aspects of women that will remain unexplored forever if people take that approach. However, for the scope of your writing, it should be fine.

Here’s some random man hate.

Anybody else scared to send their daughter to work? Like 16 year old wants to get her first job with her friends at the local fast food place on weekends for pocket money job.

I don’t mind them working like every other weekend for some cash. But fucking scared to death cause I remember being 16 and all the older manager dudes being fucking perverts. And even customers sometimes.

I feel like I wouldn’t worry as much if I sent a son. But because it’s a daughter I just fucking know some pervert dude is gonna hit on her at 16.

First off, I’d be shocked at any company is willing to have people only work every other weekend. If this is common, I had no idea. My actual advice is make sure she understands it is perfectly appropriate to politely excuse yourself from an interaction and request another employee handle the customer. If she’s going to stick through the interaction, playing dumb and completely ignoring what they’re saying without replying beyond a disinterested ”oh” and “hm” works most times. If they call her on it just say some shit like ”the screen is frozen and I’m trying to find the right option”. Shutting people down is the only thing that works consistently.

 

[AmberHeardSupporter]

Off topic but did anyone see the new MatI stream with rekeita where he was talking about how all men are secretly gay because men only look up to and are inspired by other moids? He said that men dress for other men and that men do things to please other men and not wome. It was a little retarded but also kinda based because he’s low key spouting feminist talking points to his mra audience. I thought it was interesting. I hate rekeita sm it’s unreal but I actually found myself agreeing with him there. I wish I knew how to embed the clip because it was honestly true

 

[Big Miss Steak]

why are women authors better at writing men than men themselves?

Women are more empathetic and are overall better at writing characters than men, ime. Especially characters that are flawed but still endearing or likeable. Empathy serves to not only put yourself in the character's perspective, but also the audience's. And you can tweak your characters to be less (or more) abrasive accordingly.

The best writing advice I've ever been given in writing women is: When you write a woman, once you are finished writing her; swap her gender to male. Read it again. You will know if you fucked up if any of the following occur
-Your man is damsel'd
-Your man is only inserted to be a love interest
-They have significantly less character and personality aspects to male characters
-You have over-detailed this character's physical description
-This character becomes unbearable to you as the writer or the rest of your "cast" for their behavior.
-You are disturbed by the sudden amount of homosexual content in your story

That's not to say I have it all my damn self in my writing, but I've shown my writing to many women and also write female leads and have gotten no complaints.
Then again I don't really care for writing sexual stuff.

This is good advice for male writers.

This is terrible advice. if the only way you can evaluate a female character is by swapping them with a male you’re a shitty writer and should stop writing women now

If a writer finds it hard to put themselves in the opposite gender's mindset, swapping the genders and seeing if the character suddenly becomes insufferable is fine. Especially in the context Paranoia gave, which is TTPRGs and less character-driven stuff. The alternative is just.... having shitty characters.

Actually smart advice

I'm a writer too, which is why I'm so short on patience when it comes to the books I read. The type of writer that would follow advice like what you mentioned is severely underrepresented among literature that's achieved mainstream popularity.

This is something that's always amazed me about the literary industry--as selective as it is, and as difficult as it has become even just to get literary representation, lots of what gets published is still trash. How? Unless novels with poorly-written female characters just sell better than ones where women are treated as human beings...

The vast majority of writing is shit, the top 10% is just fine, and the top 1% is genuinely good. In that top 1%, it's hard to find stuff that's character-focused and has good female characters. As long as the female characters aren't awful, I usually endure. Many of the writers I worked with who excelled at strong characters were, unfortunately, interested in plots and concepts that would not have widespread commercial appeal.

I really need to get back into writing again. I keep saying I will but for some reason I can't just bring myself to do it. I overly-criticize myself and give up. And I know that's stupid of me! It's a shitty cycle I need to break.

Any hobby that flexes your creativity and mind is worth spending time on, even if you have no ambitions to be commercially published.

 

[keke]

Speaking of writing, that book ’A Little Life’ was trending. I guess someone made a viral post about some girl crying for days after reading it. I look this thing up, first thing I read is that it follows the lives of four homo men. Genuinely makes me sad women read this shit. These people don’t give a shit about you or your issues, and would rather die than read a similar book about women. Asking me to give a shit about 4 men, no, just an impossible task. Same with that other male author I refuse to name writing about growing up gay where all the female characters are a joke like girls THEY HATE YOU.

Spoiler: plot spoilers

One guy was super molested by multiple men and left disabled, self harms a lot and eventually suicides after the friend turned boyfriend he starts fucking dies

 

[Group Project Carrier]

Speaking of writing, that book ’A Little Life’ was trending. I guess someone made a viral post about some girl crying for days after reading it. I look this thing up, first thing I read is that it follows the lives of four homo men. Genuinely makes me sad women read this shit. These people don’t give a shit about you or your issues, and would rather die than read a similar book about women. Asking me to give a shit about 4 men, no, just an impossible task. Same with that other author I refuse to name writing about growing up gay where all the female characters are a joke like girls THEY HATE YOU.

LOL the memories!!! I actually had so much free time at one point that I could be arsed to skim through that book. 800 fucking pages to say jack about shit. That book wasn't even good at doing the one thing people merit it for, which is its treatment of homosocial relationships--only one of the guys was explicitly stated to be gay, and the others were kind of just acting gay because they didn't know what else to do with themselves.

If the author (a woman by the way, who is so self-hating that she cannot for the life of her stop writing about gay men and little boys getting raped) had been based enough to grasp the concepts of irony, parody, and deconstruction, the book could actually have been a decent commentary on how moids hold each other in such high esteem that, despite being straight (or even ambiguously non-gay), they will form almost homoerotic relationships with one another rather than ever talking to a woman as an equal. (There's that Marilyn Frye quote that encapsulates what I'm talking about.)

FWIW, there is not a single significant female character in the book, and I'm pretty sure it fails the Bechdel test.

 

[Friend of Dorothy Parker]

Off topic but did anyone see the new MatI stream with rekeita where he was talking about how all men are secretly gay because men only look up to and are inspired by other moids? He said that men dress for other men and that men do things to please other men and not wome. It was a little retarded but also kinda based because he’s low key spouting feminist talking points to his mra audience. I thought it was interesting. I hate rekeita sm it’s unreal but I actually found myself agreeing with him there. I wish I knew how to embed the clip because it was honestly true

I haven’t listened to it but lol, that’s not feminism. That’s Nick rekieta gearing up to rationalize fucking men, nothing more and nothing less. He’s in a decade-long middle-aged crisis years before it was actually due.

 

[keke]

Off topic but did anyone see the new MatI stream with rekeita where he was talking about how all men are secretly gay because men only look up to and are inspired by other moids? He said that men dress for other men and that men do things to please other men and not wome. It was a little retarded but also kinda based because he’s low key spouting feminist talking points to his mra audience. I thought it was interesting. I hate rekeita sm it’s unreal but I actually found myself agreeing with him there. I wish I knew how to embed the clip because it was honestly true

as radfem hitler says, all men are spiritually homosexual and straight women have the job of finding the least gay amongst them.

 

[Meiwaku]

I think my favorite farms conspiracy is that @Lidl Drip is a man because she manhate posts and is also funny.

I've seen this idea purported on multiple areas of the site.