Official Kiwi Farms Man-Hate Thread

I don’t get why anyone would seriously use Kiwifarms for group therapy. This place isn’t exactly meant for that. Would be a lot more worth it to go to an actual support group or seek a therapist.
I don't know but it's honestly a little annoying that people are being judgemental or insulting to them because if they're too afraid to open up about their struggles I won't know who's at their weakest and most vulnerable and most receptive to buying bitcoin heroin when I slide into their DMs.
 
I don’t get why anyone would seriously use Kiwifarms for group therapy. This place isn’t exactly meant for that. Would be a lot more worth it to go to an actual support group or seek a therapist. Also, it’s a bad idea to powerlevel about what you struggle with here because people can and will use it against you.
Idk, it helped me to be able to actually talk to women. Turns out I just needed to wash my ass, not being a creep and actually listening to women goes a long way.
 
Idk, it helped me to be able to actually talk to women. Turns out I just needed to wash my ass, not being a creep and actually listening to women goes a long way.
Pretty much. You don’t even need to agree with women all the time. I’d honestly think of my husband as weak if he was a yes man to everything I did or said. You want someone supportive, but also someone to keep you grounded.
 
@Friend of Dorothy Parker

I can't quote your post so just tagging you to respond to your comment re mammograms.

Mammograms have been an issue for women ever since they started. And may I add, the compression technique was invented and implemented by....


Yes. You guessed right, a man, in late 1940s if I recall (too lazy to check the exact dates).

You have to take into consideration that just because you found a mammogram easy breezy doesn't mean the rest of women do. It's kinda like with pap smear, I know so many women who absolutely loath it and find it painful and I barely feel anything other than a pinch when I go for one.

It also depends on the technique of mammogram. It's only in recent years that a lot of clinics adopted controlled pressure method (where a woman says that's enough of pressing, can't take no more). But majority, globally, still use the press till your tit is a crepe technique.

Furthermore, your level of pain will depend a lot on the firmness of your breasts. If your breasts are more saggy/droopy it will be easier than if your breasts are perky. For that reason women in their 40s (when the first mammograms often take place), find it much more painful than lets say women in their 50s/60s or those with specific breast shape.

There are literally hundreds of posts on Reddit where women are talking about how traumatized they were after their mammograms and saying they will never go to another one again:


And you and I know very well that if men had to have even the slightest pressure applied to their balls for an x-ray, there would be innovative machines with all kinds of anti anxiety and pain meds provided for the exam.

We have mammogram from 80 years ago, and speculum from the 19th century (also invented by a man).

But if a man calls his doctor, and says his dick doesn't stand up, there will be 20 different solutions available.
 
It had your regular retarded moid talking points and mentions of white feather campaign,
an event moids love to use as proof that women are sadists that want to send men to die

It's telling how certain these men are that they would die if they were drafted. It's a safe bet that they know they would have to immediately kill themselves when drafted, rather than wait til after the war when the debilitating shame hits home because their utter cowardice was revealed on the battlefield by their (in)actions.
 
Mammograms have been an issue for women ever since they started. And may I add, the compression technique was invented and implemented by....
Well, if compression facilitates a clearer scan, then that’s the better approach, no? If there are better techniques/technology, great. But I’m not going to reject the whole thing just because some man was the originator of it.
You have to take into consideration that just because you found a mammogram easy breezy doesn't mean the rest of women do. It's kinda like with pap smear, I know so many women who absolutely loath it and find it painful and I barely feel anything other than a pinch when I go for one.
No, I understand people have different tolerances for discomfort and pain. Personally, the yucky experience of a boob-squish, Pap smear, or rectal exam is 1000x outweighed by the utility and benefit of it. Yes, sometimes Pap smears have hurt, sometimes I have teared up or bled after, and they always feel kind of sickening…but I guess I’m just not of a mindset generally to be more than minorly inconvenienced. Call me goal-oriented, but pain in service of a good is just one of those things, not something to complain about or blow up into dread. And I react against excessive dwelling on momentary negatives, both because that’s life and because dread leads to avoidance (and these checkups shouldn’t be avoided) and tension (and tension increases pain). **and I want young women to do the necessary and take care of themselves**

As for mammograms, I had my first around 40, due to family history (at the time the recommended starting age had gone up to 50 for most women, though I believe it’s back to 40 now, given that 1/6 breast cancers are found 40-50) and have had a handful since. Then and now, the tissue is firm/dense and can only squish so far (one tech actually kind of complained about it, the bitch). So yeah, it’s painful in a way, but not exactly like getting a limb ripped off, so I consider it discomfort rather than horrible pain. Not something I’d like to do for hours at a time, but it doesn’t qualify as some kind of traumatic horror. And a lot less painful than chemo/ radiation/ mastectomy/ powerful drugs’ side effects.

Anyway, not trying to be dismissive, just to put some things in perspective. I’d take any one of these diagnostic exercises over, say, a broken toe, strained ankle, or even a blistering sunburn, for sure.
We have mammogram from 80 years ago, and speculum from the 19th century (also invented by a man).
OK, though a speculum seems fit for purpose to me. And I’ve had gyns warm it or at least say “hey, this might be cold.” Appreciated, but jfc, I just can’t see how to go through life being seriously knocked around by minor discomforts like these. They’re not trying to hurt you - some things - like getting at your insides - are just not going to be comfortable. But it’s just business.
But if a man call his doctor, and says his dick doesn't stand up, there will be 20 different solutions available.
This is absolutely true. And there will be insurance coverage for male-only innovative technology, not so much for innovations that primarily benefit women. …related, there was a time (mid/late 90s) when HMOs were the thing and coverage cut way back, even in top-tier plans, which I had at the time. Insurance completely stopped covering birth control. But they sure as shit covered Viagra - which had only been patented in 1996 and FDA-approved in 1998. That was such a fucking insult. In practical terms, bcp was about $120/month (for reference, median household income in 1998 was around $38k, compared to around $74k today, so consider a ~$200/mo expense today), and of course needs to be continuous and timely, so you can’t delay or scrimp. That bar on coverage didn’t last too long, but it did happen. I agree 100% women’s health concerns and innovations are very often sidelined, dismissed, or not paid for. And though on the consumer side there are fewer obvious disparities in terms of coverage, I agree with you that innovation itself, by interest and R&D research, still disfavors women-specific situations.

Sorry to double-post, but I didn’t see this comment before and it relates to the topic of discrimination in healthcare:
won't let me reply -- @RussianBlonde
YOU ARE ABSOLUTELY CORRECT ON ALL COUNTS.
additionally, you should opt for ULTRASOUND which is PAINLESS and the NEXT STEP ANYWAY IF THE BOOB MASHER FOUND ANYTHING.
MOTHERFUCK MAMMOGRAMS.
That is not always an option, practically speaking.

You do make a good point, though, about whether ultrasound (and sorry, in my last reply to @RussianBlonde , I completely spaced about ultrasound) should be a (COVERED) first-line diagnostic, at least in certain cases. PL: my mother had breast cancer that wasn’t detected by the mammo, and her concerns were dismissed by her (MALE) doc who wouldn’t order a second-line diagnostic for TWO YEARS bc the mammo didn’t show anything of concern. Terror, and terrible treatment ensued. 10 years later, when it recurred, yet another (MALE) doc botched the prognosis. If she’d listened to him, she’d be dead. She didn’t, and got appropriate, if very painful, treatment. As it was, she has had 30+ years of immense physical and psychological costs that could have been avoided if her docs had simply not been dismissive of her absolutely valid - and CORRECT - concerns, and if insurance had been sufficiently responsive to individual situations for women-specific health concerns.

Coda: her initial doc, who dismissed her correct concerns, died some years later of liver cancer, and though I don’t like that I feel this way, I’m glad.
 
Of course, they ignore the real issue: Immigration. They never mention that though, maybe because they're brown...
As one of the most right-leaning women on here, I still have yet to receive a coherent answer from any of these incels how removing white women, the only other group besides white men that votes Republican in any real measurement, is going to help, or why melanated women voting 90+% Democrat is any worse than melanated men who also vote 90+% Democrat, or how White men think they're going to defeat the growing coalition of Hispanic, Black, Asian and even Arab men who all vote overwhelmingly Democrat, or even what they plan to do with all the Democrat-voting White men that infest big cities and costal towns. Just something something muh conservative beaners something something all women's fault something something feminism.
 
As one of the most right-leaning women on here, I still have yet to receive a coherent answer from any of these incels how removing white women, the only other group besides white men that votes Republican in any real measurement, is going to help, or why melanated women voting 90+% Democrat is any worse than melanated men who also vote 90+% Democrat, or how White men think they're going to defeat the growing coalition of Hispanic, Black, Asian and even Arab men who all vote overwhelmingly Democrat, or even what they plan to do with all the Democrat-voting White men that infest big cities and costal towns. Just something something muh conservative beaners something something all women's fault something something feminism.
They blame the immigration issue on women because women are apparently “too emotional and driven by pity.” Plenty of men helped create the immigration problem, but it’s easier for those types to just blame women for it. On top of that, they think it’s women’s responsibility to get other women “in line,” while they think they don’t have to do anything. If it’s not Jews these types start blaming, it’s women.
 
Plus, prostate exams start at 50 for a typical man without heightened risks/indicators, so most of the men here wouldn’t even have had one yet to complain about.
sometimes it's as young as 40... it's all about what insurance will cover... don't ask me how I know...
If they are more report-happy in that thread (idk if that’s actually the case), whatever - it’s their thread. Nothing to seethe about.
They're hypocrites though, they seethe and piss and moan if they suspect you of reporting them, but they'll brigade-report you, no problem.
We don't have the moderation spoons for that.
Respectable, yet regrettable that the pleasant harem cannot be extended beyond a single thread.
I don’t get why anyone would seriously use Kiwifarms for group therapy. This place isn’t exactly meant for that. Would be a lot more worth it to go to an actual support group or seek a therapist. Also, it’s a bad idea to powerlevel about what you struggle with here because people can and will use it against you.
Couldn't imagine why people PL on Kiwi Farms
This is not a safe space from men. Men are not allowed because they are pathologically incapable of participating without derailing the thread.
If you think about it it's kinda a self-own. They just couldn't help themselves, and that speaks for itself.
 
All of that for me simply asking the jannies politely why they ban women from women hating thread but don't ban men from the men hating thread.
You have been instructed, many thousands of times, that the reason is because the entire rest of the internet caters to a demented tranny ideology, which deletes women only spaces. This is one of the only places left where women can gather and discuss women's issues without men in drag coming in to demand that everyone accept them as female as well. This is also the principle by which the administration allows anyone of any political leaning or similar contentious position to post on almost any area of this site with as few rules as possible to ensure the smooth functioning of a legitimate adult community of people interested in discussion. Stop behaving like the mirror image of a tranny or you will start to enjoy threadban prison, stalker manchild.
 
They blame the immigration issue on women because women are apparently “too emotional and driven by pity.” Plenty of men helped create the immigration problem, but it’s easier for those types to just blame women for it. On top of that, they think it’s women’s responsibility to get other women “in line,” while they think they don’t have to do anything. If it’s not Jews these types start blaming, it’s women.
Ronald Regan was the one who was so driven by emotional pity, being a good Christcuck, and the traitorous demand from big buisness for people they could pay under the table, that he legalized 2 million beaners, forever turning California Democrat and paving the way for great replacement, but I've again the superior and logical sex will ignore what one of their own does because >muh women voting
 
@Friend of Dorothy Parker

That's not the point I'm making though. I realize sometimes pain /discomfort etc are necessary when it comes to medical tests and procedures but when it comes to diagnostics female kind is being fucked in the ass. Because something like a breast exam shouldn't have to be painful.

So, we have money, science and resources to look for bugs on other planets but not to make cancer testing bearable for female kind?

Women have been banned (by men) from getting education and going into science for centuries. By the time we were allowed to we had things like mammograms and speculums, and new inventions simply wouldn't be worth it, from financial perspective , for governments and insurance companies. And we just grin and bare it, I'm sorry but fuck that.
 
Ronald Regan was the one who was so driven by emotional pity, being a good Christcuck, and the traitorous demand from big buisness for people they could pay under the table, that he legalized 2 million beaners, forever turning California Democrat and paving the way for great replacement, but I've again the superior and logical sex will ignore what one of their own does because >muh women voting
I guess that’s probably the biggest thing I’m against Regan for, but I liked his policy towards the USSR, and the trickle down economics (no, it wasn’t perfect, but at the time of recovering from the Carter years, it was necessary). Though, it’s impossible to have the “perfect president” because if you read enough into them, you’ll find at least one thing you disagree with. It’s a shame future politicians took the wrong lessons from Regan though. His USSR policy today would be considered too friendly, as he tried to form a decent relationship with Gorby, but the attempts at mutual understanding are what led to the fall of the USSR (which was based).

To bring it more on topic, I’m still glad Hillary lost. Just because it’s a woman doesn’t mean I want them as president for that alone.
 
sometimes it's as young as 40... it's all about what insurance will cover... don't ask me how I know...
50 is the typical screening age it is recommended and covered by insurance companies for the typical man without heightened risk/indicators. If a man is of African/Caribbean descent, has a first degree relative with prostate cancer, or 2 larger family members with it, or a personal condition that suggests screening is warranted, it can be done earlier.

Typical recs (again, excluding the racial, family history and genetic indicators of higher risk):
  • ACS says 50
  • John’s Hopkins says 55
  • MD Anderson says 45
  • Medicare says 50
  • Mount Sinai says > 55
  • Tricare says 50
  • CDC recommends 55-69 make an informed decision
  • Mayo says “50s” should consider
  • NIH in 2022 went with a conservative recommendation of 45 after a survey of these:
The American Academy of Family Physicians (AAFP)

  • Recommends against routine PSA screening.
  • Men aged 55 to 69 years considering periodic PSA testing should engage in collaborative decision-making regarding the risks and benefits of screening.
  • Screening for prostate cancer in men aged greater than 70 years is not recommended.[29]
The American Cancer Society (ACS)

  • Asymptomatic men with less than a 10-year life expectancy must receive information about risks, benefits, and uncertainties associated with prostate cancer screening before making an informed decision.
  • Average-risk men should receive this information beginning at the age of 50 years.
  • Men at high risk (e.g., Black men or those with a family history of prostate cancer, particularly a first-degree relative diagnosed before 65 years of age) should receive this information before the age of 50 years.[30]
American Urological Association (AUA)

  • Recommends against PSA screening for men less than 40 years of age.
  • Does not recommend routine PSA screening for men aged 40 to 54 years at average risk
  • The decision regarding screening should be individualized for those under 55 years of age who are deemed at increased risk.
  • For men aged 55 to 69 years, the decision to undergo screening must involve weighing the risks against the benefits; in this age group, shared decision-making must take into consideration the values and preferences of the patient.
  • For men who have made a shared decision with the provider and agreed to proceed with screening, the routine screening interval may be two years or more to reduce the harm of screening.
  • Recommends against PSA screening in men over 70 years of age and any men with a life expectancy of less than 10 to 15 years.[7]
The Canadian Task Force on Preventive Health Care

  • Recommends against PSA-based screening for prostate cancer.[31]
The European Association of Urology (EAU)

  • Patients considering PSA testing should have a life expectancy of at least 10 to 15 years and be counseled on the potential risks and benefits.
  • Patients at low risk can be safely screened every two years. Low risk is defined as having a negative family history, a PSA <1 ng/mL at 40 years, or <2 ng/mL at 60 years of age.
  • Patients at average risk should consider starting screening at 50 years of age.
  • Men at higher risk (African descent, family history of prostate cancer) should start screening at age 45.
  • Men with known BRCA2 mutations should start screening starting at the age of 40 years.
The US Preventive Services Task Force (USPSTF)

  • In men aged 55 to 69, the decision to undergo periodic PSA screening should be an individual one after a thorough upfront discussion between the physician and patient regarding the risks, benefits, and limitations of such screening incorporating the patient's values and values preferences.[1]
  • Recommends against routine PSA screening in men age 70 years and older as treatment statistically offers minimal survival benefit, which does not outweigh the significant treatment side effects and morbidities for most men.[1]
Which Guideline to Follow?

With no consensus guideline, each healthcare provider must decide which protocol to follow.[24] Topics of consideration include:

  • It is recommended and good practice to have a meaningful, frank, and well-documented discussion of the pros and cons of PSA screenings with every male patient within the recommended age group of 45 to 75 years.
  • It is unreasonable to perform screenings in patients who are unlikely to accept any therapy even if a treatable cancer were found.
  • It is unreasonable to perform screenings in men over age 75 or with a reasonable life expectancy of <10 years based on age or comorbidities.
  • For patients who request a PSA test after a comprehensive review of the risks and benefits, it is usually preferable to perform the examination even if the indications are questionable or outside of guidelines.
  • It typically takes a small, localized, moderately aggressive (Gleason 4) untreated prostate cancer at least ten years to become symptomatic, possibly metastatic, and potentially harmful to the patient. This is why there is an age restriction on PSA screenings.
  • According to the Social Security Administration, the typical 70-year-old American male with reasonable health enjoys an average life expectancy of 14 years and three months.
  • At age 75, the average male life expectancy is about 11 years. Life expectancy does not reach ten years until age 77.
  • Prostate cancer is relatively rare in individuals younger than 50 years, as it only accounts for about 1% to 3% of all such malignancies; it tends to be aggressive when it occurs.
Considering these topics suggest that it may be reasonable to recommend PSA screening for informed, selected individuals with general good health starting at age 45 up to age 75. In addition, it is reasonable to encourage even earlier screenings (at ages 40 to 45) in high-risk individuals. High-risk individuals may include but not be limited to men of African descent or ethnicity, men with a family history of prostate cancer, men with a family history of multiple cancers or Lynch syndrome, and men with a known high-risk genomic mutation such as BRCA1 or BRCA2 mutations.

Apparently, high priority is placed on “considering” screening, due to potential downsides (from Mayo):
  • Elevated PSA levels can have other causes, such as benign prostate enlargement (benign prostatic hyperplasia) or prostate infection (prostatitis). These false-positives are common.
  • Some prostate cancers may not produce much PSA. It's possible to have what's known as a "false-negative" — a test result that incorrectly indicates you don't have prostate cancer when you do.
  • Follow-up tests to check out the cause of an elevated PSA test can be invasive, stressful, expensive or time-consuming.
  • Living with a slow-growing prostate cancer that doesn't need treatment might cause stress and anxiety.

@Friend of Dorothy Parker

That's not the point I'm making though. excruciating realize sometimes pain /discomfort etc are necessary when it comes to medical tests and procedures but when it comes to diagnostics female kind is being fucked in the ass. Because something like a breast exam shouldn't have to be painful.

So, we have money, science and resources to look for bugs on other planets but not to make cancer testing bearable for female kind?

Women have been banned (by men) from getting education and going into science for centuries. By the time we were allowed to we had things like mammograms and speculums, and new inventions simply wouldn't be worth it, from financial perspective , for governments and insurance companies. And we just grin and bear it, I'm sorry but fuck that.
Didn’t disagree with you on the medical/ healthcare discrimination/ sub-par attention to women’s health/ deficit in R&D dollars for improvements in women-specific devices/techniques.

Rolling back, I just said that the pain or discomfort of mammograms shouldn’t be exaggerated as excruciating for all women, because getting them is better than not getting them. And I say that even though my own mother’s cancer wasn’t detected by one, and her male healthcare providers dismissed her correct concerns, to a degree that changed her life and health dramatically. Maybe they're not the ideal first-line diagnostic, but that’s because they miss things, not because squishing breasts is uncomfortable.

But also, speculums are hardly torture devices. They are kind of creepy-sounding but do the job, which is opening you up enough to see what needs to be seen and to be able to scrape what needs scraping. Are you aware of more “friendly” devices that do the same but just haven’t gotten the funding or approvals to be broadly adopted? I’d be interested in seeing that! But generally, respect if you feel comfort should be a top priority. I personally consider it a secondary concern. As I said, my main things are that 1) discrimination or other inequities aside, women take care of their bodies and aren’t put off by fear-mongering about what is essentially a momentary pain/discomfort; big picture; and 2) I’d prioritize more effective diagnostics/ treatment over comfort.
 
@Friend of Dorothy Parker

"Are you aware of more “friendly” devices that do the same but just haven’t gotten the funding or approvals to be broadly adopted? I’d be interested in seeing that! "

Halo Speculum invented by a woman:.


Currently in use in quite a few gyno clinics, private of course.

The price for it was $70 in 2021, the regular metal one you can buy for $15.


As for your comment about discomfort, again , I am not talking about discomfort. I am talking about excruciating pain. There is a difference between being uncomfortable and being put through the pain that causes many women to pass out during mammograms. It's an unnecessary torture when modern medicine has so many solutions for these things.

When I sprained my ankle and went to the hospital they hooked me up to morphine, and I wasnt even in that much pain. When you go to the dentist they give lidocaine, you can even ask for it when having your teeth cleaned. But when you're going for a mammogram and having your tit flattened by a device invented during WW2 it's supposed to be a "discomfort'.

Furthermore, if people think it's in woman's best interest to get a mammogram, then everything should be done to ensure the above mentioned woman signs up for the test without fear, and that the procedure doesn't result in a trauma that would stop her from ever having it done again.
 
they ban women from women hating thread but don't ban men from the men hating thread.

Men have been welcome here from the start, as long as they're being respectful. There's only a couple of men here, plus @Dyn ; but Dyn doesn't really count. He respects women too much to identify as a man really. In fact, he probably doesn't even have traditional male genitals anymore. I think they've probably been absorbed back into his body, leaving a crotch that resembles a Ken doll's.
 
Men have been welcome here from the start, as long as they're being respectful. There's only a couple of men here, plus @Dyn ; but Dyn doesn't really count. He respects women too much to identify as a man really. In fact, he probably doesn't even have traditional male genitals anymore. I think they've probably been absorbed back into his body, leaving a crotch that resembles a Ken doll's.
Every woman I've ever slept with has said my penis is "nice", "cute" or "not that bad", so clearly I have nothing to worry about in that department.
 
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