Official Kiwi Farms Man-Hate Thread

[Friend of Dorothy Parker]

I don't think anybody gave Harvey Weinstein

He had a free pass for 40 years.

It was an open secret that you shouldn't go to his hotel room alone.

it was more an open secret that you had to.

Whether that was because of his liberal politics or because he controlled access to a valuable scarce resource is somewhat arguable, I suppose.

It was because he had immense power and because everyone accepted that that's how things are. It still is, even if he is not in the mix.

actresses used to be considered even lower than whores

Not really. Sus, maybe "effectively," but not literally or"lower than."

 

[Big Miss Steak]

Hello, long time reader first time poster.

I’m frustrated by the insistence from moids that women commit “just as/almost as much” sexual violence as men and try to “prove” it with some shitty research papers with dodgy conclusions likely done random MRA. Sorry, I’m just not buying that there’s tons of women with rape dungeons that we just don’t hear about. I think there are negative behaviors that women tend to have that men don’t if I’m being honest, but sexual violence is 99% a male thing and they need to stop coping about it.

I feel like even the men know it but there’s nothing they love more than pointlessly debating about everything.

Got in an argument/debate with a male acquaintance of mine recently who argued that men are sexually assaulted at a similar rate as women. He provided a link to a study that I can't be assed to find at the moment but the study said they took a sampling over the course of a year or so and found that men are sexually assaulted at a similar rate as women. It was just an abstract iirc but the suspicious things I noted and pointed out to my friend were:

1. The study sample included men in prison but did not clarify what percentage of the sample size were inmates
2. The study did not specify the sample size
3. The study did not specify the ages of the men
4. The study considered "being forced/coerced to penetrate" as sexual assault which is just way too broad
5. The study did not specify if they were going off of anecdotes or reports

I pointed out that every single study based on hard numbers and with clear sample sizes shows that men commit 95% of sexual assaults and women are the victims 90% of the time. He blew this off by saying men just don't report assault. I pointed out that men not reporting assault would not account for such a large gap. I pointed out that the study he had linked included inmates who are feral animals half the time, he said that prison rape is overblown. I pointed out that studies show that sexual assaults are common in prison. I pointed out that if women can't call coercion rape, then neither can men. I pointed out that common logic dictates that predators will a) target victims they are sexually attracted to (most men are straight and like women) and b) target victims they can overpower (again, women). This failed to compute with him and he just kept defaulting to "men don't report it." Then what the hell are you basing your conclusions on, nothing?

I see two kinds of people pushing the narrative that men are assaulted as much as women. Rabid genderfluids who want to deny the fact that women are physically weaker than men, and redpill-type men who want to act like men have it worse than women in every measurable aspect.

 

[Hassou Tobi]

-Whenever anyone conveniently googles up a study I’m suspicious of it anyway. Look at how the trannys and their fans love to show you those “1% regret rate” papers in favor of cutting their dicks off which all turned out to be BS.

Unless of course it’s a paper or article dunking on trannies, then I’m all for it. See the 50% of Tims in prisons are sex criminals study from Canada someone posted earlier. Though we know it’s a similar composition whenever they study what tims are in jail for.

-yes they often default to “men don’t report it” and “justice system doesn’t take it seriously”. Often with just the assertion that these things are so. Well why not argue about how many angels can dance on a pin at this point.

-Also, am I getting this straight, do men watch this thread silently fuming so they can put moon reacts to posts here they don’t like?

 

[Safir]

I'm not sure if I saw it mentioned here or somewhere else, but I read someone say a while ago where they thought the concept of marriage to a man was essentially longform prostitution, and it's been stuck in my brain. What are your all's thoughts on that? When I think about it, it could make sense in certain contexts, like with tradmoids and their utopia where women can't have bank accounts or do much of Jack shit else except to shack up with a moid.

This is now outdated but was true when Dworkin wrote it. Women couldn't get good jobs because of their sex, were often fired from jobs after getting married, couldn't have bank accounts or do much of jack shit else, couldn't support the children in case of a divorce, and most importantly marital rape was legal.

Here's the timeline of marital rape criminalization from that Wikipedia article, enriched with extra data so you could see how geopolitical enemies compare:

1922: Soviet Union (founded Dec 30 1922)
1932: Poland
1950: Czechoslovakia, some other Communist countries
1965: Sweden
1971: Norway
1976: Italy
1977: Slovenia (as part of Yugoslavia)
1979: Belgium
1980: Israel
1981: NSW (Australia)
1983: Canada
1985: New Zealand
1989: Austria, Scotland
1990: Ireland
1991: England and Wales, Liechtenstein, Netherlands
1992: Australia, Spain, Switzerland
1978 - 1993: United States
1993: South Africa
1994: Cyprus, Finland, France, Luxembourg
1996: Colombia
1997: Germany
1999: Chile
2000: Namibia
2001: Zimbabwe
2002: Serbia
2003: Bosnia and Herzegovina, Papua New Guinea
2005: Cambodia, Turkey
2006: Greece, Liberia, Nepal
2007: Ghana, Malaysia, Mauritius, Thailand
2009: Rwanda, Suriname
2012: Nicaragua, Sierra Leone
2013: Bolivia, Samoa, South Korea, Tonga
no year given: Singapore, Qatar, Taiwan
(highlighted rape-loving "civilized" countries in yellow)

Notable countries where it's legal: China, India, Nigeria, Pakistan, North Korea, Palestine, Saudi Arabia, UAE, Yemen, Iran, Afghanistan

-yes they often default to “men don’t report it” and “justice system doesn’t take it seriously”. Often with just the assertion that these things are so. Well why not argue about how many angels can dance on a pin at this point.

Scrotes use the same excuse to explain their insistence women commit equal amounts of spouse beatings -- except men don't get killed by their wives at nearly the same rate. Women do commit about 60% of child beatings, still vastly less than men in terms of beatings per child and especially per person*hour of childcare.

(On a side note, I support beating children when they commit an act that would be a crime if not for their age.)

 

[𝕺𝖑' 𝕯𝖎𝖗𝖙𝖞 𝕱𝖆𝖙𝖘𝖔]

This failed to compute with him and he just kept defaulting to "men don't report it." Then what the hell are you basing your conclusions on, nothing?

Women don't officially report it very often either, so idfk what he's on about. The vast majority of rapists will never face any consequences either because the victim didn't report it to police or because there isn't enough legally admissible evidence to convict someone when it is reported (which is an unfortunate reality of rape and why it's different from other violent crimes).

Most women who have just been raped do not want to have to go through a rape kit exam because it's even more trauma and shame to have medical staff poking around their vag for hours right after having been violated (and it has to be done as quickly as possible. I'm pretty sure simply taking a shower or changing clothes fucks up the quality of evidence). it can also be difficult to talk to police if the victim was involved with something like drugs or underage drinking when it happened.

And on top of that, most male victims of rape are raped by other men, not by women, so it's fucking retarded to use as a gotcha against women since they're doing it to themselves anyway.

 

[Big Miss Steak]

Also, am I getting this straight, do men watch this thread silently fuming so they can put moon reacts to posts here they don’t like?

Yes

And on top of that, most male victims of rape are raped by other men, not by women, so it's fucking retarded to use as a gotcha against women since they're doing it to themselves anyway.

I pointed out that even if men are raped as often as women, it's still men doing the raping and that got him fuming

 

[Inside your walls]

His Twitter timeline is full of anime girls btw

 

[Fareal]

I'm not sure if I saw it mentioned here or somewhere else, but I read someone say a while ago where they thought the concept of marriage to a man was essentially longform prostitution, and it's been stuck in my brain. What are your all's thoughts on that? When I think about it, it could make sense in certain contexts, like with tradmoids and their utopia where women can't have bank accounts or do much of Jack shit else except to shack up with a moid.

On that note, fuck conservative and liberal moids. I don't remember who said this, but the saying goes something like "Conservative men see women as private property, and liberal men see women as public property" and I fully believe this rings true. I don't trust any fucking guy who leans way too hard into either ideology.

when Twisty was still blogging, she had a saying "Marriage is the best deal a woman can make under patriarchy."

I don't think she was wrong. I have a trashfire marriage which would be considered 'traditional' in US polisperg lingo. The phrase more commonly used here is "coercively controlling".

Spoiler: anger

I, and much more importantly, my kids, are completely dependent for food, shelter, clothing, every necessity of life on a moid who is more than aware of this and uses that power in exactly the way a john uses it over a street sex worker. My children needed new shoes and a new round of school uniform last year. I was told when I presented my itemised and costed list, in accordance with house rules, that there would no such purchases made unless I agreed to allow (by which moid meant, not report to police) a particular nonconsensual sexual act that caused me to need emergency medical treatment the last time I was subjected to it. (Not 'consensual nonconsent'. That doesn't do it for him. Actual, proper, nonconsent is what he subjects me to. Rape, in other words.)

I sent my mother in law screenshots of the text conversation. She sent me the money for the uniform. She tried to upbraid him for his conduct. He howled abuse at her in her own house in front of the children, threatened her with violence if she told police, and left.

I have no job, no access to more than twenty or thirty pounds at any given time, no family who will take in my unemployed self and my brood, and a tracker on my car. If I call police he will instantly be suspended from his job, so no child support from that quarter. He will not agree to pay any childcare because looking after children is my job, apparently. I tried the hardball tactic of just leaving the kids in his care. Every time I did it, one of them had an "accident" that landed them in accident and emergency. They were all barely verbal at the time, so too young to give any evidence that police would have been willing to rely on. Yes, I asked the questions of the medical staff. I expressed the concerns. No one believes respected doctors would do that kind of thing, though. I have one of those long histories of anti depressant use (who would be surprised) that makes it just plausible for him to play the concerned senior professional trying to care for the fragile and slightly hysterical wife. My parents have returned me, distressed, occasionally visibly injured, and in two cases, barefoot and in nightwear, to his house. They say marriage doesn't work out for everyone, and remind me that he's what they felt would be best for me. They handed me over to this fucker. They have confirmed they will support any attempt he makes to have custody of the children if I leave because "none of you can stay here". I won't be separated from them because I do not trust him not to harm them to get back at me. He is at his best grossly neglectful and indifferent to their needs. I returned from hospital after two days once to find he had not fed two preschoolers for over 48 hours. My siblings fear his capacity for violence and want nothing to do with the entire mess.

I thought I was very clever. I spent a lifetime learning the law so that I could help other mothers and fathers out of shitty predicaments like this. I was good at fighting other people's battles for them. Meanwhile, the frog boiled, and things slowly slowly got worse and worse. This motherfucker has me done up like a kipper, at least until his greed overwhelms him and he agrees to send me back out to work. Then we are going to get the fuck out of here. But until then, the fact I won't be the cause of the harm of the children keeps me here, keeps me sweet, keeps me silent. I have to turn tricks for the grocery money every week. Sometimes it's all too much for me and I go to my parents in law for the money. They are too ashamed of what they raised to say no. They are too frightened of retaliation to take us in.

But hey. At least if he kills me, the police will take that crime seriously, unlike if I was working the streets. At least they will bother to interview a suspect.

You ask for so little, and moids give even less. I don't bother with the #NotAllMen bullshit. It doesn't matter that it's #NotAllMen. It's enough of them, and a lot more than enough who avert their eyes from what they see happening every day, because it would be inconvenient to express their disapproval.

I hate the moid who raised me, obedience trained me, and sold me off to propitiate my mother more than I know how to put into words. I will go to his funeral only to be sure with my own eyes that they actually burn him. The moid he palmed me off on, well, the great hope of my life is to live just long enough to piss on his fucking grave. The moids that claim kin to me were happy enough for me to care for them and shelter them from our crazy mother, to take their beatings, to scrape and beg and borrow as a kid myself to make sure they were taken care of and got their good educations and good careers, and now they find it inconvenient and embarrassing that some kind of Hallmark holiday horror is playing out in front of them. Sometimes I wish I had left the spineless little bastards to it and let the devil take the hindmost, but that is not the person I wanted to be.

Sisters, do nothing for moids. They will do nothing for you. The one who cry and bitch about how "men are always suffering to protect wahmen" are just making that shit up. Pigs will fly before a moid considers a woman's pain of more importance than his comfort and convenience. Always put yourself first. No other cunt will.

 

[FarmVille]

Come on. Weinstein got a free pass for years and years. It was an open secret that you shouldn't go to his hotel room alone. Whether that was because of his liberal politics or because he controlled access to a valuable scarce resource is somewhat arguable, I suppose. But the people who covered for him -- the employees of his company, the actors, the journalists, the lawyers -- we can fairly safely assume that they were ALL left leaning.

It really grinds my gears how many retards on this site pretend they can’t tell the difference between people with leftist beliefs and business owners who donate to democrats because they live in a state where democrats control the seats of power.

Weinstein wasn’t some bleeding heart liberal he had a business that was incorporated in California.

Do you think business owners in Kentucky give money to state Republicans because they genuinely give a fuck about banning elementary school books?

 

[Blackhole]

His Twitter timeline is full of anime girls btw
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Nothing is wrong with his statement, he's correct. Unfortunately he is an anime avatar so we will have to euthanize him. And the rape baby.

From what I remember, Twisty was very pro-trans rights which isn't common among most radfems even though the important second wave thinkers like Dworkin were also pro.

Dworkin was pro-tranny?

 

[FarmVille]

Not too derail this thread too much, but handmaidens most of the time are ones that admire troons from distance, only to realize the gravity of what they're supporting when they meet a troon IRL. It's that or them being still handmaidening for troons because of the sunk cost fallacy.

I don’t think posters here realize how new the concept of heterosexual troons is to the majority of people out there.

I wouldn’t be surprised if the majority still believe only gays troon out. A lot of Handmaidens think they’re defending their imaginary gay bff from drag race.

When I was a teenager/early 20s the only TIFs I had heard of were hardcore dykes. It was absolutely bizarre to me when I started seeing male “lesbians” appear on dating apps.

 

[I'm a Silly]

I hate the moid who raised me,

i'll be doing whatever atheists/lapsed churchgoers do in lieu of prayer that you get somewhere safe as soon as possible.
when you know he could have protected you from the momster, when you remember that -- with all the shit that happened, i thank my marginally lucky stars that i was too fucking weird and stubborn to ever deviate from my no kids no marriage pledge at age 8, bc i could see my future in what passed for parents -- thanks for making me feel like a weirdo, dad, if that was all you could do, but you know it wasn't.

 

[Moldy Fleshlight]

I don't think she was wrong. I have a trashfire marriage which would be considered 'traditional' in US polisperg lingo. The phrase more commonly used here is "coercively controlling".

Men lurking the thread, take fucking note. Even if it's not real to you, this is real, unfiltered shit you will not read or see women talk about openly almost anywhere else. It's been said before, but this thread is incredibly valuable for the way it allows women to actually express ourselves without men to police our expression. Men genuinely have no fucking idea how self censoring we have to be. If this stuff makes you as men uncomfortable, it should. It's the reality of way too many women.

You deserve better than all those fuckers, @Fareal . I hope you can get out with your kids safe and soon.

 

[Howslans]

Fucking hell @Fareal, I don’t want to go all mumsnet on you but this isn’t normal, healthy or legal. You deserve better than to be treated like this and need to be setting a better example of relationships for your kids. Please consider getting away - there are lots and lots of people and organisations out there who can take care of you and your kids while you re establish yourself away from rapists and abusers. Here are links to the main ones that I’m sure you already know, guessing youre a bong.

https://refuge.org.uk/
https://www.womensaid.org.uk/
https://www.nationaldahelpline.org.uk/

edit cos formatting

 

[Swole McPole]

Dworkin was pro-tranny?

According to her "husband", John Stoltenberg, she was.

Andrea Dworkin Was Not Transphobic

That said, lots of people had no issue with men dressing as women and masturbating in front of the mirror back in the 70's, 80's and 90's. It wasn't until they started invading women-only spaces and suggesting to children that it might be a good idea to start taking irreversable medications that it really became an issue for many people.

I'd be surprised if Andrea had no issue with today's troons. I'm pretty sure she'd see them for exactly what they are.

 

[Ass Dan]

when Twisty was still blogging, she had a saying "Marriage is the best deal a woman can make under patriarchy."

I miss Twisty. What a crackup she was.

Your story wrecked my heart. I hope you and your children are able to escape and find peace. The best possible outcome for men like your abuser is accidentally driving under a semi on the freeway and getting decapitated.

 

[FiveStarAce]

Maybe it's my european village boy romanticism (and i'm assuming you guys are 'murrican), but wtf is with that American mindset that relationships are always about Power dynamics or exchanges of goods and Services? Whenever i read you guys writing about relationships it almost reads like a fight. Just a difference i noticed

 

[Eggman's Ghost]

Holy shit @Fareal that is one of the craziest and most upsetting things I've ever read. You are being abused in an insanely brazen way. How do we save you? I'm so serious.

Maybe it's my european village boy romanticism (and i'm assuming you guys are 'murrican), but wtf is with that American mindset that relationships are always about Power dynamics or exchanges of goods and Services? Whenever i read you guys writing about relationships it almost reads like a fight. Just a difference i noticed

It's been that way here since the 50's. American marriage has always been framed as the woman more or less becoming another possession of the man's. This then got culturally canonized with the idea of the "nuclear family" and we have yet to recover from this societally. Men just fully expect a bangmaid in a relationship now, with no help or input from them.

 

[Justa Grata Honoria]

Maybe it's my european village boy romanticism (and i'm assuming you guys are 'murrican), but wtf is with that American mindset that relationships are always about Power dynamics or exchanges of goods and Services? Whenever i read you guys writing about relationships it almost reads like a fight. Just a difference i noticed

Its everywhere where English is very well spoken Norway is same the amount of men under 30 who never had gf, or went on dates spewing I don't wanna pay child support for a child I don't see, i hope there isn't any children lol. I wouldn't lie about it nor the women i know won't because a) its Norway outside of oslo most of the places are small if she lies sooner or later you will find out, b ) child support is a joke you can outright abandon your children for mere 2500 nok or 250$ per child since the government provides the government doesn't bother to make sure men actually pay their share nor to force them to pay whatever pittance are ordered to if they leave the country. Most men were stunned when i wasn't interested in wasting date in an expensive restaurant but playing board games going to the beach or foraging, walking etc. i just wanted to do something instead of sitting in one place chewing shit food and have akward conversation. Apparently some shitty clickbait articles is poisoning men everywhere that women use men for money or something.

I also saw few of the incels who post on incel forums their photos in the local area so no is global. You haven't hit on their tarded counterparts yet in your country thats it.

 

[CryptidRetard]

Maybe it's my european village boy romanticism (and i'm assuming you guys are 'murrican), but wtf is with that American mindset that relationships are always about Power dynamics or exchanges of goods and Services? Whenever i read you guys writing about relationships it almost reads like a fight. Just a difference i noticed

At risk of sounding like a communist, I think it's the permeation of capitalism into every level of American society. But I'm also not American