Official Kiwi Farms Man-Hate & Woman-Hate Thread-Hate Thread

[AgendaPoster]

Imma just ask you as a man a genuine question if you’d let me. As a man yourself, if you didn’t have the biological urge to procreate and fuck women what would you use us for? Do you genuinely think you’d still like us and furthermore, how do you think men would have reacted to women if they didn’t want to fuck us back in the caveman days? With love? Righteous indignation? Or food maybe? Idk you tell me

May I point you to the "Plummeting birth rates" topic?
What do you mean "other uses"? Is this some trick question?

 

[AmberHeardSupporter]

Well I met this woman recently that was just fun to talk to. We just kinda met during a meeting and started talking about things and wouldn't stop talking, walking as slow as possible until we reached the train station and even then it was like, nah let's just keep talking ahaha. Eventually she had to bail back to her city some 7 hours away. It was great because she had a different perspective on things because she was female and could pick up on those certain things maybe we can't while I picked up on other things.

and you thought she was attractive didnt you? Would you still have think so fondly of this experience if she was old and ugly?

I mean a large function of our interpersonal relationship is everything that has to do with family and stuff. So we evolved to do different things. Like women pick up on details more easily, men see the bigger picture better. Women are thus good secretaries and despite other aspects make for excellent snipers.

Part of love is sexual. But yeah I don't know man what would have happened for sure you know. What, you think we'd just kill you?

truly, or at least oppressed us even more. Gay men get treated like how women would if we didn’t serve a purpose to you and look how disgusted men are by faggots. I mean they are disgusting but still. Men think femininity is degrading, which is why male humiliation fetishists pretend to be women, because what’s more humiliating than lowering yourself to a foid of all things. It’s why in bullshit Roman and Greek times, the men who were bottoms in gay sex were treated as outcasts in their society because they took on a feminine role. It’s why majority female hobbies are majority female hobbies only that straight men never partake in. There’s no hobby men do that no woman likes unless it’s related to their biology. Men wont even watch chick flicks. Men do not like women and I’ll stand by that

The whole question is impossible because we wouldn't have evolved the way we have if we didn't procreate this way. And since even gay men had a role in tribes, well probably some of the women that became shamans or "wise women" or what ever were women men didn't fuck.

What do you like about women outside of sex? Can you name anything that’s not directly related to you, like how you like your mom or something. Name one woman you view as a role model. Do you even have one?

May I point you to the "Plummeting birth rates" topic?
What do you mean "other uses"? Is this some trick question?

You know what I meant by this and thank you for proving my point. I guess this question is open to all moids. Whats Your opinion?

 

[Kiwiballs]

and you thought she was attractive didnt you? Would you still have think so fondly of this experience if she was old and ugly?

She was kinda chubby and complained about it but I found her cute. I talk to everyone that's interesting to talk to. Why would it be different if they are a man or a woman? In fact again, the woman thing makes it more interesting because of the added unique perspective.

What do you like about women outside of sex? Can you name anything that’s not directly related to you, like how you like your mom or something. Name one woman you view as a role model. Do you even have one?

Joan of Arc and Eva Peron.

Men think femininity is degrading, which is why male humiliation fetishists pretend to be women, because what’s more humiliating than lowering yourself to a foid of all things. It’s why in bullshit Roman and Greek times, the men who were bottoms in gay sex were treated as outcasts in their society because they took on a feminine role. It’s why majority female hobbies are majority female hobbies only that straight men never partake in. There’s no hobby men do that no woman likes unless it’s related to their biology. Men wont even watch chick flicks. Men do not like women and I’ll stand by that

I mean until this whole post modernist schism thingy women didn't really participate in male hobbies either except for exceptions in both cases. Since there are always outliers I guess it's good that it's more open in both directions. But anyway, the duality of things serves us as a species, that's kinda the whole point. And obviously there are universal hobbies that both sides enjoy to various degrees.

Why do you so insist to be as a man, or rather do as men do? Why do you find the traditional lot of the woman so oppressive? Maybe you're an outlier, its something in general we as a humanity have had to understand. That there are outliers. So now we kinda accept that.

 

[AmberHeardSupporter]

She was kinda chubby and complained about it but I found her cute. I talk to everyone that's interesting to talk to. Why would it be different if they are a man or a woman? In fact again, the woman thing makes it more interesting because of the added unique perspective.

I knew it. You spoke about her with affection. You wouldnt even be relaying this convo if you didn’t think she was cute. But alright.

Joan of Arc and Eva Peron.

Ok cool enough picks I guess

 

[AgendaPoster]

You know what I meant by this and thank you for proving my point. I guess this question is open to all moids. Whats Your opinion?

First of all, sexual attraction would remain even if the procreation was removed from the equation.
But if we removed all the biology around sex, anything that creates arousal and desire (which is not unique to men), I guess we would treat you as weaker men, so you would still end up dominated, but it would be worse because you would literally have nothing unique to offer.
This is the reason I warned quite a few times about ditching reproduction and embracing tech like artificial wombs or AI sexbots. You really, really, really don't want, as a female, to lose your main assets.
Now, of course chicks can do science and be smart too, but what's the point if men can also do that and are stronger, and more violent, and quite happy to use violence to compete?
Hating men won't fix any of this though. Just as hating women won't fix incels dying seething virgins.
The only solution is coming to terms with these limitations, stop seething, and enjoy your life

 

[AmberHeardSupporter]

Why do you so insist to be as a man, or rather do as men do? Why do you find the traditional lot of the woman so oppressive? Maybe you're an outlier, it’s something in general we as a humanity have had to understand. That there are outliers. So now we kinda accept that.

Because it literally is oppressive why can’t you get that? How is not being allowed to participate in society and being viewed as barely sentient wombs throughout all of history not oppressive? How is not being able to open your own bank accounts until the 70s not oppressive, how is Roman emperors not even naming you and referring to you as numbers like you’re cattle not oppressive? Women are not beneath men and wishing to be seen as a full person capable of thought and ambitions outside of being pregnant and chained to an oven is not wanting to be like men. It’s wanting to be human

First of all, sexual attraction would remain even if the procreation was removed from the equation.
But if we removed all the biology around sex, anything that creates arousal and desire (which is not unique to men), I guess we would treat you as weaker men, so you would still end up dominated, but it would be worse because you would literally have nothing unique to offer.
This is the reason I warned quite a few times about ditching reproduction and embracing tech like artificial wombs or AI sexbots. You really, really, really don't want, as a female, to lose your main assets.

obviously. I know what men think of women

Now, of course chicks can do science and be smart too, but what's the point if men can also do that and are stronger, and more violent, and quite happy to use violence to compete?
Hating men won't fix any of this though. Just as hating women won't fix incels dying seething virgins.
The only solution is coming to terms with these limitations, stop seething, and enjoy your life

Thank you for proving my point. This is basically what I believe. I don’t know why I shouldn’t hate men because this paragraph just incites it but yeah i appreciate the response

 

[AgendaPoster]

Thank you for proving my point. This is basically what I believe. I don’t know why I shouldn’t hate men because this paragraph just incites it but yeah i appreciate the response

This is not a matter of belief, but of biological reality.
You need to understand something. Life is deeply, deeply unfair. I work in a hospital. I've seen babies born without a brain. People completely mangled up by cars and work accidents. Suffering is literally endless. The fact that we both can type and have a laugh on some website is an immense privilege, just like having food and shelter, or living in a country at peace.
Women are not inferior, they are simply the female half of the species which comes with some specific disadvantages. It's not something males imposed on women out of their sheer evil, it's just a consequence of biology and anatomy.
That does not mean that men should try to humiliate you or make your condition even worse, quite the contrary. But men also cannot be expected to act humanely and compassionately if openly hated.
Only compromise and an attempt at yin-yang harmony can work. Mutual understanding, empathy, collaboration.
You can choose to seethe but it cannot bring you anything of worth. No amount of indian dudes with smashed heads can fix your life.

 

[Kiwiballs]

Because it literally is oppressive why can’t you get that? How is not being allowed to participate in society and being viewed as barely sentient wombs throughout all of history not oppressive? How is not being able to open your own bank accounts until the 70s not oppressive, how is Roman emperors not even naming you and referring to you as numbers like your cattle not oppressive? Women are not beneath men and wishing to be seen as a full person capable of thought and ambitions outside of being pregnant and chained to an oven is not wanting to be like men. It’s wanting to be human

But you have your own society and your own hobbies, you just mentioned that. Why seek out the male ones? I didn't know that about Roman emperors, in what context did that happen? Seems pretty oppresive, yes.

Did you know about this Roman queen though?

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Agrippina_the_Younger

Or this: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Messalina

Or: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Poppaea_Sabina

The power behind the throne was a plenty a woman. Often for the reasons I listed before.
Maybe it's out of necessity, the way Jews became money lenders because they were offered fewer more direct options.


But even when women did not rule directly or run the men that ruled they still had influence in many other ways by holding the family together (Ulrika Eleonora of Denmark), by bringing about religious transformation (Saint Helena) , sponsoring and running arts or cultural projects, or simply indeed running the household and making the palace function.

Women aren't beneath men but are generally different and evolved for different things.
The outliers usually find a way out, or die struggling for it. That makes things exciting and drives our evolution.

 

[AmberHeardSupporter]

This is not a matter of belief, but of biological reality.
You need to understand something. Life is deeply, deeply unfair. I work in a hospital. I've seen babies born without a brain. People completely mangled up by cars and work accidents. Suffering is literally endless. The fact that we both can type and have a laugh on some website is an immense privilege, just like having food and shelter, or living in a country at peace.
Women are not inferior, they are simply the female half of the species which comes with some specific disadvantages. It's not something males imposed on women out of their sheer evil, it's just a consequence of biology and anatomy.

no, but because of these differences men did impose unnecessarily mean and cruel practices on us. Why else would men make it illegal for women to go to the cinema, or for women to have their own money? What about the great Aristotle that called women broken and incomplete males? All that cruelty just because we’re weaker than you?

That does not mean that men should try to humiliate you or make your condition even worse, quite the contrary. But men also cannot be expected to act humanely and compassionately if openly hated.

but women should have to act humanely in the face of mens hatred? I tried for years to be normal but I will never forget all the vile inhumanity men have said and done to women. Why can’t i be angry?

Only compromise and an attempt at yin-yang harmony can work. Mutual understanding, empathy, collaboration.

Right. Except for when it comes to men’s constant violence towards us that’s viewed as a casual backdrop in society? Where’s all the calls for piece and harmony when men declared war on us?

You can choose to seethe but it cannot bring you anything of worth. No amount of indian dudes with smashed heads can fix your life.

No but it makes me happy

 

[Gog & Magog]

@AmberHeardSupporter has a dry canal. Hasn't seen a drop of water in years!

 

[AmberHeardSupporter]

But you have your own society and your own hobbies, you just mentioned that. Why seek out the male ones?

I’m not saying im seeking out male hobbies I’m saying that men are disgusted by any hobby or media surrounding women in a way that women aren’t. Men actively turn their nose up and look in contempt of women’s media probably because men are utilitarian and the standard for all humanity while women are an “other”. Not their equals

But even when women did not rule directly or run the men that ruled they still had influence in many other ways by holding the family together (Ulrika Eleonora of Denmark), by bringing about religious transformation (Saint Helena) , sponsoring and running arts or cultural projects, or simply indeed running the household and making the palace function.

So stuck in the house all day?

@AmberHeardSupporter has a dry canal. Hasn't seen a drop of water in years!

Stop projecting. Having sex as a woman is as easy as breathing

also @Kiwiballs i fucking HATE Madonna!!!!

 

[Fields Of Rye]

Imma just ask you as a man a genuine question if you’d let me. As a man yourself, if you didn’t have the biological urge to procreate and fuck women what would you use us for? Do you genuinely think you’d still like us and furthermore, how do you think men would have reacted to women if they didn’t want to fuck us back in the caveman days? With love? Righteous indignation? Or food maybe? Idk you tell me

Literally 90-60% of women will be unfuckable to men on principle at any given time and they get along fine

Back in the cavemen days you would grind up the fucking tubers and we would come back successful from 1/40 hunts or whatever with a dead rat. It would probably be run exactly like social elephant groups with large familial units yeeting adolescent males once they got annoying to be around

 

[AmberHeardSupporter]

Literally 90-60% of women will be unfuckable to men on principle at any given time and they get along fine

Back in the cavemen days you would grind up the fucking tubers and we would come back successful from 1/40 hunts or whatever with a dead rat.

That’s not the point, those men are still attracted to women just not those women. What if men had zero attraction sexually or romantically to women at all is the question. But I appreciate it

 

[AgendaPoster]

Why else would men make it illegal for women to go to the cinema, or for women to have their own money? What about the great Aristotle that called women broken and incomplete males? All that cruelty just because we’re weaker than you?

Basically, yes.
This is not specific to women, it happens all the time to peoples that lose wars. Those that end up on top of some hierarchy often fear those below and seek to control them and keep them away from the levers of power.
It's also important to understand that women are extremely valuable, so many cultures did their best to make sure that women do not have the freedom to choose mates, for very obvious reasons. Males are also often subjected to various controls and societal norms, but yes, less so than women.
You can be angry, but it will still bring you nothing of value. And you cannot get rid of men, and men cannot get rid of women.
Sex positive feminists had a pretty decent outlook on the issue, modernity considered. No man hate, liberation meant having sex with who you wanted, enjoying life, loving and being loved, and settling down, or not - who cares. It led to a very cozy period in the 80s-2000s or so where people just genuinely tried to seek each other's company and share the pleasures of life, instead of the endless vitriol and hate.

 

[Kiwiballs]

I’m not saying im seeking out male hobbies I’m saying that men are disgusted by any hobby or media surrounding women in a way that women aren’t. Men actively turn their nose up and look in contempt of women’s media probably because men are utilitarian and the standard for all humanity while women are an “other”. Not their equals

So stuck in the house all day?

Well Saint Helena traveled the world more than anyone at that time. That was kinda her thing.
Maybe just do rather than talk. Especially in this world today, like you said yourself, its possible to be an outlier.


Alright, you're right that there is more contempt in one direction than the other.
Meaning that although in my opinion men and women are equal but different, a man "falls" to a womans station while a woman "rises" to a mans station. I guess that has to do with the overt power dynamic of the male vs female. But again, I feel like that is balanced out by your covert power dynamic that you dominate, or that men who are like the proverbial woman dominate.

One example are the slave soldiers of the Ottoman Empire that at a certain period of time ruled it through intrigue. "Men" thought these men would be their bitch, they ended up outplaying them. Took over the Egyptian province completely during a time too. Literal castrated men, eunuchs, often dominated the courts of China too.


Meaning overt power is balanced by covert power, back to the duality of things.

 

[Radion_Godiva]

This thread reminds me of the early onset tranny thread. Just some faggot larping.

 

[AmberHeardSupporter]

This is not specific to women, it happens all the time to peoples that lose wars

But you don’t see how it stings when it’s the group of people youre supposed to love telling you youre less than them and denying your humanity?

Sex positive feminists had a pretty decent outlook on the issue, modernity considered. No man hate, liberation meant having sex with who you wanted, enjoying life, loving and being loved, and settling down, or not - who cares. It led to a very cozy period in the 80s-2000s or so where people just genuinely tried to seek each other's company and share the pleasures of life, instead of the endless vitriol and hate.

sex positive feminism is the worst feminism. That’s the bullshit that led to deranged libfem and tranny nonsense now. The 80s were one of the most violent decades for women and I promise you the misogyny was all the same and probably much worse. There has never been a peaceful time for women but i will say I do look fondly upon male/female relationships in the 2000s but maybe that’s just because I’m a

Spoiler: Powerlevel

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This thread reminds me of the early onset tranny thread. Just some faggot larping.

Why are you mad this is me being as nice as I can. I’m actually having a civilized discussion for once

Meaning overt power is balanced by covert power,

Well when womens covert power leads to the murders of millions of men, the rapes of millions of men, a female middle east, multiple religions all stating that men are beneath women, no male and only female presidents, women like Dworkin and Solanas being comsidered great artists like Aristotle and Nietschze however the fuck you spell that , and a the prostitution of young boys being seen as not only normal but needed in society then our covert power will be equal to yours and a cool enough deal to whinge about

 

[Kiwiballs]

Why are you mad this is me being as nice as I can. I’m actually having a civilized discussion for once

Well when womens covert power leads to the murders of millions of men, the rapes of millions of men, a female middle east, multiple religions all stating that men are beneath women, no male and only female presidents, women like Dworkin and Solanas being comsidered great artists like Aristotle and Nietschze however the fuck you spell that , and a the prostitution of young boys being seen as not only normal but needed in social then our covert power will be equal to yours and a cool enough deal to whinge about

Alright now I know you're larping.
Well played so far.

 

[Fields Of Rye]

That’s not the point, those men are still attracted to women just not those women. What if men had zero attraction sexually or romantically to women at all is the question. But I appreciate it

I don’t think there would be too much of a difference for men, I think a lot of “low value men” would be a lot happier and women might feel a little more comfortable but that’s sacrificing a lot of mutually beneficial relationships,

If it’s like how things were pre puberty I’ve worked at coed summer camps. I guess it’s hard to say exactly when things change for the kids but you’d probably just be looking at full grown adults chasing their hobbies and the odd overlap happens whenever it happen.

 

[AmberHeardSupporter]

Alright now I know you're larping.
Well played so far.

How is that a larp I’m being srs

I don’t think there would be too much of a difference for men, I think a lot of “low value men” would be a lot happier and women might feel a little more comfortable but that’s sacrificing a lot of mutually beneficial relationships,

If it’s like how things were pre puberty I’ve worked at coed summer camps. I guess it’s hard to say exactly when things change for the kids but you’d probably just be looking at full grown adults chasing their hobbies and the odd overlap happens whenever it happen.

Ok well I guess that is a nice way of putting it. I’m reminded of this Jules quote I posted in the manhate thread that I thought really encapsulates men’s views on women and why I decided to ask that question

“Remember when you were a kid and the boys didn't like the girls? Only sissies liked girls? What I'm trying to tell you is that nothing's changed. You think boys grow out of not liking girls, but we don't grow out of it. We just grow horny. That's the problem. We mix up liking pussy for liking girls. Believe me, one couldn't have less to do with the other.”

Jules Feiffer

i truly believe all men feel this way and its hard to get it out my head but I like your idea