Official Kiwi Farms Man-Hate & Woman-Hate Thread-Hate Thread

[AgendaPoster]

Why bully the Kali

 

[dvnc]

Why bully the Kali

I felt like shooting fish into a barrel.

 

[Harbinger of Kali Yuga]

I felt like shooting fish into a barrel.

Funny response when you engaged getting upset over this statement:

Cheeseknife, you know when women argue like this they're trying to lead to a narrative that makes you look bad and women look good, they don't care about your actual answers or engaging you honestly.

 

[dvnc]

Funny response when you engaged getting upset over this statement:

My favorite thing about most of your posts is your conceived notion that you know what's going on in a woman's head. The reason I derive amusement from this is because you're consistently misguided, yet so sure of yourself. Harkens to the narcissism that you have that I had pointed out prior.

I'm still waiting for proof of those claims you made of me.

 

[Harbinger of Kali Yuga]

I think it's interesting that I don't follow the man hate thread and nothing said in it has made me bat an eye, but you apparently follow my posts in the woman-hate thread religiously and get worked up enough over them to try to snipe at me here multiple times. I may as well ask you why you're so worked up over what I think about women? You know what I think, I don't think you have any master plan or anything engaging me, you just get irked by how what I say makes you feel. You're all over the place in what you say to me.

 

[Georgio Cocklord]

My favorite thing about most of your posts is your conceived notion that you know what's going on in a woman's head. The reason I derive amusement from this is because you're consistently misguided, yet so sure of yourself. Harkens to the narcissism that you have that I had pointed out prior.

I'm still waiting for proof of those claims you made of me.

Dayvenue I thought you didn't hate men enough to be on that thread and you got banned subsequently. What is this herd mentality 180 you're doing?

 

[dvnc]

you apparently follow my posts there religiously

Harken call to narcissism. Insinuating that I only read for your posts and not for the thread in of itself.

worked up enough

Harken call to narcissism. Insinuating that you're worth getting worked up over.

try to snipe

No try. I directly brought you to the floor, if I recall.

I don't think you have any master plan

Didn't you state that I was setting up some narrative?

irked

I'm honestly having a blast. Reference my shooting fish into a barrel post.

You're all over the place in what you say to me.

What are you confused about? I'll help you.

Once again: Still no proof being brought down from the accusations you threw.

 

[dvnc]

Dayvenue I thought you didn't hate men enough to be on that thread and you got banned subsequently. What is this herd mentality 180 you're doing?

I don't, at all. I'm so far from being a feminist it's probably embarrassing to my Mom, bless her. Never was banned. Your comment about herd mentality would be sound if it wasn't a sole person who has done nothing but spit out incel talking points then wonder why they are being questioned about it. If you've been paying attention, you'll note that I've not had any issues exchanging discourse with other men here that post in the Women hate thread.

 

[Harbinger of Kali Yuga]

I don't, at all. I'm so far from being a feminist it's probably embarrassing to my Mom, bless her. Never was banned. Your comment about herd mentality would be sound if it wasn't a sole person who has done nothing but spit out incel talking points then wonder why they are being questioned about it. If you've been paying attention, you'll note that I've not had any issues exchanging discourse with other men here that post in the Women hate thread.

You use too many words

 

[dvnc]

You use too many words

Heh. Like fish in a barrel. See, I thought you wanted to go rounds when you got all uppity about me refusing to engage in discourse with you further before. Now I present myself and you're incapable.

Is that really why you've been having issues with women? Your inability to "bring it home", if you will?

 

[Friend of Dorothy Parker]

This is not for you, @Shidoen, bc it involves (an attempt at) dialogue.

This is how my mom used to operate. She's changed a lot over time, but as my siblings and I were were growing up, she had a lot of ideas that weren't well-grounded in reality but she thought sounded good in her head. She enacted rules based on a whim because she read something or heard something from one of her friends. Unfortunately, she enacted way too many rules and couldn't even be bothered to remember most of them.

Perhaps I'm being unfair because I base a lot of my thoughts on women on observing my mom, but there it is.

This bears no relationship to what I said. Sorry about your mom, tho.

At times it's been the other way around. I've usually broken things off because I've had to admit I wasn't a good match for her. A lot of that has to do with my mental state and I've slowly come to conclude I probably won't ever get married because there's too much wrong with me. I'm slowly trying to turn my life around, but it's been difficult and my support group has greatly dwindled. It also doesn't help that we're in a shitty economy right now either.

Godspeed. No, seriously: feeling being competent and capable (or, conversely, not feeling/not being) is an immense factor in...well, everything. I wish for everyone both feeling and being both of those things.

this story right here. I only thought of it because it was recent, but there are any number of stories like this where a man does something right, and he is punished for it.

That could've been a man or a woman; the mismatch of rules and reality at times can be frustrating.

men tend to have their lives ruined by women

If somehow you don't know or realize or recognize that this is absolutely a woman issue (as well), let me assure you, it is. And for a variety of reasons, it actually skews more towards women's lives being changed negatively or wrecked more - all you have to do is look at stats about men/women's career/earning capacities post-divorce/ child to see a sliver of the story.

Seriously: putting on my objective hat (which I wear most of the time), women are far more likely to fare worse after a divorce or after a break from a child's father than men in the same situation. The reasons why can be dissected in many ways. Women in a couple that parts tend to have lower-paying jobs and tend to be the primary person on the hook for the costs (money, time, etc.) of raising kids. Take a look at pre- and post-relationship earning power/ employment, and run stats by slices (income, education, economic mobility, etc.); even factor in personal choices/ decisionmaking. On average, across all variables, women overall wind up with the shorter economic straw.

[I've posted the stats before, not doing another research project on what's already in my posting history]

While there's pushback on things like the sexism, unprosecuted assault, and general devaluation of and bias against women, the fact of the matter is there's a lot of ground to cover insofar as women tend to have their lives ruined by men. This causes women, as a whole, to become agitated and suspicious towards men because they don't want their lives ruined by the injustices they see other women suffering.

Provided you the hundreds-years-old (not "since 2017, 6 long years ago") corrected variation on what you said.

I'm saying this to you in sincerity, ackshually not aiming to fight a billion-times-fought internet battle. I hear and understand that some men feel aggrieved by the minor events of the last few years, feel the decks are stacked against them, that they are damned either way - and maybe for very young men this feels fresh and like a brand new wound. But do understand that how you feel about the perceived shift of the last few years (and I still challenge that, statistically), that oppression and devaluation, and the norms that reinforce that sense, is what women have lived under for hundred of years (and I limit it to hundreds bc I'm limiting it to the US, for manageability). And for women it's been enshrined in law (not just hr fiats) and carried out overwhelmingly by those who benefit from it. If women are today less likely to be disadvantaged by "norms" created without them in the mix, that's not a bad thing (press X to doubt if equal opportunity has been achieved in actuality). (What's the Biblical adage - yes, Roman's 6:23: "the wages of sin is death.")

So I'm not saying your concerns have zero basis, rather that if you could look at the longer, larger view from another vantage point, you might see that the "norm" you perceive (which you see as working to your detriment) is at most a minor, transient blip in the overall state of things.

I understand my words very possibly fall on deaf ears. It's natural that one who feels aggrieved is unwelcoming of "but no, this is worse." But I offer the history and the perspective anyway, because I do have a belief that many folks here are rational and understand history, above and beyond their own personal or temporal perspective. If I'm wrong about that (perspective of commenters and you, particularly), ok - throw out your negs and close your ears.

Tl; dr: whatever heartache or headache you're talking about "since metoo" is but a minor jot in the overall state of things.

 

[Cheeseknife]

This bears no relationship to what I said.

You disagreed with something I said, and I just meant to accentuate where the senitments were generated. Men have mothers and mothers are, more often than not, going to be a picture for young boys to gain a better idea as to what a woman is. Just something to be aware of, that sometimes the way men treat women may be largely influenced by how they treat their mothers.

That could've been a man or a woman

I believe it necessarily had to be a man. If it were a woman, the narrative would have been more difficult to work around since women are most often regarded as victims. More people would err on the side of a woman in this case. Fewer would do so a man.

I suppose I could also use Johnny Depps's trial as an example, except I detest having to sympathize with a celebrity. Parasocialism is a disease.

all you have to do is look at stats

Looking at data doesn't help me, though. That's the problem. We're not abstracts.

Admittedly, going back and forth like this isn't really anything more than some light therapy or the excuse to get some things off my chest to a stranger who is willing to listen. But, truth is, I know I need to get back to reality. I can say, "it's women" all I want, but that doesn't help me because I know "women" is still an abstract. It doesn't absolve me from my need to do whatever I need to do to make things right in my own life.

I like to shitpost, it's true, but I don't fool msyelf into thinking it's anything other than therapeutic and a means to garner a laugh here and there. It's also why I appreciate @PaladinBoo popping in the Woman Hate thread every so often. I don't think she realizes she's just a reminder that a lot of our petty complaints are really not as well-founded as we think they are simply because she exists as an example that there are many women who are wonderful people (and funny too).

#NotAllWomen

I'm saying this to you in sincerity, ackshually not aiming to fight a billion-times-fought internet battle. I hear and understand that some men feel aggrieved by the minor events of the last few years, feel the decks are stacked against them, that they are damned either way - and maybe for very young men this feels fresh and like a brand new wound. But do understand that how you feel about the perceived shift of the last few years (and I still challenge that, statistically), that oppression and devaluation, and the norms that reinforce that sense, is what women have lived under for hundred of years (and I limit it to hundreds bc I'm limiting it to the US, for manageability). And for women it's been enshrined in law (not just hr fiats) and carried out overwhelmingly by those who benefit from it. If women are today less likely to be disadvantaged by "norms" created without them in the mix, that's not a bad thing (press X to doubt if equal opportunity has been achieved in actuality). (What's the Biblical adage - yes, Roman's 6:23: "the wages of sin is death.")

Believe it or not, I am optimistic. The worldview you're talking about is one I'm familiar with and is one of my main frustrations with the Christian church right now. There's a saying that goes, "Why polish brass on a sinking ship?" This is one of the prevailing Christian narratives out there and it's partially why a lot of stuff is going to shit. Many Christians are being led into a state of pessimism about the future. I, on the other hand, don't subscribe to this. I'm very optimistic about the future. I only hope and pray I can somehow work my way into it.

What modern people need to understand is that worlds die, but new worlds are made from the ashes. Our current world is dying. The one our father and forefathers constructed from technological and social progress. All those foundations, right now, are being shaken. More recently: the world that existed before the Russian invasion of Ukraine is gone, a memory of the age of American unipolarity. Now we're seeing just how fragile the European peace situation really is. The world is changing before our eyes. That shouldn't be cause simply to be afraid (fear is warranted) but should also give way to excitement! Think about how rapid and distinct this change was. the week after the invasion, everyone suddenly took a large step out from the otherwise stable geopolitical order--an order that simply didn’t exist anymore! And now, if we look backwards in time, we wonder if the past were all just an illusion.

I think history has a tendency to do this to us. Many of our fears and trepidations, we glance at from a rearview mirror and realize they were all illusory, we allowed ourselves to be governed by non-realities. The chance to look beyond the illusion into reality is a terrifying but exciting prospect!

I understand my words very possibly fall on deaf ears. It's natural that one who feels aggrieved is unwelcoming of "but no, this is worse." But I offer the history and the perspective anyway, because I do have a belief that many folks here are rational and understand history, above and beyond their own personal or temporal perspective. If I'm wrong about that (perspective of commenters and you, particularly), ok - throw out your negs and close your ears.

I don't want to say I speak for all men, so I'll just speak for myself and see how other guys feel about this.

The desire to blame anyone but myself is in constant conflict with the duty to lay all blame sorely on myself. At times, a man's duty is to suffer. Not because he wants it, or needs it, or because it makes him more or less a man. A man suffers because that is his duty. Innately, every woman seems to recognize this, knowing it is a vital organ. Women may test this organ in various ways, which are aggravating to us, but are ultimately testing our resolve.

I believe this is why the Tsundere archetype is so prevalent in romance stories. The female is necessarily bringing physical and emotional harm to the man she loves because she subconsciously testing his resolve. Men may look at this and wonder, "Why is she so abusive." What needs to be understood is she can be abusive because she never takes it too far, and also he is a man. It is his duty to suffer.

The example is somewhat archaic and, in reality, this shouldn't be excused as justification for domestic abuse. Rather, the thematic case is that women should test men, but never break them. And that is the fear every man has today--that many modern have had their values twisted into a desire to see us martyred in our manly line of duty.

I'll conclude by saying, not all women are like this. Nevertheless the fear is there. It is a fear I have and it is a fear I must overcome at some point in my life.

 

[Cheeseknife]

You use too many words

It's not that just that, it's more that he expects us to read it all. Tryhard.

 

[Harbinger of Kali Yuga]

It's not that just that, it's more that he expects us to read it all. Tryhard.

No, I was literally quoting what was just said to me that she was laughing at and it flew past her face.

 

[Cheeseknife]

No, I was literally quoting what was just said to me that she was laughing at and it flew past her face.

 

[Kalsarikännit]

https://www.urbandictionary.com/define.php?term=yap%20session

 

[dvnc]

No, I was literally quoting what was just said to me that she was laughing at and it flew past her face.

 

[namvata]

Reminder that every foid in the man hate thread is an obese cat lady that smells like pee (or a tranny LARPing as a woman)

 

[Harbinger of Kali Yuga]

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Dude, my posts have gotten under your skin and all you can do is impotently try to flame me and hope some of the other women agree-react with your posts. Pathetic.

 

[dvnc]

all you can do is impotently try to flame me

I posed several easy to read questions towards the claims you made of me. You only showed yourself capable of responding to posts that others made who I was responding to.

agree-react

Reddit speak.

I am thankful right now this Thanksgiving, among many other things, but for the laughs I've had here chatting with you. Thank you. : )