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Counterpoint:

You are not judge dredd and the predetermined events you're convinced would have happened may not have panned out.

He either gets due process or you have to kill him in a way no one notices.

Verdict: get robust
 
Counterpoint:

You are not judge dredd and the predetermined events you're convinced would have happened may not have panned out.

He either gets due process or you have to kill him in a way no one notices.

Verdict: get robust
So you're suggesting that the that the angry mob (that discharged multiple rounds of shotgun buckshot into me) simple would allow me to 'formally' execute or borg someone? furthermore the 'due process' was already preformed after he was charged with a formal crime.

should've exiled him retard
Again not very easy to accomplish while being pursued by people trying to kill you.
 
If your actions as HoS incited the entire station into rebelling against you within seconds and the only options you can see are immediate murder and then barricading yourself in sec and threatening more murder, it should go without saying that you are not playing HoS well.

There's no denying that played it very robustly, but most people can see why it's grossly inappropriate to wordlessly burst into your boss's office while he's servicing customers, tase him, cuff him, and then drag him to the crematorium while fleeing an enraged mob and murdering him, and then posting up in sec and threatening to execute anybody who objected to it. I did not spread any rumours about you, I did not agitate against you, this was early in the round and as far as anybody knew we had a good HoP and a good HoS that were doing their jobs normally. There was no reason for them to be on my side beforehand. If you can't see why everyone turned on you so instantly and immediately then I believe there is an issue with your ability to play command and sec roles.

Keep in mind that while I was actually a traitor, and entirely valid, the only thing you knew at the time was that I gave AA to the clown, a shitter move so commonplace that it happens in 80% of rounds and almost never by antags, and also keep in mind that you had already broken into the captain's office, personally, to steal AA for yourself, which makes any logical leap to "must be traitor" even more unlikely.

Some more appropriate options to deal with this might have been to privately message other department heads to get their support in removing me as unfit for my position, with or without an arrest afterwards. Or gathering up a small squad of sec officers so you could burst into the office to explain that I'm under arrest, and have enough force and legitimacy that the station would understand 'HoP is bad and got caught like an idiot'. Even announcing my crimes over the radio beforehand would have done a lot to keep people on the sidelines, if not winning them over to your side. Instead you chose to solo-charge your boss like a psychopathic assassin and drag him off to a backroom be murdered in front of a horrified and confused station population.

There are many, many ways you could have handled this more appropriately as a security officer, some of which might have been less efficient and maybe even led to you losing or dying, but many of which would have gotten me killed or permabrigged easily, and not collapsed the station into anarchy and put you in serious risk of being lynched.
 
Wait, did the HOS get role banned for killing a potraitor? Or did he get banned for hurting other players besides the protraitor? If it's the former then it is 100% fucking gay and he should be unbanned; if it's the latter then HOS deserves his ban.
 
I used the shotgun. You know why? Cause the shot gun doesn't miss, and unlike the shitty hybrid taser it stops a criminal in their tracks in two hits. Bang, bang, and they're fucking done. I use four shots just to make damn sure. Because, once again, I'm not there to coddle a buncha criminal scum sucking faggots, I'm there to 1) Survive the fucking round. 2) Guard the armory. So you can absolutely get fucked. If I get unbanned, which I won't, you can guarantee I will continue to use the shotgun to apprehend criminals. Because it's quick, clean and effective as fuck. Why in the seven hells would I fuck around with the disabler shots, which take half a clip just to bring someone down, or with the tazer bolts which are slow as balls, impossible to aim and do about next to jack shit, fuck all. The shotgun is the superior law enforcement weapon. Because it stops crime. And it stops crime by reducing the number of criminals roaming the fucking halls.
 
If your actions as HoS incited the entire station into rebelling against you within seconds and the only options you can see are immediate murder and then barricading yourself in sec and threatening more murder, it should go without saying that you are not playing HoS well.

There's no denying that played it very robustly, but most people can see why it's grossly inappropriate to wordlessly burst into your boss's office while he's servicing customers, tase him, cuff him, and then drag him to the crematorium while fleeing an enraged mob and murdering him, and then posting up in sec and threatening to execute anybody who objected to it. I did not spread any rumours about you, I did not agitate against you, this was early in the round and as far as anybody knew we had a good HoP and a good HoS that were doing their jobs normally. There was no reason for them to be on my side beforehand. If you can't see why everyone turned on you so instantly and immediately then I believe there is an issue with your ability to play command and sec roles.

Keep in mind that while I was actually a traitor, and entirely valid, the only thing you knew at the time was that I gave AA to the clown, a shitter move so commonplace that it happens in 80% of rounds and almost never by antags, and also keep in mind that you had already broken into the captain's office, personally, to steal AA for yourself, which makes any logical leap to "must be traitor" even more unlikely.

Some more appropriate options to deal with this might have been to privately message other department heads to get their support in removing me as unfit for my position, with or without an arrest afterwards. Or gathering up a small squad of sec officers so you could burst into the office to explain that I'm under arrest, and have enough force and legitimacy that the station would understand 'HoP is bad and got caught like an idiot'. Even announcing my crimes over the radio beforehand would have done a lot to keep people on the sidelines, if not winning them over to your side. Instead you chose to solo-charge your boss like a psychopathic assassin and drag him off to a backroom be murdered in front of a horrified and confused station population.

There are many, many ways you could have handled this more appropriately as a security officer, some of which might have been less efficient and maybe even led to you losing or dying, but many of which would have gotten me killed or permabrigged easily, and not collapsed the station into anarchy and put you in serious risk of being lynched.
Firstly HoS isn't trade of public relations and neither is any security job. When you play security people will ALWAYS find a reason to rob you, dislike you, undermine you, etc regardless of circumstance.

Secondly in this situation you weren't my boss because I was the acting captain and you yourself even agreed to my seizing of the title.

"the only thing you knew at the time was that I gave AA to the clown, a shitter move so commonplace that it happens in 80% of rounds and almost never by antags" breaking the law (grand sabotage) has consequences and said consequences are NOT mutually exclusive to traitors. Furthermore it is extremely disappointing that you would suggest that the law be ignored otherwise.

"There was no reason for them to be on my side beforehand." You gave almost the entire crew roster all access and it's literally my job to prevent that so I can more than imagine a reason why people would take your side.

" and then posting up in sec and threatening to execute anybody who objected to it." I did not enact restrictions on what people could think or have opinions on, I did however threaten to dispatch anyone running at me with weapons and pumping buckshot into myself, a group that you yourself dismiss as 'people objecting to it' is grossly mislabeling armed radicals with aggressive intents.

A lack of officers aside, when you talk about more appropriate options you fail to account for the time related hazard of your crime. The longer I would have waited to arrest you the more people would have access to the station's armory, super matter engine, gravity generator, telecommunications room, toxins storage, and others.

"collapsed the station into anarchy and put you in serious risk of being lynched." The nature of the station is literally to collapse into anarchy to solely highlight my actions as the cause for such is a gross exaggeration when you yourself were essentially giving the crew everything they would need to accelerate the collapse of the station AND to lynch someone.

Wait, did the HOS get role banned for killing a potraitor? Or did he get banned for hurting other players besides the protraitor? If it's the former then it is 100% fucking gay and he should be unbanned; if it's the latter then HOS deserves his ban.
Didn't actually hurt anyone aside from the man sentenced to execution.

I used the shotgun. You know why? Cause the shot gun doesn't miss, and unlike the shitty hybrid taser it stops a criminal in their tracks in two hits. Bang, bang, and they're fucking done. I use four shots just to make damn sure. Because, once again, I'm not there to coddle a buncha criminal scum sucking faggots, I'm there to 1) Survive the fucking round. 2) Guard the armory. So you can absolutely get fucked. If I get unbanned, which I won't, you can guarantee I will continue to use the shotgun to apprehend criminals. Because it's quick, clean and effective as fuck. Why in the seven hells would I fuck around with the disabler shots, which take half a clip just to bring someone down, or with the tazer bolts which are slow as balls, impossible to aim and do about next to jack shit, fuck all. The shotgun is the superior law enforcement weapon. Because it stops crime. And it stops crime by reducing the number of criminals roaming the fucking halls.
Non lethal force was used in everything aside from the actual execution.
 
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I gave the clown security access only, because he was hanging around me in a way that made me suspicious (and he actually turned out to be a traitor targeting me), and I wanted him to get himself killed or arrested. I can understand why you might have assumed it was an AA free for all when a clown wandered into the armory, but that's actually the only access I handed out. I spent the entire round at the hop line, telling people that yes, I change a cook into a scientist because he doesn't want to work with liggers, and no, a greyshirt can't have engineering access when the Chief Engineer already said he doesn't want them there.

You had incredibly good detective instincts, and you caught me dead to rights. That part was impressive. But all you caught me doing was sending a clown to annoy you and maybe get himself into trouble. If you were a rival antagonist that killing would have been robust as fuck and impressive as hell, but you were the Head of Security.

Nobody wants security breaking into the captain's quarters and sprinting around irrevocably murdering completely nonviolent people that they think might pose a threat later.
 
I gave the clown security access only, because he was hanging around me in a way that made me suspicious (and he actually turned out to be a traitor targeting me), and I wanted him to get himself killed or arrested. I can understand why you might have assumed it was an AA free for all when a clown wandered into the armory, but that's actually the only access I handed out. I spent the entire round at the hop line, telling people that yes, I change a cook into a scientist because he doesn't want to work with liggers, and no, a greyshirt can't have engineering access when the Chief Engineer already said he doesn't want them there.

You had incredibly good detective instincts, and you caught me dead to rights. That part was impressive. But all you caught me doing was sending a clown to annoy you and maybe get himself into trouble. If you were a rival antagonist that killing would have been robust as fuck and impressive as hell, but you were the Head of Security.

Nobody wants security breaking into the captain's quarters and sprinting around irrevocably murdering completely nonviolent people that they think might pose a threat later.
It was all access for one (I'm the one who took the access off the card) and people convicted of capital crimes aren't nonviolent people a major of the time A and space law calls for their murder or worse regardless. And lastly what you call "breaking into the captain's quarters" is actually called seizing acting captaincy and is a part of a majority of rp servers medium and up.
 
Okay, you've laid out why you think it's justified, and I disagree.
 
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