OGL aka Open Game License - Wizard Cash in On DND - Give to Caesar what belongs to Caesar,

[Orange Rhymer]

Peter Jackson wins again.
Play GURPS.
(you can be a SLAVER!!)

Dixie-1

In this world, prior to the American Civil War, Wiilliam Walker retained Nicaragua and broke the Union blockade of the Confederacy in 1856, allowing a surviving Confederacy to become independent. It is now 1993, and the Confederacy still holds slaves, while the Union is more liberal; a nuclear...

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[get_ur_gamon]

Fortunately those people are in the extreme minority for once.

TBH it was great that Hasbro tied their shitty plan into being more PC, to hopefully drag down some of those retards with them.

 

[byuu]

Peter Jackson wins again.
Play GURPS.
(you can be a SLAVER!!)

Dixie-1

In this world, prior to the American Civil War, Wiilliam Walker retained Nicaragua and broke the Union blockade of the Confederacy in 1856, allowing a surviving Confederacy to become independent. It is now 1993, and the Confederacy still holds slaves, while the Union is more liberal; a nuclear...

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Isn't GURPS the worst when it comes to licensing?

 

[evilsponge]

Obligatory don't fuck with gamers moment.

 

[Ghostse]

Wotc and Hasbro surrender.
They are keeping the original OGL and opening the SRD to creative Commons, letting creators pick either of them to publish with.

On a personal note, just because they backed off doesn't mean I think they will do anything good.
I've got my OSR alternatives. Hasbro will never earn money on me again.

Daily reminder: Nothing has been "won". WotC isn't giving up anything by "restoring" the OGL. They never had any right to revoke the OGL in the first place. They are not giving up any rights they didn't already have, if they had tried to sue they'd have been blown the fuck out in court (eventually).
This is finding someone in your kitchen at 3am, them saying saying "this is my house", and then leaving when you dial the cops because "they have listened to the community and are giving the community what they want" acting like its some magnanimous act - bitch you never had a right to be in my house in the first place.

I don't believe for an instance this is the end of it. They're going to find some other horseshit way to sneak what they want out.

Fortunately, WotC hasn't produced anything good with D&D in years so it's not like I'm missing anything by not supporting them.

This isn't the end. shit Its not even the beginning.
What WotC will do is release 6E (One D&D or whatever gay term they're planning on using) under a new, revocable, tranny-friendly license. Which is entirely within their rights to do. But they'll tap their press resources to do a PR blitz and use manufactured tranny outrage about Coomer/Stormer content to say "The OGL is racist and transphobic; see all this racist and transphobic content that's released under the OGL? They can't be stopped because the OGL protects them and their wrongthink. Wizards is developing the NGL, which is revocable and will let them stop people from publishing that stuff. If anyone isn't signing onto the NGL, its because they support transphobia and racism!"



I don't run 5e or buy any of their modules, but I've given Wizards money for some of their other stuff because its been pretty good

Spoiler: The Wilderness Kit DM has beautiful art

But that's ended now.

 

[Tactical Wizard]

This is actually a victory in the sense that the 5.1 SRD is now under Creative Commons. They now have less legal footing than they did before to try this again and if they try a new license for the new edition?

Well, it will be fourth edition all over again.

 

[Pizza Time]

As I understand, the 5.1 SRD being CC only protects 5e content, and doesn't protect anything that uses pre-5e materials (like Pathfinder 1e for example). While it would be incredibly stupid of WotC to try and pull the rug out from under Paizo and other 3rd party creators who used pre-5e SRDs, I wouldn't be in the least bit surprised if they try to in the future once the dust from this settles and no one is talking about it on social media anymore.

 

[xX_rAcE_wAr_420_Xx]

5e is a mediocre faggot ruleset that only gained the momentum it has through the OGL and shit like Critical Role. That won't change with this, but I think it'll tip more of the """community""" into other games. You bet your ass the content creators have seen the writing on the wall, the ORC isn't going away.

I really cannot stress enough, 5e is fine as a game but it's not simple or newbie friendly, people just ignore all the rules and it's imbalanced and hard to DM. It's not worth defending, and once people start getting presented with more alternatives and the general online conversation mentions them more than "Pathfinder, you know the game that's like DND but super complicated", I think we'll start to really see.

Not that more than half of 5e's playerbase TOPS is worth salvaging, mind you.

 

[wtfNeedSignUp]

Yeah there's no win here, the overton window has been moved and a new terms with less stipulations but just as much as tranny nigger cock sucking will be lauded as a big step forward.

 

[TheBigZee]

As I understand, the 5.1 SRD being CC only protects 5e content, and doesn't protect anything that uses pre-5e materials (like Pathfinder 1e for example). While it would be incredibly stupid of WotC to try and pull the rug out from under Paizo and other 3rd party creators who used pre-5e SRDs, I wouldn't be in the least bit surprised if they try to in the future once the dust from this settles and no one is talking about it on social media anymore.

Everyone got caught up in the bullshit around "authorization" and it was a fundamental misdirection. The way the OGL 1.0a was written, authorized had more to do with "authentic" than with "currently approved". Anyone who explicitly accepted the OGL1.0a and has proof (any publisher that complied with the terms) got an unquestionably authentic license from WoTC. OGL1.1/1.2 cleverly used authorized in a different way regarding the OGL1.0a, but that has no bearing on the first license unless you accepted the second. Which there was no reason to (other than WoTC scare tactics), because 1.0a had a clause that let you continue using 1.0a for content available under future licenses.

Whatever 6 will be, the SRD (if they even release one) will have fundamental changes to it that are protectable under IP law. It's almost guaranteed that any license they put out will require you to agree that you no longer have any rights under the OGL1.0a. Rather than bully/intimidation tactics 3PP will have to choose based on whether the business would be worth it.

This was their only realistic way out from under the carry forward provision of the OGL1.0a after scare tactics failed. Assume they *could* say the license was no longer available for new licensees. Think about how many LLCs are out there that put out content which explicitly accepted the OGL1.0a. Anyone who *really* wanted the benefits of OGL1.0a could get it by spending at most a couple of grand to buy an unused LLC someone had been paying the registration fees to maintain.

Seeking to void it for prior content doesn't benefit WoTC much - WoTC gets garauntees that 3pp who need the prior OGL won't use trademarks, etc. WoTC continues to get assurances that these publishers won't do that for fear of triggering the actual revocation clause. It's also unclear how much of the prior SRDs aren't also free to use now that 5.1 is under creative commons. There is a lot of overlap in naming, specific mechanics, and flavor text.

 

[introvertedobserver]

Isn't GURPS the worst when it comes to licensing?

Yes. They consider it entirely proprietary.

Aside from the fact that their website looks like it belongs in 1996 and is "maintained" by a non-staff member of SJGames (not even sure they have staff anymore) they maintain that the GURPS rules are protected (they aren't) and that it is illegal to base a game on gurps rules.

http://www.sjgames.com/gurps/faq/FAQ4-2.html

2.18 Can I use GURPS rules to build a computer game, online game, MOO/MUSH/MUCK/MUD/etc. ?​

No . . . it's not legal to take the GURPS rules and base a game on them without formal permission...

It's entirely legal to do that, so long as you don't copy the actual text of the rules and instead paraphrase them. Can't copyright rules and there's no patent I could find for GURPS.

I'd be curious if they'd actually try to C&D/sue over it though.

 

[Falcos_Commisar]

I say this in these threads. Others say this in these threads. It is always repeated when threads like this come up:

There is a perfect Dungeons & Dragons and it is called Advanced Dungeons & Dragons. Not AD&D Second Edition, not 3.5 and not original Dungeons & Dragons. AD&D was and is perfect. Play it. The books are cool but you can get PDFs for free. It is great. You can do anything you want. There is a built-in filter to weed out shit players because you need to read the rules.

AD&D is all you need. Faggots of the Coast can't bother you there.

Or Pathfinder

Most TSR games had shit systems, and D&D is the one that set the rule. Lots of material, but garbage mechanics.

Nerds should be playing Iron Crown and Chaosium games, or smaller publishers (like Harn Master).

People should be ashamed of being into role-playing, just like I was in my day (and rightfully so).

This, in this day and age you have excellent publishers like Paizo, HERO and others making quality rpg content that don't shit on their fans.

wtf? I love Paizo now.

Is it just me or did Paizo just activate their trap card? Apparently PF2 uses no SRD content and they're going to make an irrevocable version of the OGL.

They are and they're based

Peter Jackson wins again.
Play GURPS.
(you can be a SLAVER!!)

Dixie-1

In this world, prior to the American Civil War, Wiilliam Walker retained Nicaragua and broke the Union blockade of the Confederacy in 1856, allowing a surviving Confederacy to become independent. It is now 1993, and the Confederacy still holds slaves, while the Union is more liberal; a nuclear...

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Yes, SJG has some really neat settings

However, for the ultra based, might I suggest RIFTS? KEVIN DO THINGS KEVIN'S WAY BECAUSE KEVIN'S WAY BEST WAY!!!!

 

[Corpun]

Can't you nerds just make your own D&D book or something instead of consooming 60 dollar figurines?

 

[Blewberry Nausea]

Can't you nerds just make your own D&D book or something instead of consooming 60 dollar figurines?

They should just make a DND that is open sourced and mechanics are tweakable to the groups preferences. Oh wait that requires imagination never mind.

 

[Cheerlead-in-Chief]

Can't you nerds just make your own D&D book or something instead of consooming 60 dollar figurines?

Well, one DnD YouTuber (CritCrab) stated that nerds will continue to thrive despite that and he shills for other DnD campaigns on Kickstarter

 

[Ghostse]

X-post from the TTRPG thread:
Pozzio has released the draft of their OGL competitor, the Open RPG Creative or ORC.

Paizo has released a draft of the ORC License for public comment. Surprisingly, the creative director wasn't prevaricating: there isn't the faintest whiff of a morality clause.

Some interesting points:

• The license has no controlling organization explicitly so that it cannot be politicized.
• The license cannot be revised, amended, or revoked.
• The license is designed to discourage litigation.

- No morality clause
- Non-revocable
- Listed as a copyrighted document with US Library of Congress so cannot be altered
- Mandatory attribution, but very easily done as any referenced works list their attribution. This allows anyone to create a new 'rights' chain. That is, you can follow the (expected) Pathfinder ORC license chain, or you could create original work and others could
- includes all forms of media, and extends to all form of media including future types
- Allows you reserve product identity/Intellectual Property, and also to explicitly permit downstream licensing of your IP.

Biggest thing I see in this if you violate and then return to compliance, destruction of inventory is explicitly not required. That's some real wild shit.

 

[Lord of the Large Pants]

X-post from the TTRPG thread:
Pozzio has released the draft of their OGL competitor, the Open RPG Creative or ORC.



- No morality clause
- Non-revocable
- Listed as a copyrighted document with US Library of Congress so cannot be altered
- Mandatory attribution, but very easily done as any referenced works list their attribution. This allows anyone to create a new 'rights' chain. That is, you can follow the (expected) Pathfinder ORC license chain, or you could create original work and others could
- includes all forms of media, and extends to all form of media including future types
- Allows you reserve product identity/Intellectual Property, and also to explicitly permit downstream licensing of your IP.

Biggest thing I see in this if you violate and then return to compliance, destruction of inventory is explicitly not required. That's some real wild shit.

Say what you want about their politics, at least they know how to pretend to give a shit about their customers.

 

[George Lucas]

None of this shit matters because game mechanics can’t be copyrighted. I could publish an RPG with exactly the same mechanics but in a different setting, and writing the text from scratch in a cleanroom. Hasbro could take me to court and I’d win. Fight me.

 

[Spud]

None of this shit matters because game mechanics can’t be copyrighted.

Tell that to WB who own the pattern to the Nemesis system they used for the Shadow of Mordor games

 

[George Lucas]

Tell that to WB who own the pattern to the Nemesis system they used for the Shadow of Mordor games

A patent is not the same as a copyright.