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On the recent (and possibly recently ended) nostalgia boom - My own explanation for it
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jorgoth
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I know, that's part of why I suggested that the nostalgia boom might already be over.
RumblyTumbly
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Look, pop culture died with 9/11 and the smartphone. I've accepted that.
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Don't know if I'd go that far, but the landscape did change for good after that.
jorgoth
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I think late 1990's electronica was about as alien as music can get without becoming wholly unrecognizable as music. Think Sandstorm. Skrillex was maybe a step beyond that point in terms of how weird his music was, and I think people as a whole have lost their taste for the alien in music.
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You have things like Postmodern Jukebox, which take songs made in the present and perform them in styles from earlier decades:
Sometimes the only way you can tell these weren't the original versions of the songs is because the lyrics are oversimplified or explicit. I think people do want to go back to the days when music was actually music, and not lazily produced pap with autotune and drum machines, but the big corporations keep pushing the pap.
I read an interesting article long ago about how nostalgia and remixing are the heralds of a decadent and failing society:
"Despite the disdain for the past, decadent civilizations struggle to do more than deconstruct and then helplessly imitate the past. Chaotic deconstruction of past creative arts is followed by retro copying of them, first ironically and then earnestly. Nostalgia becomes the central industry of a dying civilization mired in irony and incapable of mining its own culture for creative energies.
The central cultural critique becomes updating older works to more politically correct forms. A classic character is remade black or gay. Problems with diversity or sexism are tackled. The critic becomes a commissar whose job is to sanctify the transformation of an old politically incorrect work as politically correct. That is the role of the social justice warrior.
All this energy makes it appear as if there is cultural ferment when nothing is actually being produced. Instead older works are being "cleaned up" in keeping with new social values by a civilization that frantically chews up the past in a desire to forget the problems of the present.
People living in decadent civilization have a greater need for entertainment due to leisure time, extended adolescence and the breakup of the family. But their lack of meaningful work, family engagement and adult responsibilities leaves them less able to produce it. Instead they become children putting together pieces of stories that "Daddy" once told them while taking the credit.
Decadents confuse criticism and curation with creativity. They develop great sensitivity to everything from literary styles to foods. In a decadent society, everyone is a cultivated critic, but these critics value style over substance. Their criticism is a cultural signal rather than a mastery of technique.
The decadent civilization is obsessed with taste as brand. It is sensitive to subtleties, but fails to see the large flaws in a work. Its creativity is microscopically innovative and macroscopically a failure. Its subtle refinements cannot compensate for the lack of vision. It has style, but no substance.
In a decadent civilization, everyone can be a critic or a collector of something, even as no one actually produces anything new until there are more critics and collectors than creators."
Sometimes the only way you can tell these weren't the original versions of the songs is because the lyrics are oversimplified or explicit. I think people do want to go back to the days when music was actually music, and not lazily produced pap with autotune and drum machines, but the big corporations keep pushing the pap.
I read an interesting article long ago about how nostalgia and remixing are the heralds of a decadent and failing society:
"Despite the disdain for the past, decadent civilizations struggle to do more than deconstruct and then helplessly imitate the past. Chaotic deconstruction of past creative arts is followed by retro copying of them, first ironically and then earnestly. Nostalgia becomes the central industry of a dying civilization mired in irony and incapable of mining its own culture for creative energies.
The central cultural critique becomes updating older works to more politically correct forms. A classic character is remade black or gay. Problems with diversity or sexism are tackled. The critic becomes a commissar whose job is to sanctify the transformation of an old politically incorrect work as politically correct. That is the role of the social justice warrior.
All this energy makes it appear as if there is cultural ferment when nothing is actually being produced. Instead older works are being "cleaned up" in keeping with new social values by a civilization that frantically chews up the past in a desire to forget the problems of the present.
People living in decadent civilization have a greater need for entertainment due to leisure time, extended adolescence and the breakup of the family. But their lack of meaningful work, family engagement and adult responsibilities leaves them less able to produce it. Instead they become children putting together pieces of stories that "Daddy" once told them while taking the credit.
Decadents confuse criticism and curation with creativity. They develop great sensitivity to everything from literary styles to foods. In a decadent society, everyone is a cultivated critic, but these critics value style over substance. Their criticism is a cultural signal rather than a mastery of technique.
The decadent civilization is obsessed with taste as brand. It is sensitive to subtleties, but fails to see the large flaws in a work. Its creativity is microscopically innovative and macroscopically a failure. Its subtle refinements cannot compensate for the lack of vision. It has style, but no substance.
In a decadent civilization, everyone can be a critic or a collector of something, even as no one actually produces anything new until there are more critics and collectors than creators."
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This isn't even new.
Back in the late 80s and 90s, we also got bombarded by these reboots or remakes of franchises but disguised as "the new generation" or "Jrs" or "The children of" or the characters being children themselves. Hollywood always does this when they run out of ideas and money.
And not only Hollywood. Dragon Ball and Sailor Moon are still running around. Franchises never fully abandon the products they know male more money for them.
The problem is not the remakes or the nostalgia. The problem is who are the target audience and why. I enjoyed watching the Flinstone Kids... but then I was around ten years old in the 90s. I was the target.
These new reboots aren't for children. And they aren't even for adults. These reboots are for the rebooters themselves. They either want to fulfil their fantasy fanfics or they want to try to clean themselves from watching problematic media by cleaning it and making it "better".
Back in the late 80s and 90s, we also got bombarded by these reboots or remakes of franchises but disguised as "the new generation" or "Jrs" or "The children of" or the characters being children themselves. Hollywood always does this when they run out of ideas and money.
And not only Hollywood. Dragon Ball and Sailor Moon are still running around. Franchises never fully abandon the products they know male more money for them.
The problem is not the remakes or the nostalgia. The problem is who are the target audience and why. I enjoyed watching the Flinstone Kids... but then I was around ten years old in the 90s. I was the target.
These new reboots aren't for children. And they aren't even for adults. These reboots are for the rebooters themselves. They either want to fulfil their fantasy fanfics or they want to try to clean themselves from watching problematic media by cleaning it and making it "better".
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the entertainment industry is heading to a collapse
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Culturally things seem to be stuck in an endless 2016, with an endless 2020 mixed in.
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I mainly blame that due to how the internet can make things feel like they go by fast but, at the same time nothing has really change overall it really does give a feelling things are sterile. I think what is also the problem is less just reboot itself because that has always happend to some extent and people will always will have some nostalgia of older things since forever. its more so compaines and people caring more about stuff that has any kind of legacy attach to it but @Save the Loli already went more into that and not to mention if something "new "that didn't come out from a big company did come out it would burn out its welcome very quickly and eventually fall back because something else has come out. I'm imagined if something like Pokemon and TMNT would've come out of that kind of enviorment like today it would face those same problems like alot of current stuff and burn out.
Essentially the problem in my perspective is a combination of the nature of internet making things feel weird when it comes to time along with compaines and people latching on things that have leagcy and now those things never leave the mainstream eye and age to have newer stuff take their place instead just stayi there making thing seem to never change. I would go more into it but, I don't want to make an essay near my bedtime.
Essentially the problem in my perspective is a combination of the nature of internet making things feel weird when it comes to time along with compaines and people latching on things that have leagcy and now those things never leave the mainstream eye and age to have newer stuff take their place instead just stayi there making thing seem to never change. I would go more into it but, I don't want to make an essay near my bedtime.