Once Upon A Time In Hollywood - The 9th film from Quentin Tarantino

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Probably see this soon...maybe this week but to me...Jackie Brown is his best and most underrated overall. It delivers on all fronts personally unlike most Tarantino movies. Not a huge fan honestly but that one is number one of his in my book followed by PF and Inglorious. All the others are good with some great moments but don't stick out as much as Jackie Brown. Probably in the minority on all this but his style ain't exactly mine.
 
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Saw it today. Had a friend who HATES Tarantino but even she loved it. The audience I saw it with was whooping and cackling like loons at the end. It was a pretty fun ride. The middle drags a little but overall, it was pretty damn good.
 
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Secret Asshole said:
I give Tarantino credit: He does NOT let up on the violence even with women. He treats them equally as the men. And in his era, I give him major props for that. Also great when he gave the smelly hippie the curb stomp.
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it's why only tarantino could do kill bill
if it was done by any big hollywood director
the bride would have been a shallow bitch who's only characterization is "I'm a woman"
and walked away from every fight untouched
she would have done her training with the old chinese guy in no time, and surpassed him in their very first fight
it would have been a shitty mess
 
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Autocrat said:
Is that what that was about?
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Uh no. It was basically a contrast of Rick at the end of his career with a girl at the beginning of hers, and no matter how dedicated she would be, she would end up like him. That's why he says to her, 'You'll find out in 12 years' when referring to someone past their prime, as in old Hollywood, older women were basically discarded.
 
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This was a good movie. And for once I can take or leave the gratuitous violence at the end but whatever, Quentin is as Quentin does, foot fetishism and all.
 
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I kinda get the feeling that this movie is Tarantino lashing out against the culture of Hollywood as it stands today. These shitty hippies are supposedly progressives who worship a sense of community and family, while 'protesting' against wars, but they're also drunk on their own dogmatic views distorted through the lens of LSD. The fact that some hippies are cast as famous actor's kids drive the point further home for me. They're the dogmatic leftist spouting hippies of today. I mean fucking Lena Dunham is in this movie for fucks sake.

To Tarantino the culture of these hippies stole from him a better timeline filled with amazing movies and helped end an era. It's him enacting his revenge the only way he can. By making a sick movie about it.

Now about the violence;
Quentin Tarantino has often been accused of glorifying gratuitous violence he's given interviews espousing and defending his love of movie violence. This is because to Quentin Tarantino movie violence doesn't cause people to act violently. It gives you an outlet, a way to emotionally decompress. It is catharsis without the karmic cost.

That's why the end scene is so over the top. Simultaneously it is both Tarantino telling everyone of his critics to fuck off while also showing the holes in the other sides argument. It's why Susan Atkins in an LSD-fueled Mobius loop of logic declares that killing Leo is justified because of the 'learned' violence inherent in our media, she further goes on to mention the poetic irony behind their actions "the people who taught us to kill, we'll kill them instead. That'll show my dad." But as we see she probably gets it the worse out of the group to highlight how hilariously ineffectual their learned violence is.

either way didn't really express my thoughts as concisely as I wanted, but regardless it's a damn good movie. Especially if you were born during the time or if you love the history of movies. Echoing that Margo Robbie is hot and I'm glad her butt finally got a starring role.
 
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I dug this movie a lot. Not my favorite from QT, but I thought it was far better than The Hateful Eight. And the ending in this was just ... Fantastic.

And Leo is going to get another Oscar nom for this. Just putting that out there.
 
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Violence Jack said:
I kinda get the feeling that this movie is Tarantino lashing out against the culture of Hollywood as it stands today. These shitty hippies are supposedly progressives who worship a sense of community and family, while 'protesting' against wars, but they're also drunk on their own dogmatic views distorted through the lens of LSD. The fact that some hippies are cast as famous actor's kids drive the point further home for me. They're the dogmatic leftist spouting hippies of today. I mean fucking Lena Dunham is in this movie for fucks sake.

To Tarantino the culture of these hippies stole from him a better timeline filled with amazing movies and helped end an era. It's him enacting his revenge the only way he can. By making a sick movie about it.

Now about the violence;
Quentin Tarantino has often been accused of glorifying gratuitous violence he's given interviews espousing and defending his love of movie violence. This is because to Quentin Tarantino movie violence doesn't cause people to act violently. It gives you an outlet, a way to emotionally decompress. It is catharsis without the karmic cost.

That's why the end scene is so over the top. Simultaneously it is both Tarantino telling everyone of his critics to fuck off while also showing the holes in the other sides argument. It's why Susan Atkins in an LSD-fueled Mobius loop of logic declares that killing Leo is justified because of the 'learned' violence inherent in our media, she further goes on to mention the poetic irony behind their actions "the people who taught us to kill, we'll kill them instead. That'll show my dad." But as we see she probably gets it the worse out of the group to highlight how hilariously ineffectual their learned violence is.

either way didn't really express my thoughts as concisely as I wanted, but regardless it's a damn good movie. Especially if you were born during the time or if you love the history of movies. Echoing that Margo Robbie is hot and I'm glad her butt finally got a starring role.
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Oh its most certainly this. Tarantino is a major cinephile and the absolute fucking disgust and disdain he had for the hippies ending the golden age of Hollywood pours through the screen. I mean, its amazing how his alternate histories play out. They're so fucking glorious and cathartic.
 
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Clark Griswold said:
I really, really liked this movie. Scene at the end was perfectly choreographed and shot and had me laughing my ass off. Probably my favorite Pitt role since Fight Club.
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The best part was when Leo goes to his shed, you think he's going to hide, but then he comes out with the flamethrower. I was laughing my fucking ass off.
 
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I'm glad you guys n gals enjoyed it, but I don't think it was for me. I get it was a meandering trip through a time long since past. I understand it was about conveying how the director felt about the time period (especially the damage caused to Hollywood by the hippie movement). I just didn't remotely care for how aimless so much of the movie ended up feeling. Bored me and the woman to tears in some spots, I'm afraid.

I think the book store and movie theater visit (and most of that character period) is one of the hardest bits to sit through. Sure, you're showing how the culture used to be, you're showing feet because you're a sick fuck..but what in the goddamn shit is the point to it in terms of how it interacts with the rest of the movie? At not one single point in the entire movie does that character even HAVE a point other than just existing until right at the very, very, very end. I wouldn't call that good storytelling even if you're a director who's being a bit self indulgent.

I guess an awful lot of the movie came across like a head-up-ass masturbatory effort, to me. I've enjoyed some past Tarantino flicks, but this just isn't making that list.

How did those of you who enjoyed the movie get through how so much of it had no real ultimate point to it in terms of assisting the plot as it's initially introduced? Or perhaps this is where we're going to differ and you'll say the plot IS the meandering pointless journey a good portion of the movie incorporates?
 
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Fek said:
I'm glad you guys n gals enjoyed it, but I don't think it was for me. I get it was a meandering trip through a time long since past. I understand it was about conveying how the director felt about the time period (especially the damage caused to Hollywood by the hippie movement). I just didn't remotely care for how aimless so much of the movie ended up feeling. Bored me and the woman to tears in some spots, I'm afraid.

I think the book store and movie theater visit (and most of that character period) is one of the hardest bits to sit through. Sure, you're showing how the culture used to be, you're showing feet because you're a sick fuck..but what in the goddamn shit is the point to it in terms of how it interacts with the rest of the movie? At not one single point in the entire movie does that character even HAVE a point other than just existing until right at the very, very, very end. I wouldn't call that good storytelling even if you're a director who's being a bit self indulgent.

I guess an awful lot of the movie came across like a head-up-ass masturbatory effort, to me. I've enjoyed some past Tarantino flicks, but this just isn't making that list.

How did those of you who enjoyed the movie get through how so much of it had no real ultimate point to it in terms of assisting the plot as it's initially introduced? Or perhaps this is where we're going to differ and you'll say the plot IS the meandering pointless journey a good portion of the movie incorporates?
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My husband felt nearly the same way as you did about the movie. And I totally get it; this movie isn't for everyone.

For me, I most certainly have an attachment to "Old Hollywood," as I grew up watching those kind of movies (and my husband did not). To me, this movie felt like a love letter to those times, and how ultimately Tarantino wished that things had played out differently so that the "Golden Age" had never ended in the first place.

I think that Leo's character represented this theme, with his career constantly being at stake throughout the movie only to have it saved because of how Tarantino re-wrote history about Sharon Tate's fate, thus letting his career AND the Golden Age of Hollywood continue.

I view this movie as far more thematic than plot-driven, if that makes sense. Indulgent in some parts? Maybe. But I personally found those moments to be very entertaining. Then again, I am someone who LOVED Death Proof, and most of that movie is just indulgent dialogue that doesn't pertain to the plot whatsoever. So take my opinion for whatever it's worth, haha. I maintain that this is Tarantino's most mature film since Jackie Brown though, and I definitely prefer this movie over his previous one (The Hateful Eight).
 
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Finally saw this today. As someone who grew to be pretty lukewarm on Tarantino, I enjoyed it far more than I thought. The usual Tarantino-isms are still there, but it feels like he's finally growing up as a storyteller to where it didn't feel too distracting, only really going balls-out at the end where it actually felt earned. Still, I'm glad we still have a director like him who can't sneeze without setting off a thousand salty thinkpieces.

I also like to think that me going to the bathroom during the Spahn Ranch scene was my body's way of warning me about Lena Dunham.
 
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Saw it with my mom and we both agreed, it's very hit or miss at times and it doesn't get engaging until Cliff goes to the ranch about an hour in.

The scenes that are engaging are the best scenes of Tarantino's career, imo. But the scenes that drag REALLY drag the film down.

So part of me wants to say it's my favorite Tarantino film while the other part wishes I was watching Jackie Brown


And holy fuck Margot Robbie deserves an oscar for her portrayal of Sharon.
 
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While I'm not a fan of Tarantino, I almost want to become one out of spite over the number of people trying to go all TARANTINO IS CANCELLED lately. Like so.

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Won't someone please think of the Manson girls whose only crime was not being respectful of the Hollywood old guard.
 
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