One Piece - I'm Gonna Be the Pirate King!

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If your entire argument is just gonna be "Oh well One Piece is more popular therefore it's good" then you're a retarded fag just like the rest of the fandom. My criticism for its absolutely dogshit pacing is not negated by anything you've said so far.
Popularity and passion are not the same. One Piece has a passionate fanbase. People do not go to watch hours of videos for a show that they are not fans of. Many shows have viewers. Only good ones have fans. Shows that fall off lose fans. Look at GoT, when it was good, it was everywhere. When it became bad, it disappeared.

Same thing happened with Lord of the Rings. The quality of the movies did not save TRoP.

Not really.
One Piece is a cash cow and Oda will drag on the story forever to make himself and the publishers money.
Then why are we reaching the end? We are within viewing distance of the treasure. Many mysteries have been revealed. Vegapunk we saw. Dragon's past too. Shanks' too. We are at ELBAF! THE END IS NEAR!

promise you, doing some basic revisions and cutting would bring 100+ chapter arcs like Dressrosa down to 25 or 30. I'm completely ok with the 5 trillion replays of that one girls backstory in dressrosa getting cut and I'm fine with Wano having 100 less chapters of either fucking nothing happening or the fights continuing with a stalemate.
Actually, that is correct. It would remove a lot of set-up for the future, it would not allow the story to breath, the villains would be defeated much faster and look weaker by default and a lot of context would be removed. But there is no way that affects the story negatively, right? Storytelling is like bug-fixing. You remove one line that you do not think is necessary and the whole thing crashes.

It's almost as if the story should've taken 400-600 chapters to complete and so Oda has to add in a minimum of 2-3 chapters of fucking filler and characters reacting to shit each time he has a chapter with something happening so he keep it going.
People like you would be the middle managers that enter new companies, change everything and make the entire enterprise lose money.

You want the MREs of storytelling. Edible by all, enjoyed by none.
 
We are within viewing distance of the treasure.
Because it eventually has to end. The publishers have other stories lined up ready to take One PIece's place (not to mention the animes run time after it ends). You act as if it's gonna end next year or something when we probably have hundreds of chapters left to go.
look weaker by default
I'm sure the 5 different fights with Kaido and 2 minute long punches were needed for the story to "breathe" and show Kaido's overwhelming strength right?
Popularity and passion are not the same. One Piece has a passionate fanbase. People do not go to watch hours of videos for a show that they are not fans of. Many shows have viewers. Only good ones have fans. Shows that fall off lose fans.
What you've stated is not an inevitability and the prime example of this is literally every dragged out show in western animation still having a sizable viewerbase. You wanna know the real reason as to why One Piece is more popular than ever? It's because anime is becoming more popular in the west meaning that every shows viewerbase is getting larger unless it's genuine hot garbage from start to finish like Seven Deadly Frames Sins.
You want the MREs of storytelling. Edible by all, enjoyed by none.
If I wrote like Oda, I would've failed every creative writing and English class in college for going over the page limit and making my papers and stories an absolute bore to read. You need to realize that conciseness increases impact in a story and it's something Oda and Toei struggle with.
 
You do realize that the manga running for an excessively long time is why it's the best selling right? Besides, you're acting as if a story becoming heavily monetized is an indication of how well written it is.
Didn't it outsell Dragon Ball before it reached the same amount of volumes?
 
Because it eventually has to end. The publishers have other stories lined up ready to take One PIece's place (not to mention the animes run time after it ends). You act as if it's gonna end next year or something when we probably have hundreds of chapters left to go.
Yes, it will go one for a while but there is steady progress to the goal. There is an end point. The journey is long, not neverending.

I'm sure the 5 different fights with Kaido and 2 minute long punches were needed for the story to "breathe" and show Kaido's overwhelming strength right?
A lot of that was in the anime. And yes, it was necessary to take long to beat Kaidou. Crocodile took 3 fights. Kaidou is an emperor. He was feared by the WG which we know has godlike being such as Imu and the Planets. Same goes for BM. If they went down easily, then the story would not make as much sense in hindsight. You have to take into account future-proofing the arcs. Also, you mentioned you could remove 100+ chapters from every arc, care to elaborate as to what you feel could be cut? With details, of course.

What you've stated is not an inevitability and the prime example of this is literally every dragged out show in western animation still having a sizable viewerbase. You wanna know the real reason as to why One Piece is more popular than ever? It's because anime is becoming more popular in the west meaning that every shows viewerbase is getting larger unless it's genuine hot garbage from start to finish like Seven Deadly Frames Sins.
Yeah, no. Anime is more popular and One Piece has been the spearhead. If people were losing interest, it would fall off. It would have fallen off well before it reached mainstream success in the west. Even if we accept that One Piece fell of after the time-skip, the time-skip started in 2010. Are you telling me that the good will gotten from the pre-time-skip era was enough to sustain through a 10-year era of slop before the manga reached mainstream? Do you think that people were reading about a story they hated, paid for merch depicting characters that bored them and were giving watching YT videos dissecting arc they disliked for a DECADE?! Goddamn! Are you taking the fentanyl version of copium?!

Shows that fall off completely after a slump do not make this amount of cash for such a long time. 2 years would have been fine. 5 years would have been understandable if unlikely. But 10?

Come on! The MCU fell of the moment Phase Bore came around and has remained there with few exceptions. Marvel declared bankruptcy a year after they fired Jim Shooter and quality control fell to the level of Satan's wine cellar. Later, sales for Iron Man, Spiderman, Captain America and Carol Danvers tanked harder than WW2 France during Blitzkrieg when each character had their respective controversial storyline. Image was exposed as a bunch of painters masquerading as writers almost immediately. DC's New 52 sucked from the beginning and sales reflected it. DCEU achieved nothing and died. Star Wars crashed the moment Ryan Johnson said "It's Johnsoning time" and Johnsoned all around. Sony's "Spiderman without Spiderman" universe was basically an aborted experiment regarding any movie without Venom in its name. Also, Disney. How is the box-office for those remakes?

Slop does not last this long. Good will runs out at lightspeed.

If I wrote like Oda, I would've failed every creative writing and English class in college for going over the page limit and making my papers and stories an absolute bore to read. You need to realize that conciseness increases impact in a story and it's something Oda and Toei struggle with.
Trust me, that says a whole lot more about how much of a sham college is than anything else.
 
Trust me, that says a whole lot more about how much of a sham college is than anything else.
"I would rather question the validity of an educational institution than admit my favorite anime has bad pacing"
:story:
Also, you mentioned you could remove 100+ chapters from every arc
Not what I said at all. My initial estimate of 400-600 was too short I'll admit (memory is foggy, I stopped keeping up with the manga after 2023) but it could easily be brought down to under 900 chapters with the content present right now. Factor in improvements to the animes pacing and you could have a solid 300-400, 20-25 minute episodes. Toei of course hates this because One Piece is supposed to be a weekly anime (I heard they're making it seasonal now, is that true?) and need it to stick to that even if it requires adding in insane amounts of filler.
I suppose my main problem with the pacing has to do with the anime but Oda is not using his time wisely and is neglecting the rest of the strawhats roles in the story in favor of temporary side characters brought in for each arc.
 
I am a tad disappointed the fruit is yet another Mythical Zoan (which at this point are as numerous as Logias) and it's another dragon.

But...it is a really fucking cool dragon, so I can't be mad.

You know, I just realized that, yeah, I don't think Sugar was ever made aware of Monet dying. Not that we see, unless I'm forgetting something?
Oh yeah! I keep forgetting about the Logias, even though poor Monet was one, which is part of why her death stung so much (for me), as she was (as far as I know) the first, (and maybe still the only? I can't remember any others.) canonical female Logia user, and then she was swept aside and randomly killed along with Burger face man.
But I did want to mention about Logias because they still have a bit of mystery to them (I mean beyond the general mystery of the Fruits.), as for whatever reason Vegapunk wasn't able to copy them through putting the user's blood into other people bodies, or just flat out making a copy like he did with Kaidou's. Also we still haven't seen what their Awakening looks like yet. The theory I've seen the most (in the past anyways) is that the Logia awakening turns the area around the user permanently into their element, like with Punk Hazard, or that island that was constantly raining purple Lightning.
 
"I would rather question the validity of an educational institution than admit my favorite anime has bad pacing"
:story:
When they tell you that a writer that has sold millions of copies does not know what he is doing then yes. The proof is in the pudding (no, not that one). Also, colleges are admitting students that do not have good grades and keep out those that do all for the purposes of DEI. We all know that. Not to mention the debt one is put through that they cannot pay unless they are a doctor. The education system is broken and that is well documented.

Not what I said at all. My initial estimate of 400-600 was too short I'll admit (memory is foggy, I stopped keeping up with the manga after 2023) but it could easily be brought down to under 900 chapters with the content present right now. Factor in improvements to the animes pacing and you could have a solid 300-400, 20-25 minute episodes. Toei of course hates this because One Piece is supposed to be a weekly anime (I heard they're making it seasonal now, is that true?) and need it to stick to that even if it requires adding in insane amounts of filler.
I suppose my main problem with the pacing has to do with the anime but Oda is not using his time wisely and is neglecting the rest of the strawhats roles in the story in favor of temporary side characters brought in for each arc.
True but you did say this:
One Piece is a cash cow and Oda will drag on the story forever to make himself and the publishers money. I promise you, doing some basic revisions and cutting would bring 100+ chapter arcs like Dressrosa down to 25 or 30.
Removing 80 or 90 chapters means major cuts. Still, enlighten me as to what YOU would like to remove from each arc.

I am waiting.

Oh yeah! I keep forgetting about the Logias, even though poor Monet was one, which is part of why her death stung so much (for me), as she was (as far as I know) the first, (and maybe still the only? I can't remember any others.) canonical female Logia user, and then she was swept aside and randomly killed along with Burger face man.
It was significantly less random. It was planned like that by Law. He knew that a petty man like Caesar would try to get the last laugh after his defeat so he stole Smoker's heart and pretended to give it to Caesar when in reality, he gave Monet's heart.

But I did want to mention about Logias because they still have a bit of mystery to them (I mean beyond the general mystery of the Fruits.), as for whatever reason Vegapunk wasn't able to copy them through putting the user's blood into other people bodies, or just flat out making a copy like he did with Kaidou's.

I assume it is because Logias change the DNA a tad bit too much for his current research to copy. They are avatars of nature. Fire has no DNA. A dragon does.

Also we still haven't seen what their Awakening looks like yet. The theory I've seen the most (in the past anyways) is that the Logia awakening turns the area around the user permanently into their element, like with Punk Hazard, or that island that was constantly raining purple Lightning.
That is my guess too.

I was going to bring up the fact that in your defense, lots of titles that have "gotten bad" still get merchandise that sells billions, look at The Simpsons but then I remembered the main difference between One Piece and The Simpsons is that One Piece is a continuing story where people are excited as to where it goes. The Simpsons and other "gotten bad" shows on the other hand have no reason to continue and every episode is an entire reset.
This is an interesting but unnecessary comparison. The Simpsons, while mediocre for a while, is a sitcom. Changes are anathema to this genre. Changes means reaching the end. Sitcoms are meant to last as long as possible. For that, they keep the circumstances and characters the same for as long as possible. They are also meant to be easy to pick up even in the middle or the end of the series. You turn on the tv and watch. It does not matter the episode, just watch. Remember "Friends"? As things changed with the characters and they moved on with their lives, circumstances changed and the show was ending. One Piece is a journey. While long, it was always a journey. Things change, the end was always the goal and you need to know what is going on so you better watch the rest of the series.
 
One Piece is so great that they just cut the anime order from 50 episodes a year to two mini-seasons of 13 episodes.

But, what's this I hear? One Piece is getting a new anime adaptation? Oh, its of the same popular pre-TS story arcs...

We're also in the longest gap between One Piece theatrical films since the series started, which is weird because Film Red was allegedly a massive hit.

But at least One Piece is still a best seller! (Just not outside Japan)

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People claiming One Piece is BIGGER THAN BATMAN don't realize just how much of a cultural juggernaut One Piece was, and mostly still is, in Japan. One Piece in Japan is as ubiquitous as Batman, or Mickey Mouse, or Bugs Bunny. Kids who never cracked a Shonen Jump nevertheless know who Luffy and Chopper are. That's why you're seeing a gradual decline--like the reduction of the anime, and no new movies--instead a sheer fall off a cliff.

Removing 80 or 90 chapters means major cuts. Still, enlighten me as to what YOU would like to remove from each arc.
Whole Cake Island: Everything between Luffy and Nami meeting Pudding and the Big Mom assassination attempt.
Wano: Anything involving Big Mom, Captain Kid, and Luffy in jail. Half the fights in Onigashima should be scaled back. Yamato.
Egghead: Kuma's flashback, and the fake fight against the seraphim.
 
One Piece is so great that they just cut the anime order from 50 episodes a year to two mini-seasons of 13 episodes.

But, what's this I hear? One Piece is getting a new anime adaptation? Oh, its of the same popular pre-TS story arcs...

We're also in the longest gap between One Piece theatrical films since the series started, which is weird because Film Red was allegedly a massive hit.

But at least One Piece is still a best seller! (Just not outside Japan)
People claiming One Piece is BIGGER THAN BATMAN don't realize just how much of a cultural juggernaut One Piece was, and mostly still is, in Japan. One Piece in Japan is as ubiquitous as Batman, or Mickey Mouse, or Bugs Bunny. Kids who never cracked a Shonen Jump nevertheless know who Luffy and Chopper are. That's why you're seeing a gradual decline--like the reduction of the anime, and no new movies--instead a sheer fall off a cliff.
You forget that the new anime is a remake. Also, the current anime has to deal with a general backlash against overworking in animation. After the JJK anime studio had the crunch scandal, every studio went on record that they would scale back work so as to not burn out the animators.

Whole Cake Island: Everything between Luffy and Nami meeting Pudding and the Big Mom assassination attempt.
So, the Cracker fight, Sanji's backstory and Sanji's fight with Luffy which was the emotional peak of the arc. Did you pick some of the things people like the most about the arc? Because the Sanji stuff is what made everyone love the character again. The only good thing about this arc you did not mention is the fight against Katakuri.

Wano: Anything involving Big Mom, Captain Kid, and Luffy in jail. Half the fights in Onigashima should be scaled back.
Ow, this is going to be something. So, we skip BM, even though she is still important into the story, we ignore one of the most interesting rivals of Luffy that helped take down the Emperor alliance and we also skip the training arc that Luffy had in order to be able to better use Haki (which was necessary in defeating Kaido) AND his earning of the trust of the once broken prisoners that bolstered their army and made taking on the Emperors possible in the first place.

Egghead: Kuma's flashback, and the fake fight against the seraphim.
Kuma's flashback... No words. As for the fake fight, it was important to know how strong these guys were. I could see it scaled back but removed outright? These guys were what they would replace the Warlords. They have to show that they are as big a threat as that implies.

Overall, you would remove what the rest of the 99% of the fanbase likes about the series or was important in the story. Thank God you do not edit the manga. It would not have made it to chapter 30 with you at the wheel. You would have made a story that very few like.
 
personally i dont get the whole "one piece is too long" complaints. my only issue is some of the filler arcs in the anime but even then its not nearly as awful as the naruto or bleach fillers where they just play sports or focus on some random side character nobody gives a fuck about. at least most of the one piece filler is interesting or funny or just a lead in to a movie.

ive always viewed every arc as its own adventure and series similar to how jojos bizzare adventure has its parts but is still all related to the joestar family.

i also recently rewatched dressrosa because i did not remember exactly how long it was and honestly watching it over it did not feel nearly as long as i remembered. maybe its because all the episodes are out so you can just go through way faster opposed to waiting for the manga or anime to release that week.

that being said if you wanna talk about something dragging just wait till the anime starts up again. elbaf is going to feel like 5 years depending on how much they skip or add in.

but i suspect this is their way to stop the anime from catching up to the manga and maybe even put a big gap between them so they can just return to the usual format later on.
 
Toei having that databreach a few years back I think was one of the other catalysts towards how they're approaching One Piece. It was funny as shit, but that actually scared them half to death, too. Think they had lost progress from it, also.
 
Also, colleges are admitting students that do not have good grades and keep out those that do all for the purposes of DEI.
This doesn't apply to a white man such as myself.
Removing 80 or 90 chapters means major cuts. Still, enlighten me as to what YOU would like to remove from each arc.
In regards to dressrosa alone, I would cut down on the length for literally every single fight including in that big ass thunderdome or whatever the name is.
If we're talking about the anime, remove all of the endless flashbacks, pauses to look at peoples reactions, and make the fights significantly shorter. None of this 2 minute buildup for a punch bullshit.
I only watched the anime up to dressrosa and I have a hard time remembering much because it's been 4 years since I watched the anime and 3 since I read the manga.
 
This doesn't apply to a white man such as myself.
Not as much but the main thing people learn in college now is how to protest and who is more marginalized at any given circumstance. They are activist recruitment centers. That is why you see so many college kids in protests that they do not know what they are protesting for and why.

In regards to dressrosa alone, I would cut down on the length for literally every single fight including in that big ass thunderdome or whatever the name is.
So, non-specific cuts. Just a vague "I would have made things shorter" meaningless statement that says something without saying anything. Like that scene from Spaceballs. "DO SOMETHING!"

At least the other guy had ideas about what to cut. Those ideas being cut would make those arc worse but at least he gave definitive answers. You? You just said "CUT SOMETHING!" and left it at that. Being at the editing room is harder than it looks, isn't it?
 
You do realize that the manga running for an excessively long time is why it's the best selling right? Besides, you're acting as if a story becoming heavily monetized is an indication of how well written it is.
Does it really have to always be a resident retard on this thread giving out low-effort bait or generally shitting up this thread?
I swear, one goes and another one comes. Like there was a factory of them somewhere.

Weird shit.
 
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