Yes, but that has only mattered when Zoans are awakened and only if the user is weak willed.
Fuck if I know, I stopped caring about her after she noped out of her marriage because "MUH LOKI IS CURSED!"
I think that he might have told him half-truths because full-truths invite Buster Calls. If Harald, in his well intentioned foolishness, confronted anyone high up about the truth of Ohara, Elbaf would have been visited by God's Knights far sooner.
My assumption is that he guessed that there would be shady things (as nearly all governments do) but he did not imagine THIS!
I joke about it but I do not think they are stupid. They must have not run into the stronger humans in their travels. Ancient Giants are even stronger so there would be even less to oppose them. So yeah, they probably lived in a bubble until the last century.
This entire flashback is pretty poorly written. A lot of shit is handwaved or not expanded upon, basically all the Giants look like faggots who’d get rolled by an admiral, Harald’s story is more rushed than Oden (which was fucking long), and in general is fucked.
NO BORDERS! NO WALLS! NO ELBAF AT ALL!
I know you are baiting. I just do not like the fact that some people might actually turn the "common knowledge" into accepted fact. In case you do not understand what that means, it means that lies or headcanons are repeated so often that they become known by people as fact. You hear enough people say that one chapter confirmed something and it is believed even if it is wrong.
Yes, they probably would be defeated by an Admiral. Elbaf still has better military than every other country. They are the strongest nation, not the strongest army/fleet. The strongest army/fleet is the Marines. See what I mean. I do not care about your "I am only pretending to be retarded" bait. Your SERIOUS thoughts and opinions are actually, factually misinformed and brought appon by misunderstandings/misreading the script. You trying to be smart sound retarded. The WG did not invade not because they did not think their Admirals would win. They did not invade because getting the giants to join willingly is infinitely more helpful than coercing them into begrudging slavery. What happens now on Elbaf is a last resort.
OR, you know, Carmel groomed John to want to be a Marine and got him to go willingly. Are you seriously telling me that a trafficker of her vast experience would be incapable of grooming a child and selling him to the Marines? She got paid by the WG and sold a sob story about how it always was his dream.
I would say that the closest would be Dressrosa but even then that is pushing it. They have an army and a warrior culture but they were strict pacifists even then. They could still kick ass and they were willing to when threatened. Harald's dream is unrealistic to the point Oda might actually be revealing what he thinks about those who advocate for that stuff IRL. I do not want to pretend to know his full political leanings lest I start sounding like I electrocute dogs.
Imu's power look like actual magic. I assume he thought the tattoo was for identification (flash it and they know you are a brotha) as opposed to granting you power. He looked really surprised when he felt strength surging into him. I suppose that the joy of having Elbaf as a member prevented him from questioning further until much later when he found out about the possession.
It was different. Oden had little choice. A rematch with Kaidou was not going to happen and while he probably knew better, he hoped against hope that Orochi would have some decency in him. In the end, Oden knew that he would die but wanted a death like Roger's. One that would inspire the people of Wano. He, like Yasuie, knew that a death like that would embarrass Orochi more than it would help him and sow the seeds of hope and rebellion.
This was helped by the waterfalls.
It is not only "Yes The World Government will win" but it is a question of what the world government will lose. Lets say the World Government attempts an invasion Pre-Depths contract, that means Harold is forced to fight back which means you have one Admiral tied up in that fight. Jarul and Loki are probably within that same ballpark given that they are the ones who seemingly subdue the Depths-Harold.
Oden was also arguably winning that fight until Hag lady pulled her bullshit.
Honestly, I'd say that the issue is that it's supposed to be about Loki. Only for things to go to Harald, then to Rocks, then to God Valley, then back to Harald, and then it's supposed to get back to the present where Loki is chained to a tree and Luffy is trying to free him, responding to all the claims Loki is bad news by going "lol no he's not".
Didn't Harald ask about Imu being on the throne as soon as he saw Imu? If anything, you could talk about Harald being all in on doing things like putting in pentagrams in the throne room.
Basically this. They cannot attack Elbaf for the same reason they cannot attack Yonko: If they start one conflict, they risk being easy pickings for the others. If Kaidou was more interested in the WG as opposed to WB (he probably wanted Marco's DF), then the Marines would be in trouble. That is why they backed off when Shanks made landing.
Maintaining control is always important. Can you imagine BM attacking the Marines and the giants becoming willing to let bygones be bygones for the shake of the kids?
I do not disagree but good luck with that rematch pitch meeting. Kaidou won and he is upset but he knows pragmatism.
We are getting context. We cannot judge Harald's actions without knowing about Ida and God Valley. Let the flashback cook and let it settle for a while.
You see, you are using real life shorthand. The pentagram is just a symbol in the eyes of someone from OP. We know it is used in evil rituals but that is not common knowledge in OP. As for Imu, Harald does not understand humans all that much. He might have thought that keeping it a secret was some human thing. Harald does not have a sharp mind, just a stubborn one.
Yes he did, it was in the latest chapter!
Rephrasing the question: "Why wasn't the revelation of one of the biggest deceptions of the World Government (the existence of Imu) enough to activate one of Harald's two brain cells to wonder if maybe these guys aren't being completely candid with him about anything else? Like allowing Elbaf into the World Government? Or to live peacefully?"
Rocks said nothing other than "I worship Davy Jones" and a subtle death threat. The Davy Clan was found out by pure coincidence by Garling who was in the area at the time and his red-haired woman probably blabbed without thinking. None of the Holy Knights or Imu found out the connection to Rocks until God Valley was going down and he was in the thick of it himself. Imu got so pissed on finding this out that he mistook Rocks for Jones (or let the name slip in anger, he just calls him "Davy" after taking control of him).
Yeah, I can conseed that. Still, considering Imu's paranoia regarding Davy, the last thing he should have done is that. You do not reveal your hand like that. Not when you know what you are dealing with. Rocks knew of what Imu was, even if he did not know the full extend. BB, for all his cowardness, is playing it smarter.
Honestly, Oda shaking things up by making a supposed-future Straw Hat's flashback be overtaken by the real MVP(s) of the backstory was pretty kino.
I think it is safe to presume that Cipher Pol saw that Blackbeard was married and tracked where his wife was sent and Garland went there to investigate.
And now the WG are attacking Elbaf and getting everything they want, along with the bonus of Elbaf willingly destroying a bunch of stuff about their history in an attempt to save the children, who are now mind-controlled to walk off a ledge while they are wrapped by thorns that manifest if anyone tries to save them. And all the Straw Hats that tried to stop this got their assses kicked while the monsters are nowhere to be found. This attack on Elbaf is not just a success for Imu and the God's Knights, it has reached a level of "the villains have this in the bag and are so unstoppable, the only way they come close to losing is an ass pull on the level of Masashi Kishimoto." And now the WG will probably have Elbaf as a bunch of mind-controlled zombie drones with orders to wreck everything as they go around crushing rebellions and folks learning things they shouldn't learn. And Rocks showed the only way to stop it is to have the willpower to beg for a mercy killing. I really feel like the next step is just to go all in on the exploits of Imu and the God's Knights and just wait to see how Luffy will factor into how they're defeated, which Oda is already starting to do.
I think you are overreacting a bit. We already know what Luffy can do to stop this: Conqueror's Haki and Nika. Haki can counteract DF powers and Nika is known as "The Warrior of Liberation" so that might have something to do with removing brainwashing. It is so obvious in hindsight. Nika is not just feared for his rubbery, reality-warping powers, he is also feared for his ability to free those demonized by Imu. That is a perfectly valid reason to want him dead. Everything is connected.
You may be onto something. My thing is just how everything here is going to shit while Luffy is arguing with a bunch of people, and both Luffy and who he’s arguing with are refusing to budge. It’s as if to set up Luffy and that group he’s with coming across to see Elbaf on fire, the children going to their doom, and the giants as are all brainwashed murder drones, and one of the giants to go “way to go, Straw Hat. You’ve doomed us all and caused our country to be destroyed. Nice going, you fucking idiot.”
I think they should blame Harald for that more than Luffy. Their worship of Nika was never going to fly under the WG no matter what. Even mentioning Nika within earshot is considered dangerous enough to be disappeared as Who's Who revealed. Imu wanted his giants more now than ever. Luffy is the only reason they even stand a chance. I doubt that they are that ungrateful.
I did not mean to sound apprehensive. It is just a bit frustrating to hear everyone call everything an asspull. You set things up two arcs ago and people act like there was no buildup. I hear that about a lot of anime. Character A was established as capable of doing thing B. Character A does thing B and the day is saved! You do things as simple as that and someone will try to act as if it came out of nowhere! These people have the attention span of a toddler with ADHD on speed and somehow expect the story to keep up with their TikTok-rotten brain while maintaining quality. Excuse the author for expecting you to have decent memory and attention span. And these guys are filling the web with their takes. God help us...
Good point and this is huge. Where the fuck is Lola? I was expecting her to be pretty relevant for Loki. And Harald "why yes, I do very much love sucking the goverment's cock" doesn't seem like the type that would ever consider a political marriage to a Yonkou. I'm not at my freshest with dates but I'm pretty sure Lola being engaged to Loki was before Harald was killed and Loki was perma locked.