Law Ontario passes Bill 89, allowing the State to take kids whose gender identity is neglected

Right-Side
http://www.breitbart.com/big-govern...dren-from-parents-opposing-gender-transition/
http://dailysignal.com/2017/06/27/new-law-canada-remove-kids-parents-reject-transgender-ideology/
http://www.theblaze.com/news/2017/0...-if-parents-dont-accept-kids-gender-identity/

Left-Side
https://www.buzzfeed.com/ishmaeldaro/ontario-bill-89-gender-changes?utm_term=.lfom4jjLD#.tjqgdJJ0E
https://www.nbcnews.com/feature/nbc...ill-extending-transgender-protections-n773421

Essentially, children in Foster Care whose caretakers try to correct their gender identity may have the state intervene. The state claims that the bar for taking a child is very high and the gender identity issue must be a part of a pattern of abuse. A lot of hysteria is about this happening in bloodline households, but that doesn't seem to be the case. A child services minister in Ontario commented that a fostercare parent trying to enforce gender identity would be akin to them trying to force a child to not believe in Jesus Christ, which is a pretty strong argument IMO.

Do you think this bill is outrageous? Vote now with your cellular telephone

 

[Feline Darkmage]

I once watched a Logicked video where he breaks down why this bill isn't as big of a deal or change from Canada's previous laws about this kind of thing aside from the different wording.

A lot of hysteria is about this happening in bloodline households, but that doesn't seem to be the case.

This was a main point in the video itself too. Lots of fearmongering Christian kind of websites started spewing this claim and for some reason people even in the whole youtube Atheism/Skeptic-sphere started buying into this. Proving that atheists really aren't any smarter than Theists.

I went through some of the bill itself and don't think it'll change much unless Canada has some kind of supreme court interpreting it to be larger than it's intended. But I'm not sure on how different it is from the US because I've never lived up in Canuckistan.

 

[Oh Long Johnson]

lol, like children in foster homes aren't fucked from go regardless.

 

[NIGGO KILLA]

enjoy foster care you selfless fucks, trust us its better than your loving parents house

 

[Ineedahero]

It's only about foster kids, and I don't see any egregious problems with it, aside from the constant creep of gender politics into every aspect of Canada's government.

 

[Jerry_ smith56]

Right-Side
http://www.breitbart.com/big-govern...dren-from-parents-opposing-gender-transition/
http://dailysignal.com/2017/06/27/new-law-canada-remove-kids-parents-reject-transgender-ideology/
http://www.theblaze.com/news/2017/0...-if-parents-dont-accept-kids-gender-identity/

Left-Side
https://www.buzzfeed.com/ishmaeldaro/ontario-bill-89-gender-changes?utm_term=.lfom4jjLD#.tjqgdJJ0E
https://www.nbcnews.com/feature/nbc...ill-extending-transgender-protections-n773421

Essentially, children in Foster Care whose caretakers try to correct their gender identity may have the state intervene. The state claims that the bar for taking a child is very high and the gender identity issue must be a part of a pattern of abuse. A lot of hysteria is about this happening in bloodline households, but that doesn't seem to be the case. A child services minister in Ontario commented that a fostercare parent trying to enforce gender identity would be akin to them trying to force a child to not believe in Jesus Christ, which is a pretty strong argument IMO.

Do you think this bill is outrageous? Vote now with your cellular telephone

There's no such thing a transgendered child anyway. The way a child can be transgendered is if the parents made them believe that.

 

[HG 400]

children in Foster Care

And that's where us non-orphans who are loved by our parents stop caring.

 

[InLivingTuna]

I'll have to see how this plays out in practice before I can say if this is too far or not. I do think that some forms of homo/transphobia should be considered child abuse (such as conversion camps or Mike Pence's Electric Hands) and the idea of forcing a child to act in a way that ascribes to their physical gender under fear of punishment is over the line of what I'd consider to be okay. Reactionaries should pick their battles on this, when they start jailing parents who forget to call their kid Xir then I'd be much more scared.

 

[InLivingTuna]

And that's where us non-orphans who are loved by our parents stop caring.

 

[The Carolignian]

Right-Side
http://www.breitbart.com/big-govern...dren-from-parents-opposing-gender-transition/
http://dailysignal.com/2017/06/27/new-law-canada-remove-kids-parents-reject-transgender-ideology/
http://www.theblaze.com/news/2017/0...-if-parents-dont-accept-kids-gender-identity/

Left-Side
https://www.buzzfeed.com/ishmaeldaro/ontario-bill-89-gender-changes?utm_term=.lfom4jjLD#.tjqgdJJ0E
https://www.nbcnews.com/feature/nbc...ill-extending-transgender-protections-n773421

Essentially, children in Foster Care whose caretakers try to correct their gender identity may have the state intervene. The state claims that the bar for taking a child is very high and the gender identity issue must be a part of a pattern of abuse. A lot of hysteria is about this happening in bloodline households, but that doesn't seem to be the case. A child services minister in Ontario commented that a fostercare parent trying to enforce gender identity would be akin to them trying to force a child to not believe in Jesus Christ, which is a pretty strong argument IMO.

Do you think this bill is outrageous? Vote now with your cellular telephone

Why have you linked to only one reliable source on this? Breitbart and Buzzfeed aren't even worth the tissue I blew my nose with four hours ago......

 

[Kugelsak Kastengrus 6th]

Not being called your preferred pronoun should be the least of your worries when you're in foster care.

 

[Chan the Wizard]

Not being called your preferred pronoun should be the least of your worries when you're in foster care.

Unless Canada is way better than the US, which it probably is on this, they can’t even rescue kids that are being kept in dog cages and starved to death in the foster care system.

 

[KM 749]

Not being called your preferred pronoun should be the least of your worries when you're in foster care.

You're not just in foster care, but the first group of parents who are willing to deal with you are going to be the far-left nutjobs who want to feel good about raising a "troubled child" in order to feel good about themselves for supporting the current political fads of the day.

What results is that these children are going to be raised to be as fruity and as intolerant as they can be of "hate", "oppression" and "conformity", and will be cut off from many other things that are normal and healthy for a child to engage in, or an adult to believe in. There will probably be news stories that center around the couple "giving new hope to the oppressed" and "letting the children have their say", creating a feel good media storm that only further boosts the child's entitlement. If they weren't fucked already, just wait until some of them realize that they may not be transgender after all, and imagine the storm of fury and indignance that would arise.

Also, the last time where we let children have a say on these issues is not a very proud memory:

This video has EVERYTHING you need to know about the susceptibility of children to change their answers due to the desire for the adult to receive a certain answer. And look where it leads to.

 

[Sinner's Sandwich]

This video has EVERYTHING you need to know about the susceptibility of children to change their answers due to the desire for the adult to receive a certain answer. And look where it leads to.

There is a video about a young trans "boy" where it's totally clear that the troon father err "mother" is leading her on.
For example he asks her if she wants to do quite girl things or loud fun boy things etc.

 

[KingCoelacanth]

If a Muslim kid tells his parents he's gay or that he's a girl in a boys body, and his parents 'neglect' this, will he be taken away?
Or does this only affect white, Christian parents?

 

[AnOminous]

Essentially, children in Foster Care whose caretakers try to correct their gender identity may have the state intervene.

This is a lot different than if natural parents have their kid trooned out by some pedophile teacher who then tries to have them taken away by the state.

You get foster kids the way you get them, and there should really be no tolerance for fucking with them. Lots of foster parents are just a bunch of mercenary fucks who do it for the gummint bucks anyway, and anyone who takes in foster kids with some agenda isn't doing it to help them.

 

[Uncle Warren]

If you think about it, the bill can also come into play if let's say...

A tranny couple adopt a kid, then try to force the kid to be genderqueer/tranny/intersex/etc. when the kid isn't any of that. That could possibly come into play if the kid is also being mentally or physically abused for being normal (since I'm assuming that the forced gender identity would not be the only factor in removing a child, that'd be silly.)

Unfortunately most idiots think it'd be only with normal parents with a kid who wanna be the unique snowflake.

 

[QI 541]

It's probably OK in wording but it'll fail in practice somehow.

 

[Taily Puff]

Lots of foster parents are just a bunch of mercenary fucks who do it for the gummint bucks anyway, and anyone who takes in foster kids with some agenda isn't doing it to help them.

Don't forget the molesters. Anyone excited about filling their house with emotionally fragile and easily manipulated children who are already probably traumatized is likely either a saint or a monster. And in my experience the world contains very few saints.

 

[BadaBadaBoom]

"Neglected" is pretty damn vague because that implies you aren't doing enough to allow the behavior to persist. It's not "respecting" their right to call themselves what they want. So is it neglect to not allow them to wear whatever close they want? Take what ever hormones they want? Get what ever surgeries they want?
What constitutes this neglect?