Diseased Open Source Software Community - it's about ethics in Code of Conducts

[Don Yagon]

What's the biggest and most influential OSS project? Need a hint?

Minix 3

 

[DavidS877]

Minix 3

I'm going to go with BSD.

 

[Ferryman]

I've done the PC Engines thing, but unfortunately they're going out of business.

That's a shame, looked like a cool little tinkering project. I ended up getting the OpenWRT One. Completely free of proprietary firmware & made by the OpenWRT devs. Seems pretty promising, will poost once I get it going.

 

[mr_negativity]

What's the biggest and most influential OSS project? Need a hint?

I'm guessing a javascript framework, like React.js

 

[Kosher Dill]

What's the biggest and most influential OSS project? Need a hint?

I'm casting my vote for gcc.

But I'm sure by some measures Chromium takes the crown as it's essentially the world's primary OS for both phones and desktops - even if it depends on bootloaders like "Android" or "Windows".

 

[Maldavius Figtree]

What's the biggest and most influential OSS project? Need a hint?

I'm just trying to offer an explanation for the "Diseased" tag, because some of my fellow autists seemed confused. Look at the title:
"Open Source Software Community"

It's not a chatbox. It's not a smalltalk thread for talking about open source software. It's not for discussing your favorite distro or if 2025 will finally be the year of Linux on desktop or whether GIMP will finally surpass Photoshop if a circle drawing feature is added or whatever autistic shit you inappropriately deeply care about.
It's a thread for discussing lolcows and lolcowish behavior in the open source software community.

Not trying to backseat mod here. Not angry at anyone. Carry on posting whatever you want. Again: Just offering an explanation.

 

[Mikoyan]

It's not a chatbox. It's not a smalltalk thread for talking about open source software. It's not for discussing your favorite distro or if 2025 will finally be the year of Linux on desktop or whether GIMP will finally surpass Photoshop if a circle drawing feature is added or whatever autistic shit you inappropriately deeply care about.
It's a thread for discussing lolcows and lolcowish behavior in the open source software community.

Also: That's what the linux thread is for explicitly.

 

[Cherenkovblue]

What's the biggest and most influential OSS project? Need a hint?

BSD.

Stay mad.

 

[Battlefield42]

I'm just trying to offer an explanation for the "Diseased" tag, because some of my fellow autists seemed confused. Look at the title:
"Open Source Software Community"

It's not a chatbox. It's not a smalltalk thread for talking about open source software. It's not for discussing your favorite distro or if 2025 will finally be the year of Linux on desktop or whether GIMP will finally surpass Photoshop if a circle drawing feature is added or whatever autistic shit you inappropriately deeply care about.
It's a thread for discussing lolcows and lolcowish behavior in the open source software community.

Not trying to backseat mod here. Not angry at anyone. Carry on posting whatever you want. Again: Just offering an explanation.

Diseased title came from trackpad vs mouse nipple discussion.

 

[One Angry Computer]

BSD.

Stay mad.

Nice try, but it wasn't open source when it was created, only code available. I will however agree that Berkley is very based by making it open afterwards.

 

[Jeff Q. Anime]

Recently while wondering about the lack of updates in Funkwhale, I visited their blog...

https://blog.funkwhale.audio/2025-funkwhale-against-fascism.html

Cool, focus on that instead of fixing your federation features that have *always been broken as hell*... I've been looking for excuses to move off of it anyway... *coping*

 

[Cherenkovblue]

Nice try, but it wasn't open source when it was created, only code available. I will however agree that Berkley is very based by making it open afterwards.

The term "open source" was in use long before the OSI came along and appropriated it. It was used specifically to mean "source available and modifiable". If you think otherwise, Martin Tournoij has an article compiling a list of citations predating the OSI's use. I'm particularly fond of the episode of Computer Chronicles where they interview Bill Joy about BSD. No amount of chest-thumping that the OSI alone gets to define open source will make it so. They tried and failed to secure a trademark and certification mark and wound up abandoning their attempts because it was deemed a generic term with prior use. The world was filled with open source software long before RMS came along and appropriated it for his infosocialist pipedream.

 

[One Angry Computer]

The term "open source" was in use long before the OSI came along and appropriated it. It was used specifically to mean "source available and modifiable". If you think otherwise, Martin Tournoij has an article compiling a list of citations predating the OSI's use. I'm particularly fond of the episode of Computer Chronicles where they interview Bill Joy about BSD. No amount of chest-thumping that the OSI alone gets to define open source will make it so. They tried and failed to secure a trademark and certification mark and wound up abandoning their attempts because it was deemed a generic term with prior use. The world was filled with open source software long before RMS came along and appropriated it for his infosocialist pipedream.

Fuck the OSI, worse than those patent trolls faggots from Nintendo. And thanks for the history lesson, you can't trust anything put on "veritable sources" on the internet anymore, just word of mouth coming from people who knows their stuff.

A really sad state of affairs, truly.
BSD and its direct children lost the Unix wars, the penguin got the last laugh at the end.

 

[306h4Ge5eJUJ]

The world was filled with open source software long before RMS came along and appropriated it for his infosocialist pipedream.

That's why RMS specifically insists that he's not talking about open source, but free software.

 

[Cherenkovblue]

That's why RMS specifically insists that he's not talking about open source, but free software.

There are two problems with this assertion:

1. If Open Source is defined by the Open Source Definition, which is literally the Debian Free Software Guidelines with the serial numbers filed off, then it's the same thing. If not, well, keep reading.

2. "Free Software" existed long before Stallman arrived on the scene. Copyleft as a concept began with the TinyBASIC project (and as a coinage with Li-Chen Wang's Palo Alto Tiny BASIC), which was a direct response to Bill Gates's 1976 letter, An Open Letter to Hobbyists. "Free Software" likewise began with Andrew Fluegelman's Freeware project whereby PC-TALK was released at no charge, with source code available, and people began making modifications (which remain in circulation to this day through the PC-RED, PC-GREEN, and PC-BLUE collections, along with other early bits of freeware and shareware). If one is not concerned about labels but only practices then "Free Software" was the norm prior to 1978 since software was not considered a copyrightable work prior to the Commission on New Technological Uses of Copyrighted Wroks (CONTU) recommending software be classified as a form of literature in order to shoehorn it into the recently-passed Copyright Act of 1976, as evidenced by the software designed and released by SHARE and DECUS.

Stallman's only novel contribution (if it can be called that) was in demanding source code for modifications instead of money. The rest of what he talks about predates him and was appropriated by him for his own ends... just like he (rightly) accuses Eric Raymond, et al. of doing with Open Source.

 

[306h4Ge5eJUJ]

Stallman's only novel contribution (if it can be called that) was in demanding source code for modifications instead of money.

That distinction is pretty fucking important. What point are you even trying to make? No shit Stallman didn't invent the concept of sharing source code, nobody claims he did either.

 

[Sargon's wife's son]

I hate how some of the open source softwares have been invested with literal nonsense additional programs especially audacity.
No I don't want all the other nonsense programs you're slapping on top of it

 

[Cherenkovblue]

That distinction is pretty fucking important. What point are you even trying to make? No shit Stallman didn't invent the concept of sharing source code, nobody claims he did either.

It's really not. The world got along just fine without it for decades. The point is that he hijacked a movement that started without him in order to push his infosocialist beliefs. Thankfully, most people just want software that works rather than commieware, and therefore don't much care about the license as long as it works. In that respect, his efforts have been an abject failure.

 

[skunt]

The point is that he hijacked a movement that started without him in order to push his infosocialist beliefs. Thankfully, most people just want software that works rather than commieware, and therefore don't much care about the license as long as it works. In that respect, his efforts have been an abject failure.

 

[Cherenkovblue]

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