Diseased Open Source Software Community - it's about ethics in Code of Conducts

[meniche]

Not a single person actually uses Wayback to do anything.

Of course, because it didn't even reach beta quality yet and there are no packages outside of some testing branches.
But their software being unfinished and unusable, never stopped troons from advertising it.

And even if it would have a stable release, there isn't a reason why anyone would run it, as long as xorg exists.
The purpose of wayback is to offer an answer to all the people who will come asking:

I am using this desktop environment with this x11 window manager or compositor, what should i do?

Once they officially admit that xorg is discontinued.

And it is a deliberately bad solution. A stripped down wayland compositor that runs XWayland to then run a x11 compositor.
People who follow their advice and use it, will have a buggy broken environment and will be asked to "upgrade" to native wayland when they complain.

 

[Cuckoman]

This might be interesting. The store of recorded videos from the conference has been updated and it has videos from the day after (for example a talk on the "security of Debian" from yesterday afternoon) and videos from the same day and room as his talk ("federated instant messaging" immediately preceded his talk in the grand amphitheatre). But unless they've named it something different I can't see Bicha's talk on "What's new in Debian 13 for Gnome".

Meaning they're deliberately omitting it. I wonder what is going on behind the scenes. Not that I think they should post it. Frankly, I think it may well be the right decision not to. But what are their reasons and will they say? Was their disruption? Imagine we'd have heard about that if so. Are they planning to simply release it when they imagine the fuss will have died down? Or have I just missed the file somehow?

Schedule: https://debconf25.debconf.org/schedule/
Video archive: https://meetings-archive.debian.net/pub/debian-meetings/2025/DebConf25/?C=M;O=D

I think it is the right call to make to suppress it.
After all, there are thousands of people visiting the conference, some from very far away. Pretty much all of them are innocent and had no idea at all about this.
Don't ruin the conference for these people or turn it into a circus because of one faggot that the state of Florida should have had executed a decade ago.

Then in the private backroom all the organizers can curse the faggot to hell and make sure that never ever again will he be allowed to attend.
But don't ruin the conference for everyone else.

 

[REEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEE!]

I think it is the right call to make to suppress it.
After all, there are thousands of people visiting the conference, some from very far away. Pretty much all of them are innocent and had no idea at all about this.
Don't ruin the conference for these people or turn it into a circus because of one faggot that the state of Florida should have had executed a decade ago.

Then in the private backroom all the organizers can curse the faggot to hell and make sure that never ever again will he be allowed to attend.
But don't ruin the conference for everyone else.

I'm pretty sure most of the people attending the conference are the same ones who nursed this rot.

 

[SCV]

Let's wash our mouth of the taste of debian and horrific pedophiles (that came out wrong...) at least until they re-offend.

To continue the trend of kvetching about dumb hair-splitting retards, I was not aware that Phoronix had such deranged commenters. Case in point: their article about the newest release of Libreboot (archive). The OP is what you'd expect, but the comments are pretty entertaining, to say the least. They fail to ever get a proper conversation off the ground because an FSF dickrider immediately starts arguing with a muh trannies guy, entirely missing the point of what should be modern discussion about Libreboot: not so much their decision to incorporate minimal instead of no proprietary blobs, but what the actual technical implications of that are. I hate that every core/libre/gnu/whatever-boot discussion boils down to hair-splitting about what blob goes where and dumb schoolyard drama. At this point any difference in the extent to which modern and old Libreboot neuter the ME's capability as a remote access / spyware tool is purely philosophical. There is no practical difference between the ME present on a T480 vs something like a T440p. But the hair splitting continues because people love to be retarded.

I think this is an interesting question. What would be a good policy distinction here? I agree with the base argument for both sides, that is, "I should be able to modify any firmware on devices I own/firmware should be FOSS" and "data burned into a ROM chip is hardware or close enough".

The dumb answer is "no ROM chips" but if some vendor just etched the firmware into the main chip for whatever device using EUV lithography it's effectively the same thing as putting firmware in ROM (and much more expensive). On the other side trying to make everything FOSS isn't really possible unless we just start shipping FPGAs (also much more expensive and with their own bring up firmware similar to the IME, naturally) to everyone and you download a car network card which would be way too expensive.

So what's the right answer? All hardware comes with a complete verilog implementation? A set of fuzzing rules to make sure the hardware (ROM firmware or not) isn't backdoored? Tell me your thoughts, chayt.

And on a completely separate topic: Pulseaudio (pottering ware, but has been beaten into working-ish) or Pipewire (replace everything because it's better:tm: just like gayland). I would particularly like @CrunkLord420 s take on this.

 

[AnOminous]

The man turned out to be a violent criminal, locked away in an insane asylum. Afterward, this editor continued to accept the crazy criminal's contributions where they proved correct and useful, and the criminal stayed locked up.

W.C. Minor wasn't a menace to anyone by that point. They're sending out this guy to interact with the public at conferences where there are families with children, while desperately doing everything imaginable to make sure potential victims don't know a violent sex predator is among them.

And it's not just Reddit, all the big tech companies are trying to normalize it by forcing the use of the term "CSAM" instead of "child pornography", using a variety of disingenuous arguments. The main effect is to (1) make offenses sound less severe than they are by replacing a term everybody knows with an acronym that sounds like either a database format like ISAM or VSAM, or maybe a sequel to CSGO, and (2) to subtly indoctrinate the public with the idea that the biggest problem with child pornography isn't that it involves children, it's that it involves abuse (phase 2 will be introducing the idea of "non-abusive" child pornography that should be legal to possess).

No it isn't, it's a term invented by the FBI because not all that gets prosecuted as CSAM is pornography. Additionally, not all "child pornography" is CSAM. Some of it is voluntarily created by the minors themselves and then gets into the hands of pedophiles. So the original material may not be of abuse or even have been illegal, even though as child pornography, it was illegal to create and is illegal to possess.

 

[Overly Serious]

Ngl "Mein Kampf mit IMB" goes kinda hard.

If anybody gets to write a book titled "My Struggle" it's a normal person trying to work in the Open Source community!

FYI, he is going to do the same talk at GUADEC in a week, so you could watch it there.

Hmmmm. I wonder if this might grow and people start trying to raise awareness amongst attendees at the Gnome conference?

But don't ruin the conference for everyone else.

Counterpoint: It's a 20 minute talk about information you can likely get just from the mailing list of Discord. And were I an attendee and you're basing things around my needs, my choice would be to know someone did this stuff so I can avoid him like the plague.

I'm pretty sure most of the people attending the conference are the same ones who nursed this rot.

It'll be a mix. I used to go to things like this when I was much younger and I wasn't bad, I was just wildly naive and a bit stupid. I'm ashamed to say I was probably that kind of smart stupid that might have even fallen for some of this "quality of work is the only thing that matters" abstraction. That's still my position today when it comes to politics or religion, but I'm no longer so naive about what horrors people are capable of and for someone like this it goes out the window because I don't just think they shouldn't be part of an organisation - I think they shouldn't be part of society.

 

[Ferryman]

So what's the right answer? All hardware comes with a complete verilog implementation? A set of fuzzing rules to make sure the hardware (ROM firmware or not) isn't backdoored? Tell me your thoughts, chayt.

The ideal answer IMO would be to give everyone who purchases a new machine a bespoke decryption key for their specific IME/EC implementation. The issue with the IME has always been the hard encryption it hides behind, and even in today's world where you can use a CVE to bust BootGuard, you still do not know exactly what it does. The "official" answers given by Intel and their ballwashers when asked 'why not give users this ability" is usually that either the ME and other low level systems are tied up in too many licenses for them to ever be open sourced, or that it is a paid-for feature. Of course, the real answer is more likely that it is either a three letter glowie backdoor and/or an anti-consumer DRM tool. Its probably both if you ask me. It follows the same corpnigger mentality of "on, you don't NEED to know what that does, just consoom!" that plagues Microsoft, Apple and if Red Hat/IBM have their way, Systemd-based operating systems. If I had my way and I could will it, this shit would either be decryptable in the BIOS or not encrypted at all, especially on non-business computers.

 

[Atlas Sneezed]

Missed a chance there Grok. His pronouns should be pe/do.

In fact, quick edit of @Nozo-miko 's pic of this Nosferatu looking creature and...

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There we go. Somebody should stick a few of those up around DebConf 2025.

EDIT: Was just a throw-away joke but fuck-it, I stuck a link to the Lunduke video about him on the bottom. Probably fanciful that anyone will share this image but if so, at least anyone seeing it will be able to learn what he did.

Well look what I found, curiously it hasn't been taken down yet

 

[KingFrampt]

Wiki vandalizing is worse than raping a little girl till she can't pee.

The Jeremy Bicha expose continues to bring retarded mouth breathers out the wood works, lovely

 

[Overly Serious]

Well look what I found, curiously it hasn't been taken down yet

Michael is sleeping!

You know right now this whole affair is on a slow burn, but it does seem to be spreading more and more.

Wiki vandalizing is worse than raping a little girl till she can't pee.

The Jeremy Bicha expose continues to bring retarded mouth breathers out the wood works, lovely

Some of the takes are just weirdly abstract and I think the authors sometimes just aren't really connected to reality or feeling. It's weird process-flow thinking of "he has paid his debt to society, delete from register" stuff. Paid his debt? I don't think a debt like that could ever be paid. Nor was his punishment at all proportional to what he inflicted on others.

 

[Heliantheae]

It's weird process-flow thinking of "he has paid his debt to society, delete from register" stuff. Paid his debt? I don't think a debt like that could ever be paid.

What "debt to society"? He sadistically raped several children, his debt is to his victims and whatever gods may be; beyond that his continued existence requires scrutiny wherever he goes, hence the registry. There is no repaying a debt to sweep it all away, scrutiny requires awareness.

 

[jakkufurosuto]

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Wiki vandalizing is worse than raping a little girl till she can't pee.

The Jeremy Bicha expose continues to bring retarded mouth breathers out the wood works, lovely

the idea of rape being quantifiable is interesting. how much is 3 rapes worth?

 

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the idea of rape being quantifiable is interesting. how much is 3 rapes worth?

A fraction of a Jeremy Bicha

 

[WhiteNight]

A fraction of a Jeremy Bicha

Here's a thought: We could use metric prefixes. E.g., a millibicha would be a thousandth of the scale of Jeremy Bicha's offenses. For example, a more typical sex criminal might be guilty of say 10 millibichas.

As I recall, it was claimed that Jeremy Bicha committed thousands of assaults (but that would be multiple rapes a day every day for years so I'm not sure about that). If so, we might go down to microbichas to accommodate ordinary offenders without fractions.

 

[volatile puar]

but that would be multiple rapes a day every day for years so I'm not sure about that

Five victims, he lived with three of them, and he was allowed unrestricted access.

 

[Markass the Worst]

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Wiki vandalizing is worse than raping a little girl till she can't pee.

The Jeremy Bicha expose continues to bring retarded mouth breathers out the wood works, lovely

This shit is enraging. Nobody ever used "repay their debt to society" logic when they went after people who were (accused of being) Nazis. Yet all of the sudden they use it for somebody who sadistically raped and tortured his own underage sisters?

I just don't get it. I think they really do think "Nazis" are worse than literal child rapists.

 

[HalHalliday]

This shit is enraging. Nobody ever used "repay their debt to society" logic when they went after people who were (accused of being) Nazis. Yet all of the sudden they use it for somebody who sadistically raped and tortured his own underage sisters?

I just don't get it. I think they really do think "Nazis" are worse than literal child rapists.

You're thinking too hard about it.
You are on our side - good. You are not on our side - nazi.
Simple. Effective.

Let me add this:
Within their movement, they have purity tests of varying degrees of severity. What is a greater sign of devotion then cutting your balls off and inverting your penis or sewing shut your vagina with a skin graft? Do you think they will have any qualms about defending a pedophile in their ranks after that? These people are dedicated. Are you? Even here, on the Kiwi Farms, there were people defending that child rapist just a few pages ago.

 

[nelly98]

Was about to post what's already been said 100 times in this thread just to get it out of my system.

I'll try to post a different observation instead. I think a lot of people have seen the below heatmap showing how liberals claim to love everything and anything, even fucking rocks. Obviously it's bullshit and they probably are similar to conservatives in that they love things closer to them, but want to claim some moral superiority about loving everything. I think this explains why they excuse this pedophiles behavior. They can see themselves in his shoes. "This could have been me going to jail for child sister incest molesting/raping, but I didn't have sisters growing up." This thought probably passes through their mind when they see his situation.

 

[CrunkLord420]

And on a completely separate topic: Pulseaudio (pottering ware, but has been beaten into working-ish) or Pipewire (replace everything because it's better:tm: just like gayland). I would particularly like @CrunkLord420 s take on this.

Back in the day, if you wanted software sound mixing on Linux via ALSA you needed a specific supported chipset. Often times you'd have to buy specific hardware audio card, like a Creative Audigy 2, just to play multiple sound sources simultaneously using it's built in hardware sound mixing. PulseAudio fixed this by adding an abstraction layer. On the hand, for people who had proper hardware sound mixing it was just bloat. I resisted PulseAudio as bloat for a long time. I don't think you even run Chromium with native ALSA anymore. In more modern times I ran JACK2 in combination with PulseAudio in order to meet both the needs of sound engineering and plebian software. PipeWire managed to replace both JACK and PulseAudio for me, and for that, I am happy. I still think JACK might have an edge on low latency, I'm not certain, but DAWs on Linux often straight up refuse to support PulseAudio due to latency issues.

Also, back in the day when you configured X11 it'd warn you that if you typed in the sync rate numbers your CRT would explode and send shrapnel into your face, kids today don't know shit.

 

[AmpleApricots]

I've stuck with OSS for the longest time but it was already kinda outdated when I started off. The alsa drivers are part of the kernel, everything builds on top of it, including pipewire, which I also recently switched to. Everything should work with alsa, the main problem is that modern sound devices don't do mixing in hardware anymore so everything that opens the soundcard reserves it exclusively, unless you do software based mixing via e.g. alsa's dmix and then send that off to the soundcard which for normal computer use isn't really a problem. I honestly never understood what the meltdowns about alsa.conf were. The syntax was a bit weird but I find it infinitely more understandable than pulseaudios or pipewire's mess (wasn't it all in lua for a while?!) of a configuration. I mostly switched to pipewire because of bluetooth audio. You can make bluetooth audio work with alsa only and bluealsa, but it's kind of a mess and I never got the latency under control with software mixing.

There's a patch floating around to make pipewire work perfectly with mdev (I don't trust udev, it's a little bit too systemd adjacent for me and I don't really need it) and that was my clue to switch. I think linux audio shenanigans are only dwarved by early win9x and DOS audio shenanigans. In all these years and different audio systems, pipewire is probably the only userspace one that isn't a complete mess.