Open Source Software Community - it's about ethics in Code of Conducts

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Markass the Worst said:
"Better than Discord" is a low bar. Everybody uses Discourse because other people use it, even though it's a piece of shit. I hate how it's hard to archive long Discourse threads.
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I fucking hate Discourse. A forum software straight from hell. Xenforo is how shit should be done.
 
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Battlefield42 said:
I fucking hate Discourse. A forum software straight from hell. Xenforo is how shit would be done.
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phpbb is pretty cozy
it's like xenforo but kind of crusty but it's not proprietary like xf is

phpbb doesn't have literal tons of "webapp" javascript shitware like discourse which makes it much better
 
I like smf the best from a user perspective, never hosted anything though. And I vaguely remember reading a thread where it was discovered that smf had a bunch of security holes (Oh yeah, it was actually MATI where the dear feeder, blessings be upon him, was talking about some pre-minecraft minecraft clone forum (in relation to couch cuck, and himself)). Anything proprietary and JS based is pure lunacy though.

Dante Alighieri said:
Too bad you need a license for Xenforo which they can revoke if you give them the ick.
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I wonder how kiwifarms is still online then. Or are we already on sneedforo? I don't really follow this much, and only saw xenforo on one other forum outside of KF.
 
Dante Alighieri said:
I believe it just means you stop getting official updates or support.
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Correct. Null is stuck on an older version of Xenforo and increasing piles of his own code so far as I know.

I'd personally love to write a nice scalable forum software in this day and age and volunteer my time to help, but Null says he wants to make a site entirely without Javascript and using Rust for the backend!
 
Creative Username said:
do you have your four freedoms on a tivo device? can you choose not to run tivo's software on the device? can you make modified versions of your tivo software and then run it on your device?
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The four freedoms apply to the software, not devices. That's why people were very clear in saying that Stallman rewrote the rules and Tivo did nothing wrong. Anything GPLv3 is not free software since it contains additional restrictions beyond what is strictly necessary to enforce the four freedoms.
Creative Username said:
of course not everybody supported gpl3, but most of the people who didn't are not actually free software people
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....in your opinion, which does not accord with either the four freedoms as both then and currently defined, or the Debian Free Software Guidelines, none of which define what Tivo did as being a violation thereof. In short: YOU don't believe in free software. You just want free shit. Just like Stallman.
Creative Username said:
a lot of people seem to think the two groups are more or less the same, when they really have almost nothing in common besides that thing they do where they share program sources under terms that let you use the source too
open source is basically about sharing code for efficiency, while free software is like right to repair taken to its logical conclusion in the software world
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They literally share the same definition since the Open Source Definition was created by literally taking the Debian Free Software Guidelines and filing the serial numbers off. Remember that the OSI was founded specifically to sell free software to corporations who were a bit skeptical about the "free" part.
 
Cherenkovblue said:
The four freedoms apply to the software, not devices.
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no they are rights that the user is supposed to have at all times, which the gpl is designed to protect
you can't fool me with those jewish tricks, baby child
Cherenkovblue said:
Anything GPLv3 is not free software
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actual fucking lunacy i guess debian is violating their free software definition by packaging any gplv3 software
or maybe you just have a very twisted definition of "free software" that means "barely stricter than the 3-clause bsd but no more"
Cherenkovblue said:
....in your opinion, which does not accord with either the four freedoms as both then and currently defined, or the Debian Free Software Guidelines, none of which define what Tivo did as being a violation thereof.
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they are open source people, you see
they don't explicitly protect freedom 0 (use the software however you want), just the other ones
usually freedom 0 is maintained by virtue of computers being easy to reprogram but tivo had to come and fuck that up

also the best definition of free software is "i know it when i see it". when i see tivoized shit i do not see free software at all, i just see open source jannies who do it for free
 
LOWERCASE LETTERS said:
We already have enough schizo ramblings at home.
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t. slave to niggerlicious Intel Transition Engine
Creative Username said:
i think it's better to have "libreboot with me still enabled" than "pajeetium mystery meat firmware with me still enabled" tbh
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Yeah, probably. Here's hoping they'll patch me_cleaner for a more thorough deblobbing soon. Apparently the reason for them being able to do even this much is because the random sweat shop vendor on Aliexpress hadn't put any write protection on the ME a la boot guard.
 
Creative Username said:
phpbb is pretty cozy
it's like xenforo but kind of crusty but it's not proprietary like xf is

phpbb doesn't have literal tons of "webapp" javascript shitware like discourse which makes it much better
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Based forum. It is a local tech forum here. Not super active but not dead either. I should lurk more there.
 
Overly Serious said:
I'd personally love to write a nice scalable forum software in this day and age and volunteer my time to help, but Null says he wants to make a site entirely without Javascript and using Rust for the backend!
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If you look at all of the functions a forum needs to do, you'd probably regret that decision. It's been over 10 years since I had a serious under-the-hood of either phpBB or VBulletin and it was a nightmare.
 
Angie Wormwood said:
If you look at all of the functions a forum needs to do, you'd probably regret that decision. It's been over 10 years since I had a serious under-the-hood of either phpBB or VBulletin and it was a nightmare.
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On the contrary. It's exactly the sort of complex and scalable challenge I enjoy. I'd love to make some robust, dynamically scaling forum backend and then do two things: one, write a gorgeous front-end in Vue and two, make the backend's REST API documentation available to everyone who wanted to build their own tools and front-ends. Imagine an Open Source front end for the Farms, that Null could curate and accept features to and he could still have a paired down version without Javascript if desired. Though I understand he had plans to have all the pages pre-built on the server and sent directly to the browser doing things like calculating the number of posts per page and sending out the finished page complete as pure HTML and CSS. It would be incredibly lean and quick on the client end. Could be made very quick on the backend as well as you'd have nearly every thread page cached. Reactions invalidate a cache page but the code could easily trigger a refresh of the cached page as needed and the older a page is the less often people will add new reactions. It honestly sounds pretty slick. But you could do both.

But he wants to build it in Rust I believe. Which is quite a decision!

There's also stuff that maybe I'd do that simply isn't an option in this environment. For example, my natural instinct would be to make Docker containers so that I could spin up new instances in the cloud as needed, but Null has fixed hardware at all time I believe so that makes less sense.
 
For web dev, I would think go might be a good choice. I know it's at least a common choice. It would probably be just as performant as rust. And I think the compile times are at least a little better.
 
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