Open Source Software Community - it's about ethics in Code of Conducts

XL xQgg?QcQCaTYDMjqoDnYpG said:
Car manufacturing is wasting countless resources already, and that's only going to get worse. It's going to replace horses and carriages in some areas slowly. And what we get in their place is a sterile, shitty replacement. And that will have adverse effects on the economy, and there will definitely be other negative effects on society.
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The automobile was a solution to a very real problem that was having horse shit everywhere you went. The AI scamsinvestments that are ruining today's economy are a solution to a non-existing problem. This shit will pop, we will have an economic crisis, and in the end only a handful subset of AI applications will survive. Hell, dare I say that Sam Altman's megascam is actively harming AI development as AI researches are unable to get hardware to work on shit that would actually improve humanity as a whole, like cancer research, all because a faggot kike and his gook and pajeet partners in white glove crime want to cash out of an economical bubble they've themselves have caused.
 
Slav Power said:
The automobile was a solution to a very real problem that was having horse shit everywhere you went. The AI scamsinvestments that are ruining today's economy are a solution to a non-existing problem. This shit will pop, we will have an economic crisis, and in the end only a handful subset of AI applications will survive. Hell, dare I say that Sam Altman's megascam is actively harming AI development as AI researches are unable to get hardware to work on shit that would actually improve humanity as a whole, like cancer research, all because a faggot kike and his gook and pajeet partners in white glove crime want to cash out of an economical bubble they've themselves have caused.
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I agree with most of what you say, but I disagree with the notion that disruptive technology needs to be a solution to an already-recognized problem in order to be legitimate
At least historically, that was almost never the case with major productivity shifts. To go back to my car analogy, it's not like people sat down and asked for cleaner streets, to solve the horse shit problem. Instead, the automobile production structure made old constraints irrelevant. And the same thing happened with electricity, containers, computing, and the Internet, at least as far as I know. In hindsight you can always shoehorn a "problem -> solution" narrative, but at the time it's almost always "new capability -> reorganization of economic activity"

But yeah, most capital is chasing shallow demos rather than durable standard-of-life improvements. And busts are there to correct that situation
 
Lady Ivlia de Nîmes said:
Compared to C3, I find FOSSDEM this be almost sane, especially if you stay away from the main track. It just doesn't have the outright leftist/antifa influence, that subverted the CCC years ago. I think there are also less trannies but this is subjective; perhaps some autist has the time to go through the schedules and calculate the troon%.
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Been wactching selected C3 videos and good lord it's bad this time. but then it was KGB infiltrated before it even existed as the CCC.
 
XL xQgg?QcQCaTYDMjqoDnYpG said:
Car manufacturing is wasting countless resources already, and that's only going to get worse. It's going to replace horses and carriages in some areas slowly. And what we get in their place is a sterile, shitty replacement. And that will have adverse effects on the economy, and there will definitely be other negative effects on society.
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Yeah, those replaced drivers, right?

Faggot
 
XL xQgg?QcQCaTYDMjqoDnYpG said:
it's not like people sat down and asked for cleaner streets, to solve the horse shit problem
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No, what people said was "every day I toil by toting hundreds of pounds of crap all over town or all over my property. I wish the Lord God would take this cup from me."

Then they made a car and they didn't even need to explain to you why it was a revolution. It just was. I think that's actually the hallmark of revolutionary technology - the whole point of it goes almost unsaid because everyone just instantly understands.

Compare with the mountains of bullshit used to argue that "AI" as we have come to know it in the last 4 years has any value whatsoever.
 
prollyanotherlurker said:

Lunduke wrote a chrome extension to block the wikipedia donation popup. And display display their actual financials.
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"I considered writing a firefox extension but nobody uses firefox"
The usual faggotry from this one. Here is the extension converted to userscripts which run everywhere:
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Pathetic jewgle cuck.
 
Slav Power said:
The automobile was a solution to a very real problem that was having horse shit everywhere you went.
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I thought about making an actual rebuttal to their comment for a second. But I think what I said was more appropriate. There is so much you can say about it. AI isn't just a clean, net positive. And just comparing it to the utilitarian benifit of transportation like a car just doesn't fit well.

Yes it has uses as a tool. So it does have an actual utilitarian benifit. But it also has all the same drawbacks that the analogy would suggest. And a lot more that the same analogy doesn't apply to.

Like increasing the power of government surveillance. And also because all the companies that shill the bullshit probably vibe code their shit, it's trivial to hack into these systems for non law enforcement. And even if it wasn't vibe coded, the point is, these people don't give enough of a fuck about it to actually make a secure system (should be obvious what kind of morals these people have if you are handing a government that already has way too much surveillance overreach even more, so you can get a pay check). It has lonely people, diving even deeper into isolation. Where in the past they might have at least talked to real people online, now we have people forming relationships with ai chat bots. There are so many examples like this that just have no equivalent with the analogy. And it's not like everything Ive said in the last couple posts are an exhaustive list.

I don't think it actually needs explanation though. Anyone who's remotely objective about it, can see there are as many bad things that have come, or will come from this ai boom, as their are good things, if not more. And the things it does provide aren't life changing in the same way cars were.

I don't personally see as an improvement to daily life that an automobile was. It's just an improvement for webdevs that can't manage to set up snippets for their editor to do most of the boiler plate code for them. Or advertising companies that don't want to pay an artist to make some shitty design. But ai companies are financially incentivized to sell it as the most life changing thing to ever happen to tech. At the detriment of the end users (i. e. Windows is now an agentic operating systen, ai integration is being pushed into every already bloated slow piece of shit application, while devs could instead spend their time on things people actually want to see)
 
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XL xQgg?QcQCaTYDMjqoDnYpG said:
Car manufacturing is wasting countless resources already, and that's only going to get worse. It's going to replace horses and carriages in some areas slowly. And what we get in their place is a sterile, shitty replacement. And that will have adverse effects on the economy, and there will definitely be other negative effects on society.
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Shit nigger, you'd think you'd know better than to post "new thing... le good??" in the OSS thread where half the posters are still rocking C89.
 
prollyanotherlurker said:
Like increasing the power of government surveillance. And also because all the companies that shill the bullshit probably vibe code their shit, it's trivial to hack into these systems for non law enforcement.
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Well, cars enabled mass warfare logistics, police surveillance and rapid response, environmental damage etc., and unless you're a filthy suburban commie, that doesn't invalidate cars as a capability.
prollyanotherlurker said:
I don't personally see as an improvement to daily life that an automobile was.
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Most early applications of most things are garbage, and revolutionary tech is often not obviously life-changing at first. Early computers were glorified calculators. Electricity was parlor tricks and novelty lighting, for many years.
Redeemer said:
Then they made a car and they didn't even need to explain to you why it was a revolution. It just was. I think that's actually the hallmark of revolutionary technology - the whole point of it goes almost unsaid because everyone just instantly understands.
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Nah, I think that's complete and utter hindsight bias.
Nitro! said:
Shit nigger, you'd think you'd know better than to post "new thing... le good??" in the OSS thread
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Not even necessarily, I'm merely attacking weak arguments. I am absolutely skeptical of ML hype and I've sperged more than once about how "AGI", which esp. Sam Altman is delusional for, is impossible. Plus, the overwhelming majority of so-called "AI" products are definitely not life-changing.
 
XL xQgg?QcQCaTYDMjqoDnYpG said:
Not even necessarily, I'm merely attacking weak arguments. I am absolutely skeptical of ML hype and I've sperged more than once about how "AGI", which esp. Sam Altman is delusional for, is impossible. Plus, the overwhelming majority of so-called "AI" products are definitely not life-changing.
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You likened AI to the invention of the automobile, that's life-changing. You mentioned the majority are not this way. Humor me - which LLM is? (Which one can I get to do my day job for free?)
 
In case anyone believes @XL xQgg?QcQCaTYDMjqoDnYpG to be anything but a libertarian dipshit, here he is arguing that it's fine to sell fentanyl-laced candy to children:
XL xQgg?QcQCaTYDMjqoDnYpG said:
As long as you label the candy properly and make sure that the children in question have understood what they are buying, I don't see a way to argue against this without arguing that children have no rights
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Y'all do know "AI" includes machine learning, right? There's tons of advances in machine learning coming from these "AI data centers", and not every use of AI is "@grok draw her in a bikini" or George Droyd and Charlie Kirk shitposts.
 
Dante Alighieri said:
Y'all do know "AI" includes machine learning, right? There's tons of advances in machine learning coming from these "AI data centers", and not every use of AI is "@grok draw her in a bikini" or George Droyd and Charlie Kirk shitposts.
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None of the companies who are claiming to change the world or collecting outsized market caps are doing anything real. They are all doing @grok draw her in a bikini.
 
Redeemer said:
None of the companies who are claiming to change the world or collecting outsized market caps are doing anything real. They are all doing @grok draw her in a bikini.
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I'm not saying all of the AI boom isn't that, but while there's a lot of throwing shit at walls and seeing what sticks there's still a lot of beneficial things that will come out of it. As an example Joe Rogan had cancer researcher Garry Nolan on who uses OpenAI products in his labs workflow.
 
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