Diseased Open Source Software Community - it's about ethics in Code of Conducts

[Jonny Greenwood]

The X thing is really nothing new, just another iteration of X getting ruined piece-by-piece on purpose. This has been going on for years. Meanwhile, wayland still sucessfully escapes usefulness and the only way to use wayland day to day is to run an X inside of it. Progress.

Maybe somebody should sic the rust trannies on wayland by loudly starting to wonder on reddit how C could ever be a safe language for something that important to modern linux usage. I'll bring the popcorn.

The problem with X is that nobody really has the balls to make the decision to jettison 30 year old design choices

 

[UERISIMILITUDO]

The name is misleading to normies, who read/hear "Apache Foundation" and think "feather-Indian org".

I can think of other misleading names, such as the company named Apple which repeatedly attacks other businesses named after apples, or the company named MicroSoft which can't produce small software at all, but those are big businesses, so it's okay, right? How long will it be until the name GNU is insensitive, since the Gnu live in Africa and some nigger got offended?

 

[ditto]

Apple which repeatedly attacks other businesses named after apples,

Apple Computer was being sued for years by Apple Corps, the Beatles' production company.
When the iTunes Store was introduced they were forced into a huge cash settlement.

 

[UERISIMILITUDO]

I may have been mistaken and only thinking of this, @ditto :

Apple attacks a company's pear logo because it thinks it'll confuse consumers

Apple takes legal action against Prepear's pear-shaped logo

www.laptopmag.com

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archived 17 Jan 2023 20:50:07 UTC

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This makes it clear to me it certainly wants to own the concept of using fruit as a name and logo.

 

[Pee Cola]

I may have been mistaken and only thinking of this, @ditto :

Apple attacks a company's pear logo because it thinks it'll confuse consumers

Apple takes legal action against Prepear's pear-shaped logo

www.laptopmag.com

Apple attacks a company's pear logo because it thinks it'll confuse c…

archived 17 Jan 2023 20:50:07 UTC

archive.ph

This makes it clear to me it certainly wants to own the concept of using fruit as a name and logo.

That's even dumber than the time Apple sued Australian supermarket chain Woolworths when it changed its logo to a 'W' that loosely resembles an apple.



Yep, I can really see how Australians going out to buy an iPad would accidentally come home with a loaf of bread and a carton of milk instead.

 

[Hồ Chí Minh]

I don't really know Python, but wasn't the problem with 2 something like it did divisions in a stupid way?

The big change in Python 3 was how it handled Unicode; Python was designed in the late 80s/early 90s when this wasn't really on the radar, and this was causing a lot of problems/bugs. Because Python is very dynamic it also caused a lot of incompatibilities that couldn't be easily checked.

The other changes like the division operator. print statement, and a few renames were minor things that could mostly be automated, and got tacked on "while we're doing a new major version anyway".

 

[Coolio55]

Speaking of python. Isn't it (((strange))) how they dropped mingw support because they really really needed ms's shitty new executable format?

 

[AnOminous]

Apple Computer was being sued for years by Apple Corps, the Beatles' production company.
When the iTunes Store was introduced they were forced into a huge cash settlement.

But they also finally got to sell Beatles music.

 

[The Real Slim Shady]

Hector is planning to deprecate mail-in patches for his Asahi Linux source tree: https://archive.is/LCole

He does not have a reason for doing that, he just wants to see what happens. Reminds me of Elon's tweet about unplugging the useless servers.

He also keeps buying more apple shit and bought a macbook for Asahi Lina (probably himself or byuu), which he bragged about (and so did Lina) ( I posted about that in Byuu's thread)

 

[Knight of the Rope]

He also keeps buying more apple shit and bought a macbook for Asahi Lina (probably himself or byuu), which he bragged about (and so did Lina) ( I posted about that in Byuu's thread)

The "Lina is Byuu" angle is an interesting take that I haven't seen before, but I'm 100% sure Lina is just Hector himself pretending to be a girl. I don't think Byuu is involved in any of that particular faggotry.

 

[The Real Slim Shady]

The "Lina is Byuu" angle is an interesting take that I haven't seen before, but I'm 100% sure Lina is just Hector himself pretending to be a girl. I don't think Byuu is involved in any of that particular faggotry.

I'm 50-50 between Lina being Hector's AGP fetish embodiment and being byuu. Hector does not have a thread on the farms so the Byuu thread was the closest to post it

 

[ditto]

Lina is just Hector himself pretending to be a girl

My personal theory is that Lina is Hector plus one or more (likely troon) Apple developer releasing already completed work in a structured way.

 

[UERISIMILITUDO]

I wish to draw attention once again to Drew DeVault. He stopped writing for a short while, but has resumed. Here's the article of note (archive). I've tried to reduce the amount of direct quotes I've made here.

Recently, CloudFlare pulled the plug on a certain forum devoted to the coordinated harassment of its victims.

Gee, I wonder which forum that could be.

He first mentions freedom of association, and never touches on how refusing to do business with certain races is also included in that freedom, and absent from the US for nearly a century.

An argument is often made that, when a platform reaches a given size (e.g. Facebook), or takes on certain ambitions (e.g. CloudFlare), it may become large and entrenched enough in our society that it should self-impose a role more analogous to a public utility than a private company. Under such constraints, such a platform would choose to host any content which is not explicitly illegal, and defer questions over what content is appropriate to the democratic process. There are a number of angles from which we can examine this argument.

Guess which angle he chooses.

Consider one option: regulation.

Similarly, we could regulate digital platforms to require them to provide a soapbox for all legally expressible viewpoints, then utilize the democratic process to narrow this soapbox per society’s mutually-agreed-upon views regarding matters such as neo-Nazi propaganda.

This seems like he's advocating for making certain opinions illegal, so long as it's done democratically.

He then argues that perhaps businesses shouldn't be allowed to grow so large, and mentions the invisible hand of the market. This isn't an unreasonable position, but we know the market's invisible hand certainly likes to masturbate and, say, agree on a list of innocent people to ban from the financial system.

The tools for implementing this worldview, however, introduce further contradictions when combined with the broader political profile of a typical free speech absolutist: calling for regulation isn’t very consistent with any “small government” philosophy; and those who describe themselves as Libertarian and make either of these arguments provide me with no small amount of amusement.

Bringing plutocrats to heel is perfectly possible with a small government. A small government merely has a small base of laws, and isn't necessarily some capitalist government. Libertarians are dipshits.

The democratic and judicial processes are often corrupt and inefficient. It is still the case that the tone of your skin has an outsized effect on the outcome of your court case; why shouldn’t similar patterns emerge when de-platformed racists are given their day before a judge?

We should also question if the democratic process will lead to moral outcomes. Minorities are, by definition, in the minority, and a purely democratic process will only favor their needs subject to the will of the majority. Should the rights of trans people to live free of harassment be subject to the pleasure of the cisgendered majority?

Heckin' democracy isn't good enough, apparently, because it may lead to the wrong outcomes.

I expect the people around me (given a definition of “around me” that extends to the staff at businesses I patronize) to possess a moral compass which is compatible with my own, and to act in accordance with it; in the absence of this I will express my discontent by voting with my feet.

What a fucking asshole. Damn does this remind me of something phrased well by @Rich Evans Ayypologist recently:

Everything you consume MUST be top to bottom moral, just, righteous - and if it isn't, you have to throw a hissyfit. Moral consumption allows you to say "you're supporting the good guys" just by buying a fucking video game. You harass people on the internet who break the mold, and this is how you rationalize to yourself that you are not just a neutral influence on the world, but a positive one despite the fact that all you fucking do is consume product.

Read his entire message, as this is but a short fragment thereof.

The democratic or judicial processes are an enticing and idealistic answer, but these are flawed processes that may not produce just outcomes.

Oh no, the people may not hold the correct opinions. The democratic option isn't enough until that little issue changes.

Nevertheless, the system as it exists today produces outcomes which approximate both rationality and justice, and I do not stand in opposition to the increased application of private censorship under the current system, flawed though it may be.

Oh, well it's great to know he thought about it long and hard, and decided he agreed with those in power, on principle of course. Some people would, say, love to see this stupid opinion bite him and his ilk in the ass once enough people decide that trannies should go back into mental asylums where they belong, among other things, but I suppose we'll see what happens.

He should stick to designing shitty C language knockoffs instead of voicing his mainstream political opinions.

 

[volatile]

Drew is just a hot take machine for Hacker News. His projects are all just half-assed "look ma I did it" jokes(Don't even get me started on SourceHut, it's the most fragile piece of software I've ever tried installing with zero documentation whatsoever).

Heckin' democracy isn't good enough, apparently, because it may lead to the wrong outcomes.

If you want a truly diverse society you should protect everyone, not just the crybabies. Nazism and leftist extremism are all subjective views, if you allow a specific subjective opinion to rule over others and dictate morals you get an authoritarian fascist hellhole under the banner of "freedom".

You prevent Nazism by strictly allowing free speech aka doing nothing.

 

[Three-letter Agency]

Don't even get me started on SourceHut, it's the most fragile piece of software I've ever tried installing with zero documentation whatsoever

Sourcehut sucks because it uses a definition of simplicity that completely ignores the needs of the user. You can see this in e.g. its atrocious UI, which claims to be "simple" with minimal HTML and Javascript. In practicality it just ends up being unintuitive and clunky with zero visual feedback.

That kind of reminded me of this thread on the suckless mailing list (direct link):



Basically some guy asked for comments on his port of st to OS X (and suggested that his changes might make the code readable) but instead got autistic screeching about Apple and "bloat". I think the same sort of ideology applies here as well: no discussion of software as something practical and useful, but instead as something that should fit some abstract notion of simplicity.

 

[Jarry Seinfelt]

The existence of this thread made me check whether Steve Klabnik still has that retarded tweet about being killed by Nazis as his pinned tweet. Yes, he does:

(archive)

Going on eight years, Stevie-boy, and what a surprise, nobody cares. Nobody ever cared.

I actually met him in passing a few times way back when. One of those times was at a Rust 1.0 release party that some dumb gay startup was holding. Steve tweeted about it, got dogpiled by the woke mob about how the Rust team didn't have enough PoCs and genderspecials on it, and basically went into a corner to go cry.

 

[GNU Hurder]

basically went into a corner to go cry.

Not surprising. His about message on his Lobsters profile, the most milquetoast link agg site filled with schizos, furries and trannies (and that's just Tailscale's cadey) is "I don’t use this site anymore; the userbase drove me away. Sorry.". What a faggot.

 

[Catler]

Hector doesn't like "the orange site" very much.

I'm tired of the orange website. · AsahiLinux/AsahiLinux.github.io@a720f6c

Signed-off-by: Hector Martin <marcan@marcan.st>

github.com

I'm tired of the orange website. · AsahiLinux/AsahiLinux.github.io@a7…

archived 24 Mar 2023 17:28:37 UTC

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[Markass the Worst]

Hector doesn't like "the orange site" very much.

I'm tired of the orange website. · AsahiLinux/AsahiLinux.github.io@a720f6c

Signed-off-by: Hector Martin <marcan@marcan.st>

github.com

I'm tired of the orange website. · AsahiLinux/AsahiLinux.github.io@a7…

archived 24 Mar 2023 17:28:37 UTC

archive.is

Marcan joins the line of petty retards who redirect links from Hackernews like JWZ.
Although... Hey Marcan, if you don't like the orange site so much, why not join us in laughing at them in the PG thread?

 

[Desu Mountain]

Orange ManSite Bad