Diseased Open Source Software Community - it's about ethics in Code of Conducts

[Computer Guardian]

Artix doesn't appear to be that way from what I've seen. Hell, iirc some troons got banned from the forums for being insufferable internet gypsies lmao

there's this confidence inforcing response to a tranny that tried to go nuclear from one of the devs a few years ago after they wiped something nasty from a post

 

[volatile puar]

there's this confidence inforcing response to a tranny that tried to go nuclear from one of the devs a few years ago after they wiped something nasty from a post
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Did this retard start talking about his "girlcock" or something? How did he know it was a troon?

 

[Rekeita's Kidneys]

there's this confidence inforcing response to a tranny that tried to go nuclear from one of the devs a few years ago after they wiped something nasty from a post
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"You will never be a woman. Locking this absurd thread."

Total Janny Victory lmfao

Legit, that is all that needs to be done to deal with this infestation of subhuman cockroaches. Do not engage, do not give them any legroom to manipulate, connive, lie and spread filth.

Fucking FOSS community needs to find the Final Solution to the Troon Question lul

 

[Computer Guardian]

Did this retard start talking about his "girlcock" or something? How did he know it was a troon?

If the OP of the posted thread was anything to go by with the mention of "Nicki Minaj nudes", it was probably some form of nude pic that was part of the image sent that got wiped (given there's no archives from when it was up) and in that thread, was trying to assert his gender identity while treating the removal of the pic as Russian/CCP censorship, as for how he knew, it seems like it was an assumtion that it was a guy but tried to humor the tranny until he ran his mouth about it, where he just went right back to calling him a male

 

[teriyakiburns]

Typically, people have reason and intent behind their actions when people do things. If someone decides they want to rip all GNU software out of their system, it's never because "GNU software is poorly made", because GNU software works well, and it's usually because "GNU is insufficiently pro-trans".

I disagree. Alpine dumped GNU for busybox and musl, and adopted OpenRC because they wanted to minimise the memory footprint of their distro. I will concede that Chimera, which is downstream of Alpine (but claims not to be, for some retarded reason) is likely only exists for some bizarre ideological purpose, but the mere fact that a distro uses a different userspace is not, in itself, a red flag.

Autistic nerd to troon pipeline is real.

This is the reality. Red Hat, the most mainstream of mainstream corporate-controlled distros, is infested with troons. It's likely the ground zero of open source troonery. Microsoft is also infested with troons for similar reasons, as is google, and every other major tech player in the market. Tech troonery is caused by social isolation, a profound belief that everything can be "hacked" like software, and constant interaction with a like-minded online bubble in a joint fantasy land where reality need not intrude.

 

[Pluciferous]

I disagree. Alpine dumped GNU for busybox and musl, and adopted OpenRC because they wanted to minimise the memory footprint of their distro. I will concede that Chimera, which is downstream of Alpine (but claims not to be, for some retarded reason) is likely only exists for some bizarre ideological purpose, but the mere fact that a distro uses a different userspace is not, in itself, a red flag.

musl is written by a huge trans ally and an anti-ICE super-leftist. I consider it a red flag.

 

[306h4Ge5eJUJ]

musl is written by a huge trans ally and an anti-ICE super-leftist. I consider it a red flag.

Surprisingly, Rich Felker is a rare case where a guy with extremely retarded political takes has very sane technical takes.

 

[Pluciferous]

Surprisingly, Rich Felker is a rare case where a guy with extremely retarded political takes has very sane technical takes.

He does the same thing with the POSIX standard as Hector does with X11: if he doesn’t want to implement something out of laziness, he concocts a goofy story about how the standard is wrong and you’re wrong for wanting him to make it work correctly.

 

[CrunkLord420]

I have done an unusual level of benchmarking of math functions between glibc and musl. musl is across the board slower, in particular it's malloc function. There's also compatibility issues.

I say this because cargo cultists walk around saying musl is "less bloated" than glibc while ignoring it's objectively slower. It has a smaller codebase, maybe a marginally smaller memory footprint. It's easier to excise specific functions for embedded codebases, whereas glibc is genuinely a rats nest of macros spread across a million files. That's the benefit.

I would never consider running Alpine for pretty much anything simply because I don't want to run musl. The memory difference is within the margin of error when compared to a stripped down Debian installation. Rich Felker is definitely a lamer.

 

[TomBroadway1987]

I have done an unusual level of benchmarking of math functions between glibc and musl. musl is across the board slower, in particular it's malloc function. There's also compatibility issues.

Unlike GLIBC, MUSL is statically linked. GLIBC actively does not want you to statically link it, and from my understanding it falls over and gets pissed if you do. Static linking is the primary niche that MUSL fills. Its performance is slightly worse, it has random issues with its DNS resolver and other shit i cannot remember. However i know that if i compile my program with MUSL, it will just work on anything that runs linux. Sure people have "solved" this problem by just shipping a copy of every single library they depend on in a container, but that is just static linking with extra steps.

 

[HootersMcBoobies]

I disagree. Alpine dumped GNU for busybox and musl, and adopted OpenRC

There's talk of Alpine going systemd. It didn't compile/work with musl for a long while. That's changed recently and PostmarketOS (which I think is downstream) has a systemd option now.

musl is written by a huge trans ally and an anti-ICE super-leftist. I consider it a red flag.

I just through it was a read flag that half the desktop Linux shit on it crashed constantly and it had massive compatibility issues with glibc that you didn't even find with FreeBSD's libc.

it has random issues with its DNS resolver

I think the issue is with glibc, the second DNS server in resolv.conf is only used if the first one fails. But with musl it used them round-robin, but didn't fall back to the first one if the second one failed? It's been a while but it was something stupid like that.

 

[306h4Ge5eJUJ]

He does the same thing with the POSIX standard as Hector does with X11: if he doesn’t want to implement something out of laziness, he concocts a goofy story about how the standard is wrong and you’re wrong for wanting him to make it work correctly.

Musl is a stickler about standards so I'd be really interested in an example of this.

I say this because cargo cultists walk around saying musl is "less bloated" than glibc while ignoring it's objectively slower. It has a smaller codebase, maybe a marginally smaller memory footprint. It's easier to excise specific functions for embedded codebases, whereas glibc is genuinely a rats nest of macros spread across a million files. That's the benefit.

Is it common to use "bloat" to talk about performance? I've only seen people use it to refer to overengineering or excessive dependencies and options and so on, where musl definitely beats glibc.

I just through it was a read flag that half the desktop Linux shit on it crashed constantly and it had massive compatibility issues with glibc that you didn't even find with FreeBSD's libc.

A lot of C software is written under stupid and wrong assumptions, which is why late 10s era musl systems had to deal with a lot of misbehaving software. This has improved to the point where it hasn't really been a thing in years though. The difference to FreeBSD comes from the fact that a lot of people write #ifdef __LINUX__ when they really mean #ifdef __GLIBC__; on FreeBSD, they just write #ifdef __FreeBSD__ and it works because there aren't multiple libcs.

 

[CrunkLord420]

Is it common to use "bloat" to talk about performance?

Bloat can cause performance issues. Namely I think about the hundreds of millions of computers running 8GB of RAM. Totally bottlenecked by their swapfile. In this situation memory is the constrain, beaten to death by towers of javascript dependencies (bloat). For a C library implementation the raw performance metrics are far more important than how many megabytes it occupies in memory.

 

[Cherenkovblue]

Fucking FOSS community needs to find the Final Solution to the Troon Question lul

That's easy: Mandatory use of an installer that asks the user, "Are you are Man or a Woman?" with no third option, and any attempt to submit a PR to add a third option ends up CLOSED / WONTFIX (Working As Designed).

 

[Pippa is a spic whore]

Weird how opensaars fags seem absolutely ok with their front door lock having security via obscurity.

 

[Rekeita's Kidneys]

That's easy: Mandatory use of an installer that asks the user, "Are you are Man or a Woman?" with no third option, and any attempt to submit a PR to add a third option ends up CLOSED / WONTFIX (Working As Designed).

That or just have competent programmers/engineers like the men at Bell Labs who originally made UNIX.

There really needs to be a filter or some bullshit. I'm a proponent of the +NIGGER license if anything, shitty thing is that filters out actually good corporate interest.

FOSS is a fucking mess

 

[Cherenkovblue]

There really needs to be a filter or some bullshit. I'm a proponent of the +NIGGER license if anything, shitty thing is that filters out actually good corporate interest.

That's easy: Mandatory use of an installer that asks the user, "Are you are Man or a Woman?" with no third option, and any attempt to submit a PR to add a third option ends up CLOSED / WONTFIX (Working As Designed).

....por que no los dos?

Quick, someone draw up the paperwork for a 501(c)(3). We'll call it... the Fascist Software Foundation.

 

[AmpleApricots]

musl being slower than glibc tracks with my completely subjective, unscientific experience. If I actually had to put a quantifier to it, I'd even say it's quite noticably slower. Also every musl system I ever ran had bizarre and pretty specific DNS issues I could never quite resolve (ha.).

I used Alpine on a weaker desktop system. Worked fine. Stuck to busybox init, mdev etc. even. That's how I had my gentoo and Alpine was the only distro I found that was very tolerant to individual setups. Alpine doesn't really tell you how to do stuff and doesn't trap you in dependency hell with shitware. You want to not have any init except what's included in the busybox binary and want to remove alpine's package manager? Fine. It's your system. Alpine's apk doesn't care. My big problem with Alpine was that adding/patching packages was a pain in the ass. When you come from gentoo, nothing manages to live up to it in that regard and that's also why I went back. Otherwise I'd even put it above gentoo in the stability and low-fat dependency department. Gentoo is not all that lightweight there and needs some touches here and there to be. For example, the default runit setup involves openrc and is beyond useless.

An objective, critical view on the GNU userland could be that it's projects tend to be bloated and have tons of edge cases that simply aren't all that relevant anymore. Look into the manpage of any simple GNU program and be amazed at the plethora of flags and parameters that are often for very, very specific things. GNU stuff tends to have the everything-and-the-kitchen-sink approach, and some things struggle with code readability and maintainability as a result. There's also the attempted cancellation of Stallman who was unpersoned by the programmer socks cult. I'm not really sure what the motives there were, as Stallman largely aligns politically. But with these people, you just never know.

Alternatives to commonly used programs/libs/whatever is never a bad thing though and you should always be happy they exist, even if you don't use them. It's the only thing protecting you from corporate encroachment and the resulting enshittification. When you encounter people that start malding just because a different software/way dares to exist (the systemd cult is famous for this) that should always make you suspicious and not trust these people.

 

[Lard Shart]

That or just have competent programmers/engineers like the men at Bell Labs who originally made UNIX.

There really needs to be a filter or some bullshit. I'm a proponent of the +NIGGER license if anything, shitty thing is that filters out actually good corporate interest.

FOSS is a fucking mess

The difference between the Bell Labs software and contemporary FOSS is that the layer on which the software was built back in the day was way more clear. If you want to make some piece of FOSS software there's a big chance that it runs/depends on a steaming pile of shit. And if you were to ditch all that and DIY, you'd need to have Terry Davis' amount of time and dedication.
Not to mention all the infighting that ensues when there are other FOSS devs on board, especially if they're queers. You would a good gatekeeping policy. Ideally a FOSS project has a closed off strictly invite-based organization, funded by an entity such as a government or generous company, similar to Bell Labs.

....por que no los dos?

Quick, someone draw up the paperwork for a 501(c)(3). We'll call it... the Fascist Software Foundation.

Already exists it's called suckless.org e.V.
Also, a lolcow on this site started something similar a while ago but it never got far (https://www.reactionary.software/).
Anyways if you actually want to do it, I'm in.

 

[Samuel Fuller]

I know it's a Brodie Robertson video, but I find his reporting to be high quality when there's no party line to tow.

tl;dw Fedora is considering cratering their install base (also Bazzite might be forced to shut down entirely) because "We cannot allow proprietary software that we cannot fix to hold back Fedora development."
Of course, it's not a good thing that Linux needs to bow to the laziness of Valve, who doesn't have any excuse to still have 32-bit dependencies, but it's not exactly any worse than already bowing to the whims of the outright malicious Red Hat, or any number of trannies in CoC committees or development roles.

Valve is as lazy as can be. Remember Gabe the Hutt throwing tantrums over multi-threading back in the day?

>2 additional frames of delay at 60hz
I just experienced screen tear for the first time recently (in games at 60fps), as someone who is not a gamer, and I don't understand how this bothers people, especially if you aren't playing a video game. "Oh no, my Youtube webpage rendered incorrectly for 16ms while I was scrolling through the comments, this is terrible"

Screen tearing can trigger migraines in some sufferers, and I can tell you that that sucks tremendously.