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The Big Bad D said:
Still won't use Zed though because of its godawful text rendering.
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I don't understand why test editors need to render at 120fps. It's a fucking text editor, not a car racing sim. It also doesn't have one of the most basic features: vertical tabs. I'd be tempted to see if I could finish off that PR and make it usable, but I'm not sure if I want to contribute to an editor that downloads random node and binary packages.

Max Weber said:
On one hand, I don't like how Zed devs went all-in on shoving AI shit throughout it, or the fact that a FOSS editor only exists and develops because of VC funding; on the other, I love that the very same VC causes this much seethe from CoC crowd.
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It's the whole nix/defense contractor thing; and I bet most of those faggots buy tons of China crap of Temu. Half of what you buy in a Target or Walmart (or hell even a grocery store) is going to support some fucked up shit from some fucked up companies. These people literally can't live ethically in their real lives and are going to bitch and cunt about this because some project got funding that can keep lead developers working on it instead of having to be full time devs at some .NET shop cracking out finance software.
 
The Big Bad D said:
Still won't use Zed though because of its godawful text rendering.
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Care to elaborate? I've never heard of Zed before, and it looks like your average code editor slop, but the text rendering itself looks fine from what I've seen so far.

I don't think I'm gonna switch from Neovim, though. I like it when the editor is in the terminal, not vice versa.
 
Cuckoman said:
Sounds like an editor for homosexuals and other degenerates.
Real programmers already have several fully functioning open source editors, the king of which is EMACS.
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EMACS is the king of homosexual editors. A text editor should just be a text editor, not a turing-complete development environment masquerading as a text editor.

Real men use Wordstar.
 
reactionary said:
Care to elaborate? I've never heard of Zed before, and it looks like your average code editor slop, but the text rendering itself looks fine from what I've seen so far.
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I used Zed a while back, well before any integration of AI features. I stopped using it when they started automatically downloading code bundles I didn’t ask for to support code completion for various languages.

In its defense, Zed is very fast, and looks great by default without messing with fonts. I am watching the zedless project with interest, since they’re taking the zed code and removing everything to do with AI.
 
Guess I'll post this here, the once in a while good thread popped up on /g/. Worth a chuckle or two.
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Betonhaus said:
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That is really disappointing.
The value proposition of stable is that it is carefully curated by experienced kernel developers. That is why you are supposed to trust it. The implicit promise that it is "better than upstream" is because of this careful curation.

If you shift this work to be AI instead of carefully curated then what is the whole point of stable at that point? The trust is gone. And this incident proves it.

Sure, curating and backporting is super boring work. Sometimes the most important work is boring. I often work on very very boring shit, not because I want to but because it is important that it gets done.
 
Creative Username said:
pardon my double post but @CrunkLord420 hosts his templeos shit (+NIGGER license modifier and all) on neocities, and they haven't banned him
this leads me to believe that the administration at least doesn't actively go around and look for wrongthinkers to ban
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I will point out that I used to host the +NIGGER license page on neocities until they removed it and banned the account without a single word. IIRC I appealed it but never heard back.
 
The Big Bad D said:
Still won't use Zed though because of its godawful text rendering.
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it's written in rust so they probably have some kind of Superior Rust Version™ of freetype2 that doesn't have subpixel rendering or something because the retard responsible thinks "wow chud it's 2025 we all use 6 million dpi retina displays who would need this" [closed: won't fix]
Max Weber said:
Looks fine to me, but I have a HiDPI monitor and Zed was initially MacOS only, so I wouldn't be surprised if they only optimized for high pixel density.
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i wrote the above text before scrolling down and seeing this
Cuckoman said:
Sounds like an editor for homosexuals and other degenerates.
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it's written in rust so yes
Cuckoman said:
Without even looking at this project I wonder what the usecase is.
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it's written in rust so it's le good
Cuckoman said:
There is not exactly a shortage of different options when it comes to editors.
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it's written in rust so it's better than other editors which may be written in bad languages like c or lisp (didn't you know that linked lists are SLOW? you shouldn't ever use them!)
Cuckoman said:
vi had the huge advantage that is was available and installed on pretty much every system under the sun. emacs not so much.
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this is why emacs comes with the helpful ability to edit files on other computers so you can avoid vim at all costs

HootersMcBoobies said:
I don't understand why test editors need to render at 120fps. It's a fucking text editor, not a car racing sim.
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it's written in heccing rust so it has to be fast because fast le good
HootersMcBoobies said:
I'm not sure if I want to contribute to an editor that downloads random node and binary packages.
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but it doesn't have to use and encourage and promote sane build procedures because that impedes developer velocity or something
HootersMcBoobies said:
These people literally can't live ethically in their real lives and are going to bitch and cunt about this because some project got funding that can keep lead developers working on it instead of having to be full time devs at some .NET shop cracking out finance software.
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they need to be, for fuck's sake
actually no they would fuck that up too and lose people a shitload of money
better idea: make it illegal for these people to own and use computers, even phones
Pluciferous said:
I stopped using it when they started automatically downloading code bundles I didn’t ask for to support code completion for various languages.
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this is unbelievably fucking retarded can we shoot these retards who think it's a good idea to automatically connect shit to the internet without asking for no reason

CrunkLord420 said:
I will point out that I used to host the +NIGGER license page on neocities until they removed it and banned the account without a single word. IIRC I appealed it but never heard back.
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that's disappointing, i guess they banned it because it's just a page with some nigger words, and they haven't banned the chud games because it has a bunch of other shit too
i wouldn't be terribly surprised if they banned the games page though, but there is a chance they won't be taking it down soon
 
reactionary said:
What, and I cannot stress this enough, the fuck? I can understand there being an AI-generated patch, I can maybe understand it being merged into the kernel, but it being backported to fucking LTS without anyone noticing? Please, get me out of this timeline. I don't want to deal with this anymore.
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Yes.
There was an incident about a year ago where stable backported a series of commits to vfs but forgot one commit and this briefly caused fs corruption.
Unfortunate but these things happen. And you can learn and try to be better to not make the same mistake twice. Unfortunate but understandable. It happens.

But, taking AI slop and applying it to LTS without even checking at all is a whole other level.
That is no longer a mistake but active negligence.
Unfortunately I see no other solution than to stop using AI altogether for this kind of work. Sure, AI is an attractive option. It saves SO much time on very boring work, and it works 99% of the time. But 99% is not good enough for a stable kernel.
 
Cuckoman said:
But, taking AI slop and applying it to LTS without even checking at all is a whole other level.
That is no longer a mistake but active negligence.
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if i were linus right now i would be replacing maintainers faster than patrick tomlinson replaces his pepperoni supply
Cuckoman said:
It saves SO much time on very boring work, and it works 99% of the time.
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from what i've heard, llms seem to quickly tend to 5% when it comes to writing stuff that:
  • requires careful thought about how the computational process evolves over time
  • has to handle a large number of potential errors safely
  • could be hit with invalid input
    • could be hit with malicious input
      • could be hit with input that triggers the o(n!) worst case computational complexity, preventing the program from doing anything useful for a few thousand years
  • doesn't have some subtle logical error
  • needs to be as close to perfect as possible or it will not only shoot your foot off, but shoot off the feet of everybody in the same building you're in
the linux kernel is all of these, but most interesting and useful pieces of software require at least 2 or 3 of these in their most critical infrastructure. it's easy to make an llm shit out a react todo app, but where are the multiple fully-vibe-coded xenforo replacements that random kf users have independently proompted in a clever ploy to obtain a kf sticker from josh
The Mass Shooter Ron Soye said:
https://www.phoronix.com/forums/for...or-enabling-usb3-support-on-apple-m1-m2/page2 (archive)
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the biggest issue for many rust/wayland/clang/systemd haters is that these are all newer solutions that aim to replace something deeply ingrained in the system, and they would be pretty great if it weren't for their obnoxious ecosystem problems (i would probably consider using rust a lot more if i could use it (and most of its libraries) without ever having to touch cargo, because i prefer mildly-curated central system package repositories) and their fans' refusal to discredit the well-proven alternatives and downplay any situations where these alternatives are actually way better
nobody sane actually cares about whether troons develop any given package, as long as they release it under non-proprietary terms and refrain from adding malware
 
Creative Username said:
nobody sane actually cares about whether troons develop any given package, as long as they release it under non-proprietary terms and refrain from adding malware
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...is what I would say if their volatile mental state didn't cause their projects to become progressively shittier as time goes on; see Francis Rowe's 2 month deranged graphomania spree, Hector Martin & Asahi Linux, Void dev ousting, the list goes on and on. This is why I only use TRVE CHVD software a la Artix/Guix/OpenBSD.
 
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Creative Username said:
(i would probably consider using rust a lot more if i could use it (and most of its libraries) without ever having to touch cargo, because i prefer mildly-curated central system package repositories)
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I would consider rust if not the rust ecosystem (and the userbase). My biggest issue is that rust is a language where if you want to do X, you do X the one and only party-approved way. Thats why the simplest hello world app needs a fucking package, manifest, and whatever else gay shit cargo needs, meanwhile a C++ project can be built with "g++ *.c" as long as I wish to do so. Or until I decide to move the files into directories, or write a Makefile like a cultured person, or use CMake or whatever the cool kids use these days. But all that is up to me. In Rust you are forced to use the one and only approved build system, syntax, naming convention and whetever else I dont know because I just saw cargo and thought that I dont need a language with a heavier build system than Java (the above discussion about "g++ *.c" also applies to javac).

Correct me if I am wrong. Maybe if llvm or gcc adds rust support I will try it.

And then I saw cargo-mommy for the frist time and I think I had to take a walk.
 
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Ferryman said:
...is what I would say if their volatile mental state didn't cause their projects to become progressively shittier as time goes on; see Francis Rowe's 2 month deranged graphomania spree, Hector Martin & Asahi Linux, Void dev ousting, the list goes on and on. This is why I only use TRVE CHVD software a Artix/Guix/OpenBSD.
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The problem with trannies and other terminally online faggot identities is how interconnected they are. Pushback against the HRT consensus as an employee or a member of some collective online project means you are out of the club. No more opportunities to get cushy, do-little bullshit jobs through grift networking that's second only to Pajeets. No more cut of the pie when receiving NGO money on faggified FOSS projects. You also get even more socially isolated, as someone who already fell into an autistic pit of degeneracy that separates yourself from normal people. At least the chuds are semi-normal and only want you to use $niche_language or do things a certain specific way on a certain system, not rope you into some kind of eunuch mafia.
 
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