this was a fun read.
why does a package manager have a discord and an official forum, why does it have all these democratic elections and other pointless shit that only serves to hinder the project?
i must have missed the patchnotes where suddenly everyone believes their opinion is worth posting, let alone reading. the best thing half these projects could do would be to nuke any of these "community" outlets but i guess then we'd have nothing to laugh at.
tl;dr they get what they deserve for inviting this shit in the first place.
this was a fun read.
why does a package manager have a discord and an official forum, why does it have all these democratic elections and other pointless shit that only serves to hinder the project?
i must have missed the patchnotes where suddenly everyone believes their opinion is worth posting, let alone reading. the best thing half these projects could do would be to nuke any of these "community" outlets but i guess then we'd have nothing to laugh at.
tl;dr they get what they deserve for inviting this shit in the first place.
It's a lot more than a package manager. It is a package manager, but there is also nixos. And the nix language. Along with home-manager, flakes, and all the other things that go along with it. Arguably there is more there than a normal distribution. Certainly it's a lot more complex, which in my opinion is also to it's detriment in a lot of ways.
"punshing" nigger seriously use that llm to proofread your shit (or this funny software called "hunspell")
is this confirmed to be his youtube account though? youtube comment sections are quite prone to have people doing a little trolling in them
in case this is real, i hope his llm cites a case that doesn't exist, he doesn't catch it, and he ends up disbarred
is this confirmed to be his youtube account though? youtube comment sections are quite prone to have people doing a little trolling in them
in case this is real, i hope his llm cites a case that doesn't exist, he doesn't catch it, and he ends up disbarred
although it's either a good troll or the actual guy because he is one of those dyed-in-the-wool altman koolaid drinkers who think the "age of ai" is here and "these smug developers are just being mean to me because they just know they'll be replaced with clever proompting in 2 more weeks!"
I somehow just stumbled onto this now. In case people didn't see this, and post this here when it came out. Here you go. Seems relevant enough with the recent events.
Actually. If this hasn't already specifically been shared and talked about here. Tomorrow I might do a summary/write-up of everything he goes over in this.
is this confirmed to be his youtube account though? youtube comment sections are quite prone to have people doing a little trolling in them
in case this is real, i hope his llm cites a case that doesn't exist, he doesn't catch it, and he ends up disbarred
There is no definite way to prove it unless he mentions this account somewhere else. But if this is a troll then they are doing a good job with knowing their background. The account is also old (2005), but afaik those can be renamed so the account could be repurposed.
Simultaneously, and to my great relief, a significant portion of the community rose to my defense. These voices saw the situation not as an imposition, but as a missed opportunity. They characterized me as a "passionate user," not a malicious actor, and praised my transparency about my lack of programming knowledge. To them, the harsh pushback was emblematic of a broader cultural problem in the open source community: an insular and often intimidating environment that erects high barriers to entry for newcomers. "How else," they asked, "is a non-programmer with a valid, data-backed discovery supposed to contribute?" They argued that a project's health depends on its ability to cultivate a wide funnel of contributors, including testers, bug reporters, and, yes, even users who can identify problems without necessarily being able to code the solution. They saw my RFC as a pioneering, if imperfect, first step into a new frontier of AI-assisted collaboration, and they lamented that the response was not to help build a bridge, but to fortify the walls of the citadel.
EASY. You submit good bug reports that document the issues you're finding with definitive steps to reproduce and measured effects.
This is nothing new. The better and more detailed your bug report is, the better of a time the development team has to prioritizing the work and finding and fixing the issue.
There is no definite way to prove it unless he mentions this account somewhere else. But if this is a troll then they are doing a good job with knowing their background. The account is also old (2005), but afaik those can be renamed so the account could be repurposed.
jesus christ this guy is so fucking delusional he acts like he's some sort of messenger from the gods granting the gift of fire to ungrateful and backwards cavemen
also i did not see many llm simps in those gitlab issues so he's also completely making shit up with no basis in reality... wait... now i have figured out why he thinks llms are so smart
and i hate his shit writing style, and how he adds stupid pointless embellishments and completely unimaginative metaphors like a fucking 8th grader trying to hit the word count on that paper that they have due tomorrow
I started on the summary of that. I'm not sure I will be getting it done tonight. Besides the video being long. I'm cutting out relevant clips, I made an account on gtiea, to make my own backup of his github document for the timeline.
I also want to do a bit of research into one of the people he mentioned in his video. Because I feel like they got glossed over a bit. And I think they actually are one of the bigger roles in the political bullshit happening in FOSS.
I think that's a topic that deserves to be covered. So I'll get as much as I can get done tonight, but I have a feeling at the very least clipping out all the bits of that, are going to take a little bit of time.
edit: actually. I'm about half way though. everything and I'm at the part where it's getting into them turning on the leader. there is a lot here already. I might go ahead and edit this part, try to get the formatting decent. upload that, because there are already a lot of screenshots links and videos. then do the rest in a second part. because I have a feeling that will have a lot also.
Here is the first half of this write-up. I've edited out some of the more relevant parts, I backup up his timeline on a gitea account I made for this.
I might also use that for other things I want to share on the forum in the future.
The main reason I wanted to do a summary of this myself. Is because for one the video is so long, and there is so much he covered in it. I think it would be a lot more beneficial for someone from the outside to go through, and highlight the most interesting information. Also this guy from what I can tell, and you will likely see is a good natured, nerdy autist. He tends to under-emphasize things. He gets caught up on his words. Sometimes seems to not want to say certain things. I don't know if it's out of fear. Or if he just want's to be nice.
His name is Jon Ringer. He explains he was a programmer in the US air-force who joined Microsoft after getting out. That eventually led to his involvement in the nix project. He goes on to have quite a few commits (in the thousands) eventually becoming a Release Manager for Nix. He is a soft spoken guy. He very clearly (to me at least), is an autist. He seems to be the type of guy that just wants to code, and tried his best to get people to work together. His involvement in the air-force, likely did have some influence on his resistance to go along with the crazy bullshit that follows. He just seemed to want the best for the project overall though. He naively even wanted a CoC. But he wanted it enforced impartially and not something used to enforced political ideals from a vocal minority. He quickly notices issues from the clearly biased use of the Code of Conduct, and actions of the moderation team.
From this point on I will move to a bullet point timeline to keep things a bit more concise. I just wanted to give a bit of a primer first.
Someone else that works on nixpkgs gets in trouble over "ban evasion"
No one else is even willing to talk to them, and tell them what they did wrong
another incident happens over a very mild incident where that same person tells someone they can't use the name "v"
it gets blown up into being called "harassment" because the Sandro guys tells them no (a pretty reasonable stance)
the moderation team/community team is formed
they include "enforcing social norms", and "Do no allow the nix community to be a place for spreading ideas rooted in fascism or bigotry"
Jon takes issue with the because of the vague nature of those guidelines. Out of fear they will be abused.
He mentions something I think is important there. He tends to understate a lot of things in this video. I think Irene Knapp should have a bit more time devoted to him. This person has the stated goal of "promoting activism in the open source community". He seems to be where all of this bullshit originated from. At least in nix but I would make a guess, that he has had a similar role in a lot more of the open source world.
When I started writing this I had no idea he was a tranny. I'm not shocked to find out, but I had only heard the name so I wasn't sure. I hadn't yet seen his face. After seeing him. I think Jon is right for bringing them up. I think it's pretty safe to say this person, with their stated goal. Is very likely one of the key players, that has brought us the current hell that is the state of FOSS right now.
I'll stop here with the Irene Knapp stuff. I do urge anyone that is good at this kind of thing that feels so motivated to maybe do a bit of digging of their own. And see if you can find anything interesting.
their mastodon didn't load for me. might have been my vpn or because I don't have a mastodon account.
he brings up that he doesn't have an issues with the idea of a CoC, but rather the way they are used in actual practice.
moderation is transferred from solely graham christianson to the moderation team
A bit on Eelco Dolstra, since he hasn't been mentioned in this yet. He is the person that started nix. He very much seemed to just care about the technology from what I can tell. Rather than caring about all of the politics, and interpersonal drama. It's really one of the saddest things about this story. That the fucking trannies basically force this guy out from his own project. That he made for his thesis, and grew into what it became. This was his brainchild. And trannies, that wanted to force EVERYONE else to pretend like their feelings matter more than life itself forced him out.
at this point they have an issue with a program called nuclear. the creator said tranny. Some of the nix trannies wanted to completely remove it from nixpkgs because of that with the usual arguments of "safety". They rightfully don't get their way because "software is software".
the narrative that "we can't support nix if they support bigots" emerges
Nix gets a sponsorship from a company called Anduril and flakehub is introduced.
Because Anduril is a defense company that itself creates a lot of political drama
an Indian guy ends up declining to answer their gender on the nix survey. That caused people to look into him.
they end up finding his blog, that has references to Jordan Peterson.
the trannies say this is causing harm to them, it's dangerous he needs to be removed.
they make demand for him to remove things from his personal site. He gets banned even after he complied with some of the demands.
After they decided they wanted him gone, the woke mob didn't relent over a few months until they finally got what they wanted.
they introduce a coc based on Contributor Covenant
people start giving in to DEI demands, or resigning because of burn out.
already obvious biased moderation
more trannies angry about the Anduril sponsorship this time sponsoring nixcon
This is the point where the drama actually starts to escalate.
a guy named Janik-Haag ads himself as a foundation board observer
Jon states at this point the board is 5 nix first people, and 2 activist first members.
Jon objects to the idea of having seats decided only by what minority group the person is in.
this paints a target on his back.
he didn't like that.
people are starting to call our dear protagonist a fascist, and don't want him to be a release manager
this was used to directly attack Edolstra the founder.
There is obviously a lot here. Tomorrow I will work on the timeline from the point where they start attacking the founder on. And hopefully get that uploaded by tomorrow night sometime.
Hey lads sorry to request post - I try to contribute and not be a faggot - but whatever happened to threads joining the fediverse? Did that materialise?
Hey lads sorry to request post - I try to contribute and not be a faggot - but whatever happened to threads joining the fediverse? Did that materialise?
It did but Threads users still have to opt-in to be visible from the rest of fedi. Mastodon cliques made a big fuzz of preemptively blocking it, but that haven't done anything to stop it. That said, Threads itself has a sizeable blocklist for instances with hatespeech, no privacy policy or doing fun stuff like rejecting remote deletes.
It did but Threads users still have to opt-in to be visible from the rest of fedi. Mastodon cliques made a big fuzz of preemptively blocking it, but that haven't done anything to stop it. That said, Threads itself has a sizeable blocklist for instances with hatespeech, no privacy policy or doing fun stuff like rejecting remote deletes.
This reads much better if you follow along with Kent's posts from the LKML & Hacker News.
As usual, he takes absolutely zero blame and claims to have little insight why things have played out this way.
As a Linux user, I am glad this black hole of effort and drama is finally away from the core kernel team. Kent can run his retarded little kingdom as he pleases now and the rest of the kernel team with functional procedures can continue working together.
It takes a special kind of asshole to actually have some raw talent, but lack enough insight and perspective on his own behavior. It's like if a 4 year old was able to write filesystems. He is a sad little man, and I'm sure this scorches him to his soul that he's been exiled.
People like him are one of the reasons not to join or create a club. 99% of people are fine and great, but you have assholes like this fucker that not only creates negative value with buggy code and procedures, but also takes other people off task. Kent was single-handedly holding back everyone else around him.
