Open Source Software Community - it's about ethics in Code of Conducts

Kola said:
He was effective in a brief window of time decades ago.
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apparently my gnu system that i am typing this on stopped existing decades ago. guess i have to go install windows 11 since my operating system magically vanished
Kola said:
Now the most widely used software platforms are locked up to a level where you're not even allowed to install what you want, with further restrictions in sight. GPL is widely disregarded or circumvented.
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yes, which is why we need to continue stallman's work (instead of being little whiny doomer bitches about it)
Kola said:
It's no longer the first choice of most open source (or free software if you're that kind of autist) programmers.
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gcc:
glibc:
fribidi:
gnu coreutils:
gmp:
bash:
gtk (formerly gnu's but they made it good before red hat tards shat it up):
a whole fucking lot of these are the first choice, although some are tied for first
honorable mentions include readline and emacs
not to mention their free software license that sees a decent amount of use

Kola said:
He has not been relevant to software development in any form since early 2000s. Other people took over. This isn't an opinion or judgment of character, it's a fact. He just keeps touring obscure universities and giving the same old tired, no longer relevant lecture, without considering how the world has changed around him.
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he might not program today but he is undeniably one of the giants we stand on the shoulders of
 
Creative Username said:
gcc:
glibc:
fribidi:
gnu coreutils:
gmp:
bash:
gtk (formerly gnu's but they made it good before red hat tards shat it up):
a whole fucking lot of these are the first choice, although some are tied for first
honorable mentions include readline and emacs
not to mention their free software license that sees a decent amount of use
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Pretty much confirming what I said: none of these are new projects.
 
Kola said:
Pretty much confirming what I said: none of these are new projects.
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>it's only le good if it came out in the last 3 months
curry-stained javascript pajeet fingers typed this post from a sheet metal hovel on one of the stinkiest designated shitting streets of new delhi

and here we have the strange case of the man who never goes over bridges built over 5 years ago because "none of these are new projects"
seriously, what the fuck is wrong with you? the gnu packages i listed are all very relevant, they are relied on by untold amounts of software, and most of them are maintained by the gnu project
 
HalHalliday said:
Aren't safe deposit boxes notoriously unsafe?
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The FBI violated the Fourth Amendment when its agents rifled through the contents of more than 700 safe-deposit boxes in the aftermath of a March 2021 raid, a panel of federal appeals court judges ruled unanimously on Tuesday.

In doing so, the judges at the 9th Circuit Court of Appeals confirmed what innocent victims of the raid and their attorneys have been arguing for years: that the FBI overstepped the bounds of its warrant issued in the case and failed to follow proper protocol when federal agents cracked open safe-deposit boxes, ran the contents past drug-sniffing dogs, and tried to seize some of the money and other valuables found in the boxes.
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WielkiWapiesz2137 said:
“Erm achuhaly a man whose work resulted in software written by his organization being widely used thought world without which there wouldn’t be escape from goyware is le hecking ineffective”
As far as FOSS activists go stallman is one of the most effective ones.
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"Activist" is another word for idiot.

Stallman is a spoiled brat Marxist who never worked a day in his life.
 
figured it's worth reposting this in this thread. I heard about this drama in prep for a stream because grok sends me a weekly chronicle of random stuff by my design.

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not using ai is gimping yourself.
 
Betonhaus said:
How did you get grok to do that?
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i assume some kind of advanced ai system like cron
he has a script that triggers every week and sshs into a raspi on the lan and runs a python script that moves a servo to knock over a domino which activates a meticulously designed rube goldberg machine that drops a marble on the scroll lock key on his keyboard which triggers a macro that opens up the llm and types "latest kiwifarm funny from last week good saar [link to community happenings thread]" and clicks on the "submit" button
 
volatile puar said:
Feel free to fork the project under a
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Devils advocate: Using ChatGPT isn't an issue. People said the same things about looking for solutions or guidance outside low level books when the internet became popular. This is the same autistic purism where they tell someone interested in coding to read The C Programming Language (2nd Edition) by Kernighan and Ritchie which puts people off of coding. It's completely unrealistic to hold such expectations unless you're a NEET or your job uses the specific technology. They're arguably worse than the boomers who try to keep new people out of their dying hobbies.
The anti-"AI" people are the same as the anti-motorized-vehicle and anti-electricity people who grasped at straws about how dangerous and inferior both technologies were.

If you're unable to be trusted to use a powerful tool, that's your problem, not the tool's.
 
Using AI for coding is like hiring a retarded Indian. The difference being that you can beat the Indian when he misbehaves.

You still have to go through every line and make sure that he/the AI didn't fuck up.
 
DavidS877 said:
Using AI for coding is like hiring a retarded Indian. The difference being that you can beat the Indian when he misbehaves.

You still have to go through every line and make sure that he/the AI didn't fuck up.
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it also seems to create verbose code with unnecessary baggage at times, much like the retarded indian who copies snippets from saaroverflow, so you might have a lot of lines to contend with
i've played with a couple of mechanical indians very casually and they seem to be sort of neat, but they're not really the 10x benefit many claim they are
they probably make verbose and watered-down languages with nonsensically designed libraries littered with ceremony a bit easier, but even with cobol you are not limited by how fast you can type the bullshit

and at the end of the day the tool doesn't make the craftsman. there are many horror stories of people discovering that their local FORTRAN Boomer™ (who programs fucking circles around them) actually writes out all the code longhand before "keying it in" [this specific terminology] to the computer
WielkiWapiesz2137 said:
If you think that Stallman never worked a day in his life you have research skills of a nigger.
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iirc he was an incredibly brilliant academic who was originally a really decent physics major who got sidetracked by these newfangled "computers" and then helped with some interesting findings in computer science that are probably still used to verify safety-critical aerospace software or whatever
of course he got sidetracked again to write his own operating system and spend 36 hours a day, 8 days a week, 60 weeks per year making shitstained propriejeets seethe at his very existence
overall a pretty cool guy
 
DavidS877 said:
You still have to go through every line and make sure that he/the AI didn't fuck up.
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Which is substantially faster than manually writing boilerplate. Nearly all projects aren't novel so the screwups are minimal unless your prompting is really bad, you're using the LLM web interfaces and copy-pasting code with no context, or you're using models that aren't great for coding. Tools like Cline and Claude do substantially boost productivity if you know how to use them and know how to code. Model Context Protocol servers are also fairly game changing as they allow these tools to query resources if they deem it necessary. Devs who refuse to use LLMs as assistants for their mundane dev jobs are likely going to be left behind in terms of productivity. No amount of gotchas to show a coding LLM and system struggle at X uncommon language or concept is going to change things. The code also isn't "slop" tier and is often substantially better than what a lot of devs write as it avoids anti-patterns and adds sanity checks. Most of the complaints from /g/-tier people are moot and most are just lame gotchas that have little real world significance. The uncomfortable reality for these people is that coding often isn't prestigious and its mostly writing the same patterns over and over again which is something you can train an LLM to do.
Detractors:stress: should spend a few months using something like Cline or Claude for normal coding and actually understand how to use the systems instead of autistically dismissing them.
 
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Kendall Motor Oil said:
ChatGPT isn't an issue.
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I agree, and if we assume that Graf Zahl is telling the truth with his excuses :optimistic: then there is no problem. The whole thing is less about the AI programming and more an excuse for the other developers to make a fork without the Malevolent Dictator For Life Graf Zahl, and have people actually use it.
 
DavidS877 said:
Using AI for coding is like hiring a retarded Indian. The difference being that you can beat the Indian when he misbehaves.
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They work really well as parsers for super huge outputs or as proofreading tools in my experience. If you can put up with double checking for hallucinations (especially if you are researching a niche subject), they can find some really neat things. Personally I use them to sniff out obscure 3 view Guix System githubs that I can dig interesting scripts & configs from.
 
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