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You clearly do not understand the nature of the CVE or the safety guarantees rust makes.
Open Source Software Community - it's about ethics in Code of Conducts
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dame dudi jench
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Everyone you'd want to punish already forks it, right? Like Google has a private fork for YouTube servers and a public one for the version it distributes with chromium. Crippling the main branch to own Google would be like that Air Force guy who lit himself on fire to own the jews. This is the inherently lolcow thing about GPLniks - their whole organizing principle is wanting software to be completely free, then they spend half their time fuming that people they don't like are using their software in ways they don't like.
If there are CVEs, how can you say it's memory safe?
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Disappointed, but not surprised.
This is maybe a bit offtopic for this thread, but are there any "gaming-oriented" Linux distros you guys would recommend? I installed Bazzite for the first time a couple of weeks ago and have been pleasantly surprised by how things Just Work:tm: with games.
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none that are relevant in this case apparently
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None of them. A majority are just based off other distros that are far better to run as a normal user. Bazzite is fine, but once you use it for a while and want to do anything besides opening steam or a web browser almost all immutable distros fall flat and become a nuisance. The only "gaming" distro that makes sense is CachyOS, and even then its mostly placebo where the only performance increase would be on cpu dependent games or if there is a new feature that hasn't been merged in a official package yet, like the AMD Anti Lag vulkan extension that was release on CachyOS a few months before Mesa 25.3 came around and finally shipped it.
Just install a normal distro like linux mint for a older machine or fedora kde on a newer one and install steam. 90% of gaming distros just prepackage gaming packages with a existing distro.
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If you can afford a cheap $7/mo server with a static IPv4, you can run Headscale which is Wireguard but meshed and can connect through NATs because the headscale server helps coordinate direct connections.
This is a common strategy to destroy/replace any power structure and the people using it all seem to be narcissistic, power hungry people.
People are retarded and are fooled into actually believing its about "transmisia" rather than power grabs.
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Thanks for the reply. I suppose I'll give a regular linux distro a try and see what happens.
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I agree with @Rust Troony insofar as going with Linux Mint for older machines. I disagree with Fedora KDE on newer machines because Plasma 6 is still abject rubbish and the Plasma team going all-in on Wayland and electing to remove the X11 session by Plasma 6.7. I would opt for a Fedora Spin like Xfce, Cinnamon, MATE+Compiz, or LXQt. Those spins still ship with a full Xorg stack OOTB, and you still get the "lazy man's bleeding edge Linux distro" feeling that Fedora is great at providing.
I built a whole new PC and Plasma 6 was awful. Dual 1080p monitors @ 60Hz, artefacting and mouse hangs when moving your mouse between windows is still a longstanding issue. Problem is that the (still-extant) Plasma 6 X11 session is also a huge step down from the Plasma 5 X11 session. There are also tons of nonfatal SIGSEGV that keep happening and remain open on Red Hat's Bugzilla for months (maybe even years at this point) because the onus is on Plasma upstream to fix them... and they absolutely fucking won't. Jumping over to Fedora 43 Cinnamon and the difference is night and day.
EDIT for clarification: @SleeplessEcho if your Steam/GOG library is mostly DX9 or older, Wayland is much spottier. A lot of DX9 stuff will work, but there are specific odds and ends unique to DX9 that don't pop up in DX10 or newer. Witcher 1+2 under Wayland have launcher issues where I can't click on the "Launch game" button, so I'd have to explicitly select the EXE for the game itself in Heroic so that the game would start... but then I wouldn't have the option to select my graphical presets. Under Xorg? The launchers for Witcher 1+2 are perfect and do all the stuff they're supposed to do. Devil May Cry HD Collection? Yeah, the gameplay starts just fine under Wayland, but you miss out on specific intro cutscenes before you even get to start the game. Xorg? It works just fine.
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The problem is they do it in such way that explaining it to a normal person requires a bunch of pre-existing knowledge. If the other person does not have it, you end up looking retarded and they now believe the tranny even more
It also doesn't help that Rust itself isn't at fault. It's a good language. Type and memory safety are important because they save you dev time. It's literally just the people pushing it being the worst you can imagine and making the most retarded claims
If the people pushing Rust didn't just go:
- coc
- you should remake this in rust
- men with kneesocks, leggings, thigh highs
- tranny shit
- BAN NAZIS FROM CODE
- FRAMEWORK IS EVOL
- etc
I'm pretty sure most people would be ok with stuff being changed to Rust. But as it stands, if you let these faggots have a win they can do what they're actually there for. Code? No, get power and fuck people over
I do think that being angry at Rust or specific tech is counterproductive. I don't even know if this is necessarily a tranny issue either. These entitled vocal faggots always existed, they now just hide behind the new tranny umbrella. Once being one isn't cool anymore, they'll be something else. Hell there's plenty of "allies" that act the same way, those are just as big of an issue
We really need common sense back somehow. Nobody would accept a CoC if they thought for 20 seconds about it
Enne
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I don't know why people act like any of this is true, the most true thing you said is type checking is good but even web developer retards admit this now.
Security is not as important as everyone makes it out to be because if people really cared about security they wouldn't make these massively overcomplicated projects nobody can understand with 2000 dependencies they cannot possibly vet the safety of.
Rust doesn't save developer time because it is insanely high friction because it assumes you know what you need to do for a project immediately which in a lot of cases you don't. If you don't know exactly what it is that needs to be done then you need to refactor and waste a lot of time, you could just use unsafe while developing then move to enabling the borrow checker but then you'll still have a large refactor ahead of you. Rust also makes you use RAII which is bad because we live in the modern day and we do not malloc and free every single allocation unless you happen to be one of the many retards in the world.
The real problem with rust is that everything about it is propaganda spread by the uneducated, nobody actually programs actively, people just go online and say shit. Nobody cares about security, nobody cares about how to actually develop programs faster, nobody even knows the real problems plaguing software development (it's definitely not memory related security bugs), the software development industry is plagued with problems and trannies pushing trash languages is only a small part of it.
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The Ukraine is basically a middle eastern country if you really think about it.
The fuck are you talking about? "Supporting it for free". Do you know how many projects today are using ffmpeg? How much noney they made off the work that they did.
Like youtube for instance. It also goes against the bullshit you were saying about GPL and corporations. Why is it that so many seem fine with using ffmpeg? Why are so many of them fine using the linux kernel for their company?
Are you retarded or just pretending to be?
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dame dudi jench
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A sentence got cut out, sorry - the thing GPLniks are whining about are large corps not supporting the nginx-ingress controller for kubernetes once the sole maintainer quit, bc they've moved on to gateway API.
FFmpeg is LGPL, which is the good variant and not gay race communism. they would GPL it if they could get away with it, but Google or somebody would keep their fork LGPL and gut them.
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You don't know what a CVE is.
dame dudi jench
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I set up pop_os earlier this year to learn Linux. it's very user friendly and minimum of fuss and it's now on 24_04. Easy to break your boot loader dual booting any Linux build with windows, so would recommend a clean wipe. Pop_os has lots of different ways of installing packages, steam works perfectly. The 1.0 of the new cosmic DE is great too.
That one was a joke but don't expect you to extend benefit of the doubt after the garbled message.
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Memory safety is useful to avoid actual bugs/crashes/issues that are unrelated to securityslop too, and it's not bad to avoid bugs in your code. It's good to have that in a programming language.
But security is indeed important, and you think that too. What you mean is that the level of security that "researchers" are pushing is retarded. The FFmpeg security issue with that lucas arts decoder that would only run in some very specific game for a few frames is indeed insane. But if there's a docker vulnerability that somehow allows escalation to host you bet your ass you'll update that shit immediately.
It saves developer time for type safety and memory safety because it forces them, whereas in C you will have these bubble up over time, and if you actually want to fix them it will similarly take a long time. I don't know which takes longer. The value of memory safety should be pretty obvious. Just imagine if most of these web devs programmed in languages that let you handle memory manually.
There's few people that do Rust or C projects anyway, most people use some other language that doesn't even bother with letting developers handle memory themselves. Most stuff people do would take longer in C or Rust and don't even need that speed.
Yes, but it's not the fault of the language itself, it's exactly what I was saying above. You're just going on a bandwagon hating rust because trannies love it so much. What difference is there then between us and the trannies if we just similarly jump on bandwagons that don't have technical merit?
At least jump on the right bandwagon of hating on the trannies themselves. If the President of Rust says it's dead and nobody can use it anymore trannies will just jump on another language, will you just hate on that next?
Or maybe I'm wrong, do you have some project of yours you did in C and tried Rust but found it to be genuinely very bad for reasons other than "I don't know the intricacies of this particular language yet"?
I hate rust trannies more than you can ever imagine, and I don't have any intention to use the language just because of how much I hate its community, but criticizing the language itself is counter productive just like any language war online. PHP is old python is slow Go is too verbose. Just use the right language for the right task and you won't have any of those issues. You wouldn't write a blog in Rust or C would you?
One thing in all of the language wars is that you very rarely see someone bring an actual technical argument with an example. How many people in these wars have even touched C or Rust? If you don't do kernel programming how do you actually know there aren't places of the kernel that Rust is fit for?
I think this sort of rhetoric is just retarded and a waste of time. Like you said, software development is riddled with problems, so why get stuck on a retarded one?
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on the subject of security the latest version of the kernel seems to have a regression involving builtin fingerprint readers again.
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blessed local zigger @dec05eba has been hacking on an x server in zig and it got written up in phoronix https://www.phoronix.com/news/Phoenix-X-Server
I think it's an XWayland/Linux DRI cross-bug. I use sway and ever since an update a month ago, an old GTK2 app I have breaks on startup sometimes.
I have no love of X11, but it's amazing how many apps kick on XWayland. Toxic is an ncurses-based Tox client, but it loads XWayland. So does Deadbeef: if you unload the
hotkeys module, XWayland stops loading, but you lose the ZXCVBN keys to control playback. And no, no necessary relationship exists between a local window's key accelerators and X11 global hotkeys.
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one of golang's creators goes nuclear
