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My friend sent me this and I think it might be reasonable to post it here.

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I am not a copyright lawyer, but this appears to be a totally useless clause. First, Duckstation is licensed under Creative Commons Attribution-NonCommercial-NoDerivatives 4.0 International (which is not a free software license, which took a lot of effort in rewriting code because Duckstation used to be free software but Stenzek was angry at Retroarch for reasons I can't remember), which explicitly allows
4. Media and formats; technical modifications allowed. The Licensor authorizes You to exercise the Licensed Rights in all media and formats whether now known or hereafter created, and to make technical modifications necessary to do so.
Compiling code into a package is merely a change in format and it seems very unlikely that any court would disagree. Additionally, he says
NOTE: In addition to the terms of CC-BY-NC-ND-4.0, you may not use this file to create packages or build recipes without explicit permission from the copyright holder.
But, in the readme, he provides build instructions to all and sundry, which any reasonable person would interpret as explicit permission. Now, obviously he has tried to conditionally revoke permission from the Archlinux and NixOS maintainers to build his packages (but only in the case that they intend to package them in their distributions), but this NOTE is "in addition to" the terms of CC-BY-NC-ND-4.0, in which he authorizes everyone to make packages. Furthermore, that same clause of CC-BY-NC-ND-4.0 says this
The Licensor waives and/or agrees not to assert any right or authority to forbid You from making technical modifications necessary to exercise the Licensed Rights, including technical modifications necessary to circumvent Effective Technological Measures. For purposes of this Public License, simply making modifications authorized by this Section 2(a) (4) never produces Adapted Material.
So he actually just doesn't have the right to forbid them from modifying the code to make it package in NixOS and Arch. That being said, this is all a bunch of niggatry and the packagers should have respected his wishes and just used the AppImage that Stenzek builds.
 
Now, obviously he has tried to conditionally revoke permission from the Archlinux and NixOS maintainers to build his packages
The license CC-BY-NC-ND-4.0 is marked as "unfree" in nixpkgs:

That means the NixOS maintainers don't build the package. All they provide is instructions that allow Nix to build locally on users' machines. The user also has to turn on "allow unfree" before Nix will build it.

See their docs for details:
 
With these the problem might be the way they are implemented. I would say it's incompetence, and ignorance that leads to the way countries end up crafting laws to deal with this. But in this case I have a hard time believing it. Mostly because of the decades long track record of them trying to pass these laws "to save the kids", that would do nothing to help kids, and instead make it easier to track communications, and tie things to people.
Nah, we both know it's maliciousness, not incompetence. There's a coordinated effort across multiple countries to implement this shit, and they use the same cookie-cutter language in all their bills. None of them are about protecting children. All of them are about identifying and silencing political threats.
Like one of the big ones I always bring up is end-to-end encryption. There are multiple places that have tried at various times in the past to ban end-to-end encryption. With the stated goal to "save the kids". Anyone be able to see how absurd that is on it's face. Or more recently the U.K. attempting to fuck with the ability to use a VPN. To enforce their shitty online safety act. I should dig up the clip of some faggot in the government saying not to use vpns to get around the regulation to "keep the kids safe". As if an adult using a vpn has any bearing on whether children are in harms way. It's the same shit every time. In the case of this vpn thing in the UK it's especially bad. Because the last I knew they have more arrests for social media posts than countries like Russia. Now people aren't going to even be able to use a vpn without it being tied to their government ID.
Yeah, because no one could just connect to an overseas VPN and pay for it in bitcoin. WHO WOULD EVER DO SUCH A THING???
I do think it's important to keep kids off of these apps, and sites. However, the only way to fight this is from the parents end. It takes effort. But if people rely on the government to fix the issue, 1 they actually are incompetent at everything they do. 2 they don't actually care about peoples kids 3 they will just do it in a way that makes it impossible to post anything without it being directly tied to you're name. Because it directly benefits them to do so. And it's the laziest possible way to do it.
Well, there are things that could be done that don't involve identifying anybody. For example, I think it was the social media bill in Texas that got real specific about what services it applied to. I think if someone handed down a bill like that which said "algorithmic feeds are a deceptive trade practice" and "no infinite scrolling", among other things, without anyone having to identify themselves, it'd pass with little resistance.
 
Well, there are things that could be done that don't involve identifying anybody. For example, I think it was the social media bill in Texas that got real specific about what services it applied to. I think if someone handed down a bill like that which said "algorithmic feeds are a deceptive trade practice" and "no infinite scrolling", among other things, without anyone having to identify themselves, it'd pass with little resistance.
I just have zero confidence that the government, particularly the federal government will do it without infringing on rights. It is pretty clear what the goal is, and it's been a consistent effort from them for decades to do it in various forms.

If they did actually write up a reasonable bill with language that doesn't have massive overreach, or is worded much to broadly I might support it at least a bit more.

Although, I really do think these things ultimately do come down to parents. That is the fact right now, it's up to parents to protect their kids from online content, and social media, just like it's on them to protect then from the other dangers of life. Generally I do think it should be on parents to decide what is in the best interest for their kids.

I think the government stepping in always has the potential to have some serious negative consequences. Like for instance, I'm sure whoever the retards were that passed laws about trans kids, thought they were helping out somehow (because they fell for the tranny bullshit), but it was a horrific law that violated the rights of parents, and put kids in what I would consider real danger of having life long physical and psychological damage done to them. I can't remember which states passed laws like those. I think California at least, if not a couple others.

It's the reason why I tend to be more libertarian. It's not that I think people should have to fend for themselves. But I see it as the most direct, and effective way for things to be done. The people that are actually effected should be the ones making decisions. Because government bureaucracy is slow, usually misinformed on some level, and many times does things sloppily like a bull in a china shop. And that's when they aren't being outright malicious. I think the better way is directly educating parents on what the actual dangers are, and what kind of material steps they can take to limit, or stop access to these apps.
 
I'm seeing a similar cult following with Wayland too. Can't criticize Wayland else you're a chud or something.
 
My friend sent me this and I think it might be reasonable to post it here.

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This is so unbelievably retarded lol. If you do shit like this you're no better than Microsoft autistic screeching at somebody because they're still on a non-11 version of Windows. On github you can literally just lock issues or delete them like forum threads if you don't want to do stuff with it.
 
Detecting NixOS by looking at /etc/os-release just shows me you're an incompetent faggot who doesn't know jack shit.

That file doesn't even exist in the nixpkgs build sandbox.
 
Oh thats duckstation lol. The dev hates wayland because he needs to make a billion workarounds for it. He has even considered removing linux support partly because of it.
The truth is that the Developers fucking hate Wayland but you won't hear this from Poettering-lets.
It is a nightmare to maintain and debug.


Source: Private conversation with a KiCad developer/maintainer @ Fosdem last year.
 
The truth is that the Developers fucking hate Wayland but you won't hear this from Poettering-lets.
It is a nightmare to maintain and debug.


Source: Private conversation with a KiCad developer/maintainer @ Fosdem last year.
More devs should be more vocal about Wayland-hate, and should make demands of the Wayland developers.
 
More devs should be more vocal about Wayland-hate, and should make demands of the Wayland developers.
Only if those demands consist solely of "neck yourself, tranny".

Thankfully, we are not all subject to Wayland oppression, and XWindows is still alive (whether troons like it or not).
 
This is being discussed in the nixpkgs repo here:
(scroll down to recent posts)
Megalodon is the only good way to archive shithub afaik: https://megalodon.jp/2026-0205-1829-26/https://github.com:443/NixOS/nixpkgs/issues/342570
I'm seeing a similar cult following with Wayland too. Can't criticize Wayland else you're a chud or something.
That's old news at this point.

You can find slapfights about Wayland/XLibre, Rust, etc. on Phoronix, which is one of the few sites that is lightly moderated and both sides are willing and able to participate. But it seems like the chuds are losing, going by replies and stickers.

OpenIndiana Rust
X.org conference
Rust Coreutils
Rust Coreutils TROLLS!
SonicDE X11
Xfwl4 Wayland Compositor For Xfce
X.Org 2026 releases
X.Org Git branch
GNOME 50 Alpha Released With The X11 Code Gutted
GNOME Mutter 50 Alpha Released With X11 Backend Removed
XWayland RandR Improvements
Budgie 10.10 Released: Officially Migrated From X11 To Wayland
 
More devs should be more vocal about Wayland-hate, and should make demands of the Wayland developers.
The worst part is that Wayland has such an excellent opportunity to be such an excellent protocol but is simply too bogged down by niggerlicious developers. Way(Hypr)land has been more than good to me. Then again, I don't really work on anything that is protocol-specific, so I can't speak on the experience of others.
 
I wish the current state of things wasn't wayland = trannies, and rust = trannies. The organizations are full of them, But I just don't think their is anything inherently wrong with either. There are technical criticisms you can have for either, but they both have their strength. Just like C has it's strengths, and xorg as well.

I don't blame xorg/xlibre people, and c people for hating the rust trannies, and the freedesktop wayland fags. Because most of the problems do stem from them. It's just so avoidable. I hate the way they've basically driven a huge wedge in open source. It was already divided enough. But no, they had to go shove their fucking tranny dicks into the middle of it. Seriously if they wanted to make their lives easier, you would think they would just try working with people that happen to disagree with their gay ass politics.

idk. I'm so tired of it.

@Ferryman
The worst part is that Wayland has such an excellent opportunity to be such an excellent protocol but is simply too bogged down by niggerlicious developers. Way(Hypr)land has been more than good to me. Then again, I don't really work on anything that is protocol-specific, so I can't speak on the experience of others.
I haven't heard too many people actually complain about it.

Most of the time when I see people that really have a hard time with it. It's on already well established advanced programs built around doing things on xorg. For those I can understand why they think aren't happy about it. For people starting from the ground up, most seem fine making things for wayland.
 
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wayland = trannies, and rust = trannies. The organizations are full of them, But I just don't think their is anything inherently wrong with either. There are technical criticisms you can have for either, but they both have their strength. Just like C has it's strengths, and xorg as well.
They made it a part of their identities and politicized it like a cult. You criticize Wayland or Rust and you might as well have misgendered a tranny and worn a swastika.
 
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