Open Source Software Community - it's about ethics in Code of Conducts

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You Promised said:
The goal is to become viral, then outrage mob can bully the target into capitulation and compliance while inflicting some amount of damage as a warning to other dissenters.
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This is why you just fucking ignore them. What are they going to do? Quit using the web entirely? You'd more or less have to do that not to encounter SQLite.
 
Ah, thanks for sharing that mailing list thread. Good to see the team is standing up against the mob so far, though I think the best move would be to just ignore them and not respond, thus deriving them of something to respond to and thus prolong the outrage.

So then, why not use a more modern CoC? I looked at that too, but
found the so-called "modern" CoCs to be vapid. They are trendy
feel-good statements that do not really get to the heart of the matter
in the way the the ancient Rule does. By way of analogy, I view
modern CoCs as being like pop music - selling millions of copies today
and completely forgotten next year. I prefer something more enduring,
like Mozart.
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Great way to frame the issue. Well done.

Also, how can you tell if someone's an atheist?

Haha, don't worry friend, they'll be sure to tell you.
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Omega lulz.
 
AnOminous said:
This is why you just fucking ignore them. What are they going to do? Quit using the web entirely? You'd more or less have to do that not to encounter SQLite.
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That's exactly it. These people have absolutely no power whatsoever. They only have the power you give them. Ignoring them makes them go completely away as the only thing they can do is crybullying, they have no other power or influence else. I think people are getting wise to this. I sure hope so, at least.
 
Capsaicin Addict said:
A friend of mine compared it to 'spot the vegan'. They just can't help but slap on that fedora and tell you how stupid you are.
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One of my coworkers was bragging yesterday about how some old church lady handed him a pamphlet and he told her he doesn't believe in her made-up sky fairy. One of the older guys basically told him to leave his fedora at the door and stop being a douche to randos.

And atheists still wonder why nobody takes them seriously.
 
AmpleApricots said:
Ignoring them makes them go completely away as the only thing they can do is crybullying, they have no other power or influence else.
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Making fun of them makes them go completely apeshit, though, because their entire self-worth is wrapped up in some bullshit idea they have that they're the moral guardians of the universe, much like the fundies and batty old church ladies they basically are.
 
awoo said:
Technology ranter and self-proclaimed high IQ expert Michael O. Church may be lolcow worthy. I knew something was up when he claims to work in AI/ML and has ANTIFA in his twitter bio. https://twitter.com/MichaelOChurch Whines about how tech company employers and capitalism are evil.

He held a failed reddit AMA even though he's not a notable individual in any way
http://archive.is/6PCHI
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I thought he was quite famous in tech circles because he was fired from google, fought with Paul Graham (who owns Hacker News) and writes encyclopedia length blog posts about corruption in Silicon Valley. I would suggest you read some of them before judging, especially the ones on fascism (spoiler alert, it's not about Trump). He's not really a lolcow he's just someone who's had his career and reputation destroyed for saying the wrong things to the wrong people. Anyway he has literally nothing to do with open source.

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Old news but this thread is lacking content.
Bro project has been bullied into changing their name for "obvious reasons".
http://blog.bro.org/2018/10/renaming-bro-project_11.html

we heard clear concerns from the Bro community that the name "Bro" has taken on strongly negative connotations, such as "Bro culture". These send a sharp, anti-inclusive - and wholly unintended and undesirable - message to those who might use Bro.
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emuemuemu said:
I thought he was quite famous in tech circles because he was fired from google, fought with Paul Graham (who owns Hacker News) and writes encyclopedia length blog posts about corruption in Silicon Valley. I would suggest you read some of them before judging, especially the ones on fascism (spoiler alert, it's not about Trump). He's not really a lolcow he's just someone who's had his career and reputation destroyed for saying the wrong things to the wrong people. Anyway he has literally nothing to do with open source.

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Old news but this thread is lacking content.
Bro project has been bullied into changing their name for "obvious reasons".
http://blog.bro.org/2018/10/renaming-bro-project_11.html
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They should rename it cuck project because that's apparently what they are.
 
I've debated creating a thread on Church. He has the natural lolcow qualities of attracting drama, getting banned, persecution complex, and massive ego. However I don't know if KF users will find it sufficiently interesting. I think the backstory is worthwhile and the quotes are quite funny. I will try not to derail the thread so I'm open to opinions via PM or the appropriate thread.
 
Marvin said:
Yeah, that's a good point. I think the lack of a hacker culture is really what's limiting. I've worked with talented Indians (in India) and untalented ones. But regardless of which group they fall in, they've always had one thing in common: they didn't really like programming as a hobby, it was just something they did for a job.

People can become good programmers even if they don't enjoy programming as a hobby. But I think it's an uphill battle.
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You'd be surprised. I've mentored and judged for six hackathons this year, and South Asian representation probably 3-4x the regional average. Meanwhile East Asian makeup is easily 20+x the regional average, and I've seen events where East Asians outnumbered Wypipo, and at pretty much every event Asian women outnumber white women 2:1.
 
https://www.sqlite.org/codeofconduct.html

SQLite has adopted the Mozilla Community Participation Guidelines as their official Code of Conduct. The Benedictine Rule has been renamed to the "Code of Ethics of the Project Founder", and it still governs the current developers' interactions between themselves and the world.

Richard Hipp explained in the mailing list that he's following his own Code:
Richard Hipp said:
... some people were troubled with the Benedictine Rule being called a "Code of Conduct". It turns out that the term "Code of Conduct" has special significance to some communities, and if you misuse the term, it causes emotional distress. If I can relieve that sorrow without compromising my own values, isn't it right to do so?
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https://archive.fo/Fp0bj#selection-6201.0-6211.32
 
You Promised said:
https://www.sqlite.org/codeofconduct.html

SQLite has adopted the Mozilla Community Participation Guidelines as their official Code of Conduct. The Benedictine Rule has been renamed to the "Code of Ethics of the Project Founder", and it still governs the current developers' interactions between themselves and the world.

Richard Hipp explained in the mailing list that he's following his own Code: https://archive.fo/Fp0bj#selection-6201.0-6211.32
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The glow in the dark negro gentlemen actually got to him. The saddest part is that he seem to have genuinely expected the Benedictine Rule to be enough to ward off the demons, but they never stop. It appears there's even a demon coming from *inside* the mailing list: http://sqlite.1065341.n5.nabble.com/Regarding-CoC-tp104277p104396.html

Also, I love that he picks out the most innocuous parts as the ones which he thinks triggered the harpies. Screen Shot 2018-10-25 at 6.36.50 pm.png
 
https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+...f47wk8Y4QOrceW1NqTWHaSnB9l8hWZDXDWBdhrfIwPOLA

Man it's almost like throwing everything and the kitchen sink into one thingie gives you a big attack surface or something. You can't even really layer your security. Also it's basically a classic buffer overflow. Good that systemd does away with all the stuff we learned in the past, so we can make all mistakes all over again!

I also like that the very design of systemd makes this exploit reliable to well.. exploit. That also deserves some style points. Apropos of nothing, today I heard the expression "Good idea fairy Poettering" and I really liked it.
 
CrunkLord420 said:
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I'd argue the Red Hat buyout was a important move for IBM. They've been trying to ditch the image they built up for decades of overpriced proprietary black boxes and crappy servers (everyone I've known in the IT field hates IBM with a passion) for a while now and have been doubling down as of late on open products, from the OpenPower group (which has led to a fully FOSS workstation based on the IBM Power9 CPU) to doubling down on Linux support for PowerPC with the new ppc64el port that allows x86 oriented little endian code to be ported easier.

It'll be interesting to see how it pans out, it'll either be a success for IBM or it'll result in more control of Linux switching away from Red Hat to Canonical and Google.
 
Is this the thing that will surely end linux forever of this week? I'm uhh... not really sure if it's a bad thing actually. Really can go either way.

Indestructible POWER9 Notebooks with Linux preinstalled when? (kidding. Kind of.)
 
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