Diseased Open Source Software Community - it's about ethics in Code of Conducts

[AmpleApricots]

/r/linux which is like normie/hipster central in regards to linux has been deleting threads about this left and right. It's quite telling when even they are tired of this shit. The reason given is that it has nothing to do with linux which is true but hasn't stopped older Stallman threads that don't really have anything to do with linux either from hanging around.

There are tons of languages like rust that get celebrated as the language to solve programming and then are not talked about anymore a week later. That in itself is really nothing special. Trendy hipster webdevs moving on to the new language of the week is a meme in itself already. What made rust special was how obviously and hard it was shilled by Mozilla. Mozilla has been the king of questionable decisions in the last few years. Otherwise all these languages usually are the formula "Imagine C++ but [insert pet feature of the developer here]"

 

[AnOminous]

Mozilla has been the king of questionable decisions in the last few years. Otherwise all these languages usually are the formula "Imagine C++ but [insert pet feature of the developer here]"

It's pretty amazing how fast it went to absolute shit after firing Brendan Eich. I doubt just his absence would have done that by itself, or the absence of any one person. However, it's the kind of culture that would do that which elevates mediocrity and stupidity and ignores merit.

The browser itself is now absolute garbage a few short years later, and its degeneration started nearly immediately and visibly from that moment on.

 

[byuu]

It's pretty amazing how fast it went to absolute shit after firing Brendan Eich. I doubt just his absence would have done that by itself, or the absence of any one person. However, it's the kind of culture that would do that which elevates mediocrity and stupidity and ignores merit.

Eich was actually involved in the creation of Rust.
Which is a great reason to stay away from it. I'm not touching a language from the man that brought us JavaScript.

 

[teriyakiburns]

This rampaging turbo cunt is complaining about "Corporate Explotation" while working at FUCKING MICROSOFT! Microsoft the one who is taking Google Chrome , ripping out the "DANGER WORDS!" and rebranding it as Edge 2.0?

I was genuinely pissed when they did that. Edge had craptacular takeup, but the engine was actually halfway decent and improving at a fair clip, and could have presented a challenge to Chrome if it had kept going. Now it's just another skinned Chromium, with all that entails. Google is already starting to remove features from chrome that challenge their revenue, as well as ignoring standards that don't benefit them. Torn between corporate hegemon and troonfox, I'm stuck with the latter until I can find a reliable fork that works with the stand-alone FF sync server I'm running.

 

[vertexwindi]

I was genuinely pissed when they did that. Edge had craptacular takeup, but the engine was actually halfway decent and improving at a fair clip, and could have presented a challenge to Chrome if it had kept going. Now it's just another skinned Chromium, with all that entails. Google is already starting to remove features from chrome that challenge their revenue, as well as ignoring standards that don't benefit them. Torn between corporate hegemon and troonfox, I'm stuck with the latter until I can find a reliable fork that works with the stand-alone FF sync server I'm running.

Use Brave?

 

[teriyakiburns]

Use Brave?

It's also a reskinned chromium. It has too much googly goop inside it for my tastes.

 

[Ivan Shatov]

It's pretty amazing how fast it went to absolute shit after firing Brendan Eich. I doubt just his absence would have done that by itself, or the absence of any one person. However, it's the kind of culture that would do that which elevates mediocrity and stupidity and ignores merit.

The browser itself is now absolute garbage a few short years later, and its degeneration started nearly immediately and visibly from that moment on.

Christie Kohler is the reason for the lack of quality in the browser.

Eich left based on pogroms she organized within the company. He wasn't the only person who left, basically every talented engineer who had an issue with the emerging SJW culture took leave of the place. It was bad, senior engineers who did their graduate work at Carnegie Mellon were replaced with junior marketing people with associates degrees and the right politics. Attrition continued until around 2016 and has plateaued to a place where senior technical resources are merely competent and performance is measured by social quotas.

If you want to know how Mozilla invests its money, look at the Mozilla Foundation (mozilla.org) in the Wayback Machine. The site has advanced all these 'worthwhile' projects for the web that have little to do with browser technology. They fundraise for the projects, but the main company has to cover shortfalls - which can be significant. There was a universal badges project a few years back that cost them close to $10 mil over the course of a couple years, mostly paid to designers. Have never seen a universal badge or would want one.

 

[AnOminous]

There was a universal badges project a few years back that cost them close to $10 mil over the course of a couple years, mostly paid to designers. Have never seen a universal badge or would want one.

A Google search on universal badge doesn't even turn up whatever the fuck the Mozilla version is. Even throwing Mozilla in gives as a second hit some thing from 2016 saying Mozilla is committed to whatever the fuck this thing even is. Good use of money.

 

[Ivan Shatov]

A Google search on universal badge doesn't even turn up whatever the fuck the Mozilla version is. Even throwing Mozilla in gives as a second hit some thing from 2016 saying Mozilla is committed to whatever the fuck this thing even is. Good use of money.

This Mozilla website was launched around the time the inmates took over.

Mozilla Drumbeat | Projects

Drumbeat gathers smart, creative people like you around big ideas, practical projects and local events that improve the open web.

web.archive.org

At one point there were like 60 projects. The archive pages end around 2012, which is strange because this site had different content in 2014.

Projects were a community / company partnership, what they didn't tell you is engineers were often forced to work on them as part of performance improvement plans after SJWs accused them of various offenses.

Drumbeat was Mozilla's political re-education camp. Getting assigned to a Drumbeat project meant you were getting your salary slashed and would be invited to re-apply for an engineering position if the project was a success. You also had to get good marks from the volunteers in the community.

Unsurprisingly, most people went to work anywhere else on Earth. It was the worst experience ever.

 

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Holy shit what is this thing

https://archive.is/8NROS

Is a 'trans masculine' a FtM tranny, or some sort of special snowflake male? Extremely confusing.

 

[AnOminous]

Holy shit what is this thing
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https://archive.li/8NROS

Is a 'trans masculine' a FtM tranny, or some sort of special snowflake male? Extremely confusing.

A worthless piece of shit in need of a rope.

 

[altkiwi01]

At one point there were like 60 projects. The archive pages end around 2012, which is strange because this site had different content in 2014.

Was this like Mozilla labs? I vaguely remember that having lots of cool looking projects, but it just kinda died off after a while and seemed to vanish into nothing. Probably around 2012-14.

 

[AnOminous]

Projects were a community / company partnership, what they didn't tell you is engineers were often forced to work on them as part of performance improvement plans after SJWs accused them of various offenses.

So they literally had a fucking gulag to punish wrongthink. Why are commies always the fucking same?

 

[Ivan Shatov]

Was this like Mozilla labs? I vaguely remember that having lots of cool looking projects, but it just kinda died off after a while and seemed to vanish into nothing. Probably around 2012-14.

That's actually a hard question to answer. Mozilla Labs meant different things at different times.

When the Mozilla Foundation started in 2003, it was senior engineers working on nextgen features. That group eventually got pulled apart working on different aspects of the browser, but basically it was the mindtrust that brought you features like the sidebar, CSS 2.0 support and the rendering engine.

Mark Surman came on as ED in 2008. One of his first projects was Drumbeat. He wanted the Mozilla brand to be synonymous with open source and started pushing the term 'Mozillians' for anyone in any way connected with Mozilla. Mozilla Labs was reinstituted but it had little to do with the browser. Instead, it was focused on identifying open source projects that might be good candidates to integrate into Drumbeat. It was more of a marketing thing, they spent a lot of time organizing parties and using them to recruit for positions in the company.

One of the major reasons Drumbeat failed was people outside Mozilla rejected the name 'Mozillian.' Leaders of other FOSS projects were working with these gifted engineers who were always looking over their shoulder for the political commissars from marketing. There was just this creepy vibe that attracted more SJWs and repulsed everyone outside North America. After a while, Drumbeat and Labs kind of merged, even though they were separate units in the company.

When this happened, Mozilla started sponsoring these big meetings for Drumbeat all over North America and Europe. The meetings were very weird. You would talk to someone showcasing their project and immediately realize this was some graphic designer's wet dream and no one on the Internet would ever want to use that. Then you would realize Mozilla was spending serious money on these events that they got from search engines and you would ask yourself where are the adults. And people would insist you call yourself a Mozillian at all times, kind of like if you were part of a cult.

Around 2014, Drumbeat folded. Surman lost funding for it from within Mozilla (the corp, not the foundation) and turned to online fundraising to keep the project going. This didn't work and they needed to figure out what to do with the projects and community.

At that point, the Mozilla Labs moniker was taken out of storage, dusted off, and used to refer to this menagerie of Frankenstein projects. Some of them are still going, most of them are not. Mozilla Labs itself was folded sometime around 2016, the company chose to focus on a small selection of projects where they can also sell services because they were no longer getting as much money from search engines.

And that's it. I'm sure the next time they start using it will have something to do with trans rights.

 

[altkiwi01]

And that's it. I'm sure the next time they start using it will have something to do with trans rights.

That all sounds very unfortuante They _were_ doing cool shit with the browser. Maybe we'll see them turn around one day. To be honest though, it'd still rather use FF over Chrome.

 

[awoo]

https://www.reddit.com/r/programming/comments/d59r46/richard_stallman_resigns_from_mit_over_epstein/
https://web.archive.org/web/2019091...chard_stallman_resigns_from_mit_over_epstein/

https://web.archive.org/web/2019091...allman-resigns-from-mit-over-epstein-comments


Computer Scientist Richard Stallman Resigns From MIT Over Epstein Comments

Stallman said the “most plausible scenario” is that one of Epstein’s underage victims was “entirely willing.”

By Joseph Cox
Sep 17 2019, 12:15am
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Famed open source advocate and computer scientist Richard Stallman has resigned from MIT, according to an email he published online. The resignation comes after Stallman made comments about victims of child trafficker Jeffrey Epstein, including that the victims went along with the abuse willingly.
"I am resigning effective immediately from my position in CSAIL at MIT," Stallman wrote in the email, referring to MIT's Computer Science and Artificial Intelligence Laboratory. "I am doing this due to pressure on MIT and me over a series of misunderstandings and mischaracterizations."

Last week, Motherboard published the full email thread in which Stallman wrote that the “most plausible scenario” is that Epstein’s underage victims in his campaign of trafficking were “entirely willing." Stallman also argued about the definition of “rape" and whether the term applies to the victims.
When someone else in the email thread pointed out that victim Virginia Giuffre, who was 17 when she was forced to have sex with AI pioneer Marvin Minsky, Stallman said “it is morally absurd to define ‘rape’ in a way that depends on minor details such as which country it was in or whether the victim was 18 years old or 17.”
Stallman is known as a pioneer of the free software community and movement, which is closely related to the open source movement.

 

[Jump]

And RMS gives them another scalp.

I hate the cucks more then I hate the sjw's.

 

[CIA Nigger]

And they get another scalp.

Not just any scalp, but perhaps the biggest scalp one could find aside from say Linus Torvalds or Theo De Raadt. At this point RMS was more of a historic figurehead and the guy keeping the FSF on it's "only FOSS" autism crusade, even as Linux came under more corporate/Red Hat/Ubuntu influence with systemd (and other lennartware), binary blobs in the kernel, and numerous Android devices not having full GPL source.

It's a pretty big defeat, aside from the fact that the FSF might lose it's focus over time like Mozilla did it's also proof that nobody in the FOSS community is untouchable. For years and years everybody gave Richard Stallman a free pass because he was seen as that weirdo autist who also accomplished big things. Sure he might have nasal sex with dead plants or stink at every talk, but he's RMS and he made the GPL and shit. With the old guard of greybeards being replaced by troons however, none of them give two shits about who RMS is besides "weirdo autist jew pedophile". All it took was another comment about underage sex and troon dangerhairs realized that he had a whole history of saying questionable things. Any positive aspects of his past didn't matter and neither did his autistic reputation, just like with Linus Torvalds they said he was keeping out brave women and LGBT coders from FOSS and he had to go.

It'll be interesting to see who the new management at the FSF is. They're going to need someone as autistically focused and devoted to the idea of free software to continue. There's been enough fears among the old guard and stallmanites over the rise of Red Hat and their influence over Linux and FOSS, and for many of them this will represent a huge loss.

On another note one look at RMSes political notes or website pretty much proves that even having the right talking points and being down with the right political crowd didn't save him. He got eaten by his own side.

 

[Ivan Shatov]

And RMS gives them another scalp.

I hate the cucks more then I hate the sjw's.

From the blog of Eric S. Raymond circa 2015.

http://esr.ibiblio.org/?p=6907

Prescient advice. Perhaps he was speaking with RMS at the time?

 

[Jump]

On another note one look at RMSes political notes or website pretty much proves that even having the right talking points and being down with the right political crowd didn't save him. He got eaten by his own side.

Better archive anything you think is worth saving from his site. Because there is blood in the water.
Going after his domain and host is the next. Because thats SOP for these people now.