Diseased Open Source Software Community - it's about ethics in Code of Conducts

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If you rely on automatic versioning for your libs and only have one source repo that you don't control, you deserve everything that happens to you.

Here's some food for thought: the majority of the world's software running this very second would fail to run if you removed every line of code ever written by a dangerhair out of existence, so respect your own shit, and make sure your dependencies are immutable.
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Are you suggesting I take the Nix pill?
 
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I thought it might be interesting to check in on the progress of the GIMP fork now with added political correctness. And.... Oh. Oh dear.

Despite inheriting a years old code base that compiles and runs cleanly on multiple systems, they've still not even managed to ship a build with some updated branding. Meanwhile, every single file in the codebase still contains the word GIMP dozens of times and good luck fixing that even with the most impressive refactoring tools on the market.

As a bonus, they've been forced to drop Mac OS X support apparently because none of these simpletons can figure out how to type "./configure; make; make install" on an Apple system. Which is unfortunate since I guess Apple using mouth-breathers would be their core audience. Funnily enough, the GIMP project manages to ship up to date builds for OS X by some magic process known only to wizards.

You've got to wonder at the sheer hubris of these people who've never worked on the codebase before coming in and deciding that they know what's best for the project, the mainline is dead because it has the wrong name and that they're now the maintainers. There's so much hubris involved in that that I wonder if it's someone's idea of a short con. They are collecting money, albeit not a lot, for this pathetic excuse for a project.
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Of course the one guy working on it has a picrew icon, and unsurprisingly it has a thread here. Picrew might as well be a troonsona generator.
 
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As a bonus, they've been forced to drop Mac OS X support apparently because none of these simpletons can figure out how to type "./configure; make; make install" on an Apple system. Which is unfortunate since I guess Apple using mouth-breathers would be their core audience.
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no, macfags all use proprietary apple software because it just werks (tm)
all this open source stuff is only popular among pc using tech nerds
 
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Apparently some spicy Stack Exchange meta drama went down. Surprise: it's about diversity and inclusion - CoC related!

The original firing https://judaism.meta.stackexchange....flow-inc-sinat-chinam-and-the-goat-for-azazel
Mods resigning in protest https://meta.stackexchange.com/ques...-is-stack-exchange-still-interested-in-cooper

Stack Overflow mod Robert Harvey resigns (so it shows up in Hot Meta on the main site) https://meta.stackoverflow.com/ques...all-stack-exchange-sites-effective-today?cb=1

When you get your fefes hurt at Stack Overflow, leave a vague implication, delete comments and justify it with a CoC. It's Sara Chipps again! (my previous post)
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I'm resigning as a moderator from all Stack Exchange sites

I'm resigning as a moderator from all Stack Exchange sites, effective today. I didn't make this decision lightly, frivolously or suddenly. A persistent pattern of corporate missteps, and a monume...
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Stack Overflow has had so much drama over the years I'm tempted to say it's worth its own community watch.
 
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Norvic said:
I thought it might be interesting to check in on the progress of the GIMP fork now with added political correctness. And.... Oh. Oh dear.

Despite inheriting a years old code base that compiles and runs cleanly on multiple systems, they've still not even managed to ship a build with some updated branding. Meanwhile, every single file in the codebase still contains the word GIMP dozens of times and good luck fixing that even with the most impressive refactoring tools on the market.

As a bonus, they've been forced to drop Mac OS X support apparently because none of these simpletons can figure out how to type "./configure; make; make install" on an Apple system. Which is unfortunate since I guess Apple using mouth-breathers would be their core audience. Funnily enough, the GIMP project manages to ship up to date builds for OS X by some magic process known only to wizards.

You've got to wonder at the sheer hubris of these people who've never worked on the codebase before coming in and deciding that they know what's best for the project, the mainline is dead because it has the wrong name and that they're now the maintainers. There's so much hubris involved in that that I wonder if it's someone's idea of a short con. They are collecting money, albeit not a lot, for this pathetic excuse for a project.
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And this is why you don't hire troons to code.
 
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Lord of the Large Pants said:
... are you sure anyone would even notice if that happened?
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Man, I've never seen anyone get as dunked on on their own platform as Sara Chips. Imagine if Steve Altman on Reddit's most popular post had only 6 upvotes, and his worst was -600, same for lowtax, or anyone else. Null has a community that enjoys joking about him deserving to die, and is still vastly more popular on KF than Sara Chipps is on SO. No wonder she has panic attacks at the very thought of talking to her community. How the hell did she end up as the director of Q&A?

edit: looks like the daemon lurking beneath the surface for all of this drama was pronoun enforcement, because of course it was. Moderator of Christianity explains: https://christianity.meta.stackexchange.com/questions/6718/brothers-i-must-go
 
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software said:
Man, I've never seen anyone get as dunked on on their own platform as Sara Chips. Imagine if Steve Altman on Reddit's most popular post had only 6 upvotes, and his worst was -600, same for lowtax, or anyone else. Null has a community that enjoys joking about him deserving to die, and is still vastly more popular on KF than Sara Chipps is on SO. No wonder she has panic attacks at the very thought of talking to her community. How the hell did she end up as the director of Q&A?

edit: looks like the daemon lurking beneath the surface for all of this drama was pronoun enforcement, because of course it was. Moderator of Christianity explains: https://christianity.meta.stackexchange.com/questions/6718/brothers-i-must-go
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I like the cut of this Caleb guy's jib. Very straightforward. A shame, of course, what's happening, but hey, socjus means never having to say sorry and instead saying, 'FUCK YOU SHITLORDS!'.
 
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This shit happens because the children of the 80s and especially the 90s were thought that everything whatsoever is a-ok. You literally could never be wrong, no matter who you were and no matter what you did. Because you were special the way you are. It was very naive. Now they think they have a right to their spaces and to not-comform by the virtue of being born into this world and are objectively and fundamentally right with whatever brainfart ideology they thought up in their echo chamber, instead of even attempting to find consent with a bigger society at large who doesn't even encoruage them anymore to conform or even punishes them anymore for being outliers nor encourages them to build communities where debate and disagreement even exists because they never learned to deal with such things. (or were being told that they don't have to) We basically raised extremists and gave a lot of very rotten people a lot of ins to ruin things for other people.
 
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This shit happens because the children of the 80s and especially the 90s were thought that everything whatsoever is a-ok. You literally could never be wrong, no matter who you were and no matter what you did. Because you were special the way you are. It was very naive. Now they think they have a right to their spaces and to not-comform by the virtue of being born into this world and are objectively and fundamentally right with whatever brainfart ideology they thought up in their echo chamber, instead of even attempting to find consent with a bigger society at large who doesn't even encoruage them anymore to conform or even punishes them anymore for being outliers nor encourages them to build communities where debate and disagreement even exists because they never learned to deal with such things. (or were being told that they don't have to) We basically raised extremists and gave a lot of very rotten people a lot of ins to ruin things for other people.
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I've heard the term "Generation Barney" thrown about a lot in the past. I think that's a good descriptor of this phenomena.

Also I wish I had a semper fedelis reaction for that ex-mod of the christian discussion board 👌
 
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AmpleApricots said:
This shit happens because the children of the 80s and especially the 90s were thought that everything whatsoever is a-ok. You literally could never be wrong, no matter who you were and no matter what you did. Because you were special the way you are.
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Simply a progression of an ongoing decline. The 'flower children' were the same, but less so. 'Flappers' in the 20s presaged this. This is how civilisations die.
 
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This is off topic but Jonathon Haidt's new book 'The coddling of the American mind' is a great read if you are interested in the damage that is done to one's' mind if from birth to your early twenties, you are shielded and protected by your parents and environment from even the smallest bit of suffering or pain. His points are exactly in line with a lot of observations in this thread, from a psychology perspective. Haidt also has some dumb ideas in the book though, like making social media minimum age be 16 and stripping away anonymity on social platforms. He seems to hold social media in contempt in general, he just has the wrong solutions.
 
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StackOverflow IS IMPLODING
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StackOverflow fired a popular female Jewish mod, Monica Cellio, a Torah scholar and otherwise a liberal, for asking (concerning a future, not yet effective, girldick-fellating version of their CoC) whether she could use gender-neutral constructs to refer to a hypothetical genderspecial user in the third person without using the pronoun "they". It didn't go well. 18 mods have officially resigned and more have quit cold turkey.

Her:
The policy is an update to the Code of Conduct that requires us to use people's preferred pronouns (when known). What was posted in the TL wasn't polished language; I assume they're working on that. I completely agree that it is rude to call people what they don't want to be called; knowingly misgendering someone is not ok. But the policy was about positive, not negative, use of pronouns. I pointed out that as a professional writer I, by training, write in a gender-neutral way specifically to avoid gender landmines, and sought clarification that this would continue to be ok. To my surprise, other moderators in the room said that not using (third-person singular) pronouns at all is misgendering. The employee never clarified, and this is one of the questions I asked in email. In my email I said clearly that I'm on board with "use preferred pronouns when using pronouns", but from the fact that they fired me without warning (or answering the question), I conclude that that's not the policy. I haven't seen an actual policy, though I am being accused of violating it.
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A Christian bro, in solidarity:
What changed is this: now it isn't enough just to avoid being rude to people you disagree with, the new policy forces us to positively affirm the other parties' position. Even disengaging was specifically ruled out as an allowable solution since that would be discrimination and potentially "hurtful". That avoidance of potentially compromising scenarios is not allowed has been directly affirmed by staff members several times.

If person A comes along and demands that I refer to them by their "preferred pronoun" (even if it is a mismatch for their genetic sex or the grammar of the language being spoken) and I refuse, that's considered an insult. Now, SE staff's enforced interpretation is that if I deliberately avoid pronouns altogether, whether by carefully avoiding sentences that even need pronouns at all or by sticking to proper names or by disengaging from the individual — those are all being considered insults too if the other party says they are insulted.
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A "we're sorry that you were offended" apology where SO refer to firing her right before she had to go offline for the High Holy Days as "shipping on a Friday".
We learned (or were painfully reminded, rather) to never ship at 6 PM (EDT) on a Friday. We didn’t follow that rule last week and as a result there was a lot of confusion over the weekend. Even more, this weekend was a religious holiday observed by many on the site. We’re sorry for the confusion and uneasiness that caused.
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Page 2, in which a horrortroon moans and gets downvoted:
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An Update to our Community and an Apology - Meta Stack Exchange

archived 4 Oct 2019 10:55:47 UTC
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The rationale and the argument against why the singular they was not going to be used and it was a flat out refusal, it was posted in the Teams Moderator groups and it was heavily supported. This flat out refusal and the support of it made some people feel rejected and overlooked. Like their life experiences and struggle didn't matter.
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The list:
The following mods have been fired or resigned in protest over the way this was handled:


  1. fired: Monica Cellio on Judaism, The Workplace, Worldbuilding, Writing, Beer Wine & Spirits, and Meta Stack Exchange (provides background)
  2. resigned: Gilles on Computer Science, French, and Emacs (provides background)
  3. resigned: Snow on The Workplace (later requested reinstatement, not yet confirmed by SE)
  4. resigned: Jane S on The Workplace
  5. resigned: Dennis on Code Golf
  6. resigned: Brock Adams aka Awesome Poodles on Stack Apps
  7. resigned: Robert Harvey on Software Engineering and Stack Overflow
  8. resigned: GlenH7 on Engineering and Software Engineering
  9. resigned: Nathaniel on Christianity and Latin Language.
  10. resigned: Caleb on Christianity and Biblical Hermeneutics (provides background)
  11. resigned: anonymous2 on Internet of Things
  12. resigned: Mister Positive on The Workplace (later requested reinstatement, not yet confirmed by SE)
  13. resigned: Ed Cottrell on Stack Overflow and Ebooks
  14. resigned: DoMiNeLa10 on Emacs
    (only one moderator left on Emacs)
  15. resigned: a CVn on Worldbuilding and Writing
  16. resigned: Neil Fein on Writing
  17. resigned: Glen_b on Cross Validated
  18. resigned: Martin Tournoij on Vi and Vim

Additionally, others have taken other actions:


  1. suspended activity: Paul White on Database Administrators
  2. suspended activity: James on Worldbuilding
  3. suspended activity: HDE 226868 on Worldbuilding, Astronomy, History of Science & Mathematics, and Mythology & Folklore
  4. suspended activity: Rand al'Thor on Science Fiction & Fantasy
  5. suspended activity: fedorqui on Spanish Language
  6. suspended activity: Null on Science Fiction & Fantasy
  7. stopped activity before new election ends: Tensibai on DevOps
  8. taking a break user9161 on English Language Learners
  9. suspended activity: Rory Alsop / Doktor Mayhem on Information Security, Music, Parenting, The Great Outdoors, Sound Design, and Video Production
  10. suspended activity: terdon on Unix & Linux, Ask Ubuntu, and Bioinformatics
  11. suspended activity: anongoodnurse on Parenting
  12. suspended non-critical activity: AviD on Information Security
  13. suspended non-urgent activity: Anton Menshov on Computational Science
  14. suspended activity: Diego on Spanish Language
    (only one moderator active on Spanish Language)
  15. suspended non-urgent activity: Thomas Owens on Software Engineering
  16. suspended activity: Kevin on Science Fiction & Fantasy and The Great Outdoors
    (only one moderator active on The Great Outdoors and Science Fiction & Fantasy)
  17. taking a leave of absence: Cyn on Writing
    (no active moderators left on Writing)
  18. suspended activity: Xander on Beer, Wine & Spirits
    (only one moderator active on Beer, Wine & Spirits)
  19. suspended activity / resigning soon: Mad Scientist on Skeptics
  20. suspended activity: Sklivvz on Skeptics
  21. suspended activity: jonsca on Web Applications and Chemistry
  22. suspended activity: Hohmannfan on Space Exploration
  23. suspended activity: nicoguaro on Computational Science
    (only one moderator active on Computational Science)
  24. suspended activity: lois6b on Stack Overflow en español
  25. suspended activity: eykanal on Academia

Additional resignations that are related to the incident, but for their own reasons:


  1. resigned: Aza on Literature, worth reading, predates other events
  2. resigned: Journeyman Geek only on Meta, remains a moderator of Super User
  3. resigned: Keelan on Philosophy
  4. resigned: PashaPash on Stack Overflow на русском
  5. resigned: rolfl on Code Review

Finally, some moderators and community projects have written commentary or taken action as a result of the situation:


  1. disappointed: StrongBad on Academia and Expats
  2. declared support for Monica: Cyn / Writing mod team
  3. SOBotics has taken down Reports
  4. disappointed: called2voyage on Space Exploration and Astronomy
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With regards to "additional resignations" and disappointments, Aza is a troon disappointed SO isn't pushing the girldick harder down everyone's throats, rolfl is an ass-kisser afraid of cancel culture, StrongBad is another bbq+ ass-kisser, Cyn is a Jewish bbq+ and Monica's friend, and called2voyage is a lying troon:
@trikly She referred to someone using gender neutral pronouns in an edit to her post as something that is physically nauseating to her. – called2voyage 13 hours ago

Re #2: are you talking about something from the TL discussion on Sep 18 or the teams post that was being discussed there? I certainly don't recall saying anything in TL about nausea, and the teams post was from January so my memories are fuzzier and I no longer have access to check. You are welcome to contact me privately to discuss this; it's not hard to find my contact information. – Monica Cellio 2 hours ago

@MonicaCellio It's not your exact wording. I'll reach out privately. – called2voyage 2 hours ago
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SOBotics is a community open-source project which makes and runs bots for the mods. I don't know what Reports is and why should that be a blow to management as bots use the SO API and the bot code is open-source.
 
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Sorry for getting the thread somewhat off topic. I think this should be in its own thread with relevant replies moved but I'm too lazy (and not knowledgeable enough) to do a proper OP.

r/drama thread with more links: https://www.reddit.com/r/Drama/comments/dbd3sp/stackoverflow_drama_is_at_an_alltime_high/

Interesting link from reddit thread: https://medium.com/@cellio/dear-stack-overflow-we-need-to-talk-13bf3f90204f

And how could I forget Sara Chipp's apology, another in a line of vague PR speak, sitting at a respectable -817 votes? https://meta.stackexchange.com/questions/334248/an-update-to-our-community-and-an-apology?cb=1
(archive.org link when it was locked by Tim Post https://web.archive.org/web/2019100...n-update-to-our-community-and-an-apology?cb=1)
and when stackexchange changed the license of everyone's contributions, possibly illegally? https://meta.stackexchange.com/ques...and-stack-overflow-have-moved-to-cc-by-sa-4-0
 
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