UN Palestinians turn to Suicide Attacks to end Depression - Martyrdom is the best medicine

'Suicide by Israeli' increasingly seen as a way out for troubled Palestinians
Nearly a third of Palestinian attacks on Israel are not motivated by any ideology.

For years, Palestinian labourer Nimr Jamal would make the short daily commute from his West Bank village to an upscale settlement, where he was known as a friendly and conscientious worker who earned the trust of local residents, some of whom he even befriended and invited to his wedding.

Then on Tuesday (26 September), he pulled out a gun at the back entrance to Har Adar, killed three security men and seriously wounded another before he was shot dead himself.

While Israeli and Palestinian officials blamed each other for the shocking shooting, the real story appears to be far more pedestrian: Jamal was despondent over his broken marriage and apparently on a suicide mission.


Israeli and Palestinian experts say there have been dozens of similar cases throughout a two-year spate of violence in which suicidal Palestinians plagued by emotional and psychological issues carried out deadly attacks that only retroactively were cloaked in nationalism to hide the shame of their personal problems.

Out of some 400 Palestinian attacks tracked by Israel since September 2015, about 18% of assailants were driven by personal issues, according to Israel's Shin Bet security agency. Roughly two-thirds of the cases were ideologically motivated, and 15% were driven by unknown factors, the agency said.

A Shin Bet official said these despondent attackers have included the mentally ill, victims of domestic violence, people with economic hardships and women who had "dishonored the family" with sexual indiscretions. The official spoke on condition of anonymity under Shin Bet procedures.

Turning a personal grievance into a nationalist attack carries several advantages. While suicide is frowned upon in Palestinian society, attacks on Israelis, especially West Bank settlers or security forces, enjoy widespread support, and anyone killed in a clash with Israelis is seen as a "martyr". On a practical level, their families are eligible for help from the "martyrs' fund", which provides stipends to relatives of people killed or imprisoned by Israel. The Israelis have long claimed this provides an incentive for Palestinian violence.




"Once again, a murderer sets off in the morning on his own accord, incited by the Palestinian media and authorities, to kill Israelis for one of only two goals he can strive for — either be killed and become a respectable martyr in his community or be imprisoned ... and provide his family decent financial support from Palestinian authorities," Lior Ackerman, a former top Shin Bet official, wrote in the Maariv daily.




In the case of Jamal, a Shin Bet investigation found that the 37-year-old was a troubled man with a history of domestic violence. His wife had recently fled to Jordan to escape his abuse, leaving him behind with their four children. In a note later posted on Facebook, Jamal called himself a bad husband and asked for his wife's forgiveness.




His attack shocked the community of Har Adar, where he was well-known and a welcome visitor in many homes. Har Adar is an upscale town that straddles the boundary with Israel proper, and its population is generally dovish and has good relations with neighbouring Palestinian villages.

"This is a single attacker, one guy who is a psycho, and we don't want to associate him with all the other Palestinian workers who have been coming here peacefully for 30 years," said Chen Filipovitz, the head of Had Adar's local council. "He had problems and he brought his problems to us."




The trend has added to the mystery of the past two years of violence. Unlike previous rounds of fighting that were organised primarily by established militant groups, the current round has been characterised by "lone wolf" assailants acting on their own. Israel accuses Palestinian leaders of inciting the violence, while Palestinians say it's the result of the frustration of living under occupation.

But in a book coming out this week, Palestinian lawmaker Khalida Jarrar said she conducted an informal study in Israeli prisons in which she found that of the 93 women jailed with her, 46 were there as a result of "social oppression".




Jarrar, who spent over a year in prison after being convicted of incitement, details the accounts of 10 who turned to violence because they were forced to marry against their will. Others described a desire to escape sexual harassment, embarrassing divorces and abusive parents.




One 16-year-old girl told Jarrar that her father tormented her mother and made their life miserable. "I couldn't stand it, so I took a knife and went to the checkpoint," she was quoted as saying.

Israel has enacted a policy of demolishing the houses of the attackers' families, claiming it is a deterrent to future attacks.




The military said Wednesday it was already preparing to tear down Jamal's home, and Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu revoked the work permits of his relatives. Some hawkish politicians have advocated even tougher collective measures, such as banning Palestinian entrance into Israel completely, punishing Mahmoud Abbas' Palestinian Authority and launching a massive settlement drive.




But none of that would do much against those already in Israel with permits, or Palestinian residents of east Jerusalem, who have residency rights and freedom of movement in Israel.




Alaa Abu Jamal, a Jerusalem technician for Israel's phone company, rammed his company car into a crowd in October 2015 without notice or apparent motive, killing one Israeli and wounding another. A month later, Raed al-Masalma, an employee of a Tel Aviv restaurant, stabbed two people there.




In the West Bank, where psychological issues are considered taboo, many Palestinians were reticent to discuss the phenomenon because they said it undermined their national cause. In Jamal's village of Beit Surik, most denied he was troubled. The Palestinian Ministry of Prisoners Affairs refused to discuss the issue for the same reason. However, a lawyer who works closely with many inmates agreed to do so anonymously because she did not want to violate the confidence of her clients.




"Many assailants, particularly women, have carried out attacks to escape social problems. It's an honourable escape act since attacking an Israeli officer or settler is seen as the most prestigious action in Palestinian society," she said. "When you attack an Israeli you are a national hero."

http://www.ibtimes.co.uk/suicide-by-israeli-increasingly-seen-way-out-troubled-palestinians-1641196
 
In the issue with Israel v Palestine, even if Jewish immigration booted a bunch of people off their land, responding with terrorism is shitty. It's not inconsistent to be against Palestine in this situation, and you don't need to resort to knuckle dragging racist arguments either.

Except there was no Arab immigration basically no one lived on the land in the 1800s until the late 1880s when Jews started to come back and build back the land then tons of Arabs moved in claiming it was theirs and how they were kangz and it was their land

When semitic supremacist (((Mark Twain))) visited the Holy Land in order to do propaganda for his zionist masters, he described the land like this

Of all the lands there are for dismal scenery, I think Palestine must be the prince. The hills are barren, they are dull of color, they are unpicturesque in shape. The valleys are unsightly deserts fringed with a feeble vegetation that has an expression about it of being sorrowful and despondent. The Dead Sea and the Sea of Galilee sleep in the midst of a vast stretch of hill and plain wherein the eye rests upon no pleasant tint, no striking object, no soft picture dreaming in a purple haze or mottled with the shadows of the clouds. Every outline is harsh, every feature is distinct, there is no perspective—distance works no enchantment here. It is a hopeless, dreary, heart-broken land.

Small shreds and patches of it must be very beautiful in the full flush of spring, however, and all the more beautiful by contrast with the far-reaching desolation that surrounds them on every side. I would like much to see the fringes of the Jordan in spring-time, and Shechem, Esdraelon, Ajalon and the borders of Galilee—but even then these spots would seem mere toy gardens set at wide intervals in the waste of a limitless desolation.

Palestine sits in sackcloth and ashes. Over it broods the spell of a curse that has withered its fields and fettered its energies. Where Sodom and Gomorrah reared their domes and towers, that solemn sea now floods the plain, in whose bitter waters no living thing exists—over whose waveless surface the blistering air hangs motionless and dead—about whose borders nothing grows but weeds, and scattering tufts of cane, and that treacherous fruit that promises refreshment to parching lips, but turns to ashes at the touch. Nazareth is forlorn; about that ford of Jordan where the hosts of Israel entered the Promised Land with songs of rejoicing, one finds only a squalid camp of fantastic Bedouins of the desert; Jericho the accursed, lies a moldering ruin, to-day, even as Joshua’s miracle left it more than three thousand years ago; Bethlehem and Bethany, in their poverty and their humiliation, have nothing about them now to remind one that they once knew the high honor of the Saviour’s presence; the hallowed spot where the shepherds watched their flocks by night, and where the angels sang Peace on earth, good will to men, is untenanted by any living creature, and unblessed by any feature that is pleasant to the eye. Renowned Jerusalem itself, the stateliest name in history, has lost all its ancient grandeur, and is become a pauper village; the riches of Solomon are no longer there to compel the admiration of visiting Oriental queens; the wonderful temple which was the pride and the glory of Israel, is gone, and the Ottoman crescent is lifted above the spot where, on that most memorable day in the annals of the world, they reared the Holy Cross. The noted Sea of Galilee, where Roman fleets once rode at anchor and the disciples of the Saviour sailed in their ships, was long ago deserted by the devotees of war and commerce, and its borders are a silent wilderness; Capernaum is a shapeless ruin; Magdala is the home of beggared Arabs; Bethsaida and Chorazin have vanished from the earth, and the “desert places” round about them where thousands of men once listened to the Saviour’s voice and ate the miraculous bread, sleep in the hush of a solitude that is inhabited only by birds of prey and skulking foxes.



No one was pushed off the land, and even if they had been, Arabs were the invaders not the indigenous inhabitants of the lands. Jews are.
 
You mean like the Arab invasion of Israel, home of the Jews, in 632 and their illegal occupation of the land and oppression of its inhabitants until they were able to mount a counterattack and gain the land back?

Like I said. Ancient history doesn't mean shit to me. If it does to you then I'd expect to see you at the rez hollering about manifest destiny.

That's not the issue though. It's like with war crimes. Even if the other side is doing something completely shitty, you're still responsible for your own shittiness.

In the issue with Israel v Palestine, even if Jewish immigration booted a bunch of people off their land, responding with terrorism is shitty. It's not inconsistent to be against Palestine in this situation, and you don't need to resort to knuckle dragging racist arguments either.

It can quite simply be an objection to terrorism, which is a very common moral perspective.

I agree with your first and third paragraphs. The second is too incomplete.

If I can't smoke, swear, and resort to knuckle-dragging racist arguments I'm fucked.
 
Like I said. Ancient history doesn't mean shit to me. If it does to you then I'd expect to see you at the rez hollering about manifest destiny.

1869 is ancient history? There were barely any arabs (or Jews) who lived on the land and Arabs didn't give a single fuck about it

Muslims claiming that they care about the Temple Mount is the height of hypocrisy and laughable revisionism

Here is what the Dome of the Rock looked like in 1901 when millions of Muslims (and only Muslims) were free to visit

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Don't just focus on the weeds on the ground, look at how the mosque itself is in disrepair. It had been that way for decades. It was a ghost site, ignored completely by Muslims who didn't even bother to clean it or take care of it.

Same year, look how Jews were treating the Western Wall,which is not the holiest site of Judaism

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Everything is kept clean, repaired, accomodations are offered because it is a holy place for Jews. But saying that the Western Wall is the holiest place in Judaism is, in more than a way, akin to saying the hood ornament is the most important part of a BMW. It's just the closest Jews will go to the Temple Mount while in a state of ritual impurity


A few years later: Still in disrepair, not a soul in sight

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Can't even be bothered to remove the wild weeds, much less repair major structural damages. Compare to once again the Western Wall

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Again, clean and populated.


Now Muslims claim that the Western Wall is also theirs and holy to Islam. It started in the 1990s after Arafat (busy getting spitroasted in hell after dying of aids) claimed it was where Mohammed (same) where he tethered his horse Al-Burak (half woman half horse with the tail of a peacock) when he ascended to heaven.

He should have told the Jordanians, because when they were in control of the Western Wall from 1948 to 1967 they used it to dumb garbage and literally used it as a bathroom.

But hey it's unfair right? I mean it was the early 1900s and clearly everyone was super poor but I'm sure that much later they took care of it better, right?

Nope, this is from the 1950s:

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Again, same structural damages that they never bothered to repair for over a hundred years if not more. Still not cleaning the wild herbs sprouting everywhere. Still not a soul going there.

It was in absolutely terrible shape


Third holiest place of Islam? Please.

The truth is that they never cared about it until Jews took back Jerusalem in 1967 and that's when they started to chimp about the mosque and pour money into it. They literally never cared before. In fact when the first Mosque was built they accused the project of being an attempt to Judaize Islam and that Jerusalem had nothing to do with Islam in the first place!

I mean, today they care though, rig-

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they play soccer, riot and hold literal barbecues and play guitar.

What a joke.
 
Time to rack up some more negative ratings with an unpopular opinion. I hate the moral inconsistency so many people show with the Palestinians.

If you use the ancestral homeland argument in Israel, then you better be willing to apply it everywhere else.
If you want all muslims gone, then own it.
If you're a semitic supremacist, don't beat around the bush.

Like I said...Own it.

Also "DEBATE oldTireWater" thread when?

Nah. I suck at debating. But I've said it before: I'm not going to be afraid to voice an unpopular opinion. Echo chambers are unhealthy.
 
Nah. I suck at debating.

Understatement of the century there friendo.

Your debating style comes across like a 6th grader who's really naturally intelligent but has no charisma, and who assumed they didn't need to study the information because they're so smart they can just smart all over the place and they'll be smart and right and smart because of how smart they are. But IWC keeps really consistently curbstomping you with actual information, and is charismatic to boot.
Charisma doesn't mean you're automatically right in a debate, but if you're going up against someone who has a lot and you don't have much, you need to really make sure your facts are tight and your point is solid, otherwise it doesn't matter if you were wrong or right, you just walk away looking like a buffoon. Doubly so when the charmer you're up against is also showing a lot more topical knowledge than you are and manages to stay totally on point in the process.
You can't just keep trying to redefine what the debate really is and shifting the goalposts from middle eastern politics to something something something about intellectual consistency and hypocrisy, as if you're some supreme authority on what's logically consistent and everyone else is struggling to get on your level. You're not Spock. You're oldTireWater. It's okay to be oldTireWater, there's nothing wrong with that, but you're not shaking the chains of the system and punching through the noise of an echo chamber when you perform this poorly. If anything you're strengthening the echo chamber by showing that the opposing side is people who are stumbling while shoddily trying to keep up and obviously misinformed and making conclusions based on what 'felt' right instead of what actually is happening. It has nothing to do with rep, no matter how much you want to come up with justifications for why you aren't making sense, you're just doing it wrong and should stop doing it wrong.

(also Israel is unbelievably patient for spending decades saying "Stop shooting and we'll stop returning fire" when the response is always "We won't stop until we drive you into the sea!" That's just my opinion but eff, that's a pretty chill government considering the position they're in)
 
wut? Cite a source

It was over a decade ago that I read about it. Suicide bombers have to get a blessing from an Imam. Since not all Imams give blessings those that do are known among the community. You kill one Imam and the others that would have given the blessing tend to not because of fear. If the suicide bomber cannot get a blessing he doesn't go to commit his suicide bombing. Suicide bombing by Muslims has to be condoned by one of their religious authorities otherwise they will not be a matyr and go to hell.

You know Boko Haram? They kill Imams who refuse to support them. The Taliban did the same.
 
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It was over a decade ago that I read about it. Suicide bombers have to get a blessing from an Imam. Since not all Imams give blessings those that do are known among the community. You kill one Imam and the others that would have given the blessing tend to not because of fear. If the suicide bomber cannot get a blessing he doesn't go to commit his suicide bombing. Suicide bombing by Muslims has to be condoned by one of their religious authorities otherwise they will not be a matyr and go to hell.

You know Boko Haram? They kill Imams who refuse to support them. The Taliban did the same.
So no source?
 
It's far more base than that for me, Israel is home to all three major world religions and does everything it can to make sure everyone can enjoy it.

That would never happen under Islamic rule.

Or you know that minor problem of there's no such thing as Palestinians. There was a place the Romans called Syria Palestina, and a place the British called Palestine Proper, these people are Egyptian and everyone knows it.
Most "Egyptians" aren't even Egyptians under the same logic most Jews aren't "Israelites," save for Copts and Mizrahi Jews respectively as the closest related groups. Present-day Egyptians and Palestinians are decedents of camel-fucking Arabs from Yemen, and Ashkenazi Jews are decedents of horse-fucking Mongols from present-day Altay in west China.
 
In the end I think the Israel-Palestine situation isn't as black and white as some people make it out to be but fuck Palestinians. Those guys are assholes.
 
So no source?

You know the US has publicly assassinated Imams and other Islamic religious figures right? What makes you sure we ain't doing it with the press not being told about the vast majority?

Also Mullahs tell young children the bombs will not kill them but will only kill Americans. So guess what killing those Mullahs tends to slow down the number of suicide bomb attacks. It is a temporary slowdown if the intel services don't try to find the remaining Mullahs and other islamic religious figures who organize the suicide bombers then remove the blessers from existence. Islam is the cause of suicide bombers and killing the spreaders of the faith is how to deal with it.

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/wor...nwashed-into-believing-they-will-survive.html
 
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You know the US has publicly assassinated Imams and other Islamic religious figures right? What makes we ain't doing it with the press not being told about the vast majority?

Also Mullahs tell young children the bombs will not kill them but will only kill Americans. So guess what killing those Mullahs tends to slow down the number of suicide bomb attacks.

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/wor...nwashed-into-believing-they-will-survive.html
lmao seriously? That's your source. smfh, No I don't know the US has assassinated anyone. That's black ops shit and you don't know either. Hence why it's called black ops. but I'm here to laugh at speds not get into a political debate with a tard.
 
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