Paradox Interactive is starting to talk about "toxicity" on the forums - How long until the banhammer starts swinging?

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How is a faggot Muslim Anarch based out of Copenhagen in Seattle, or do you mean the tabletop; or are they still on Requiem, which no one gives a fuck about? Faggot’s probably Brujah too. Least interesting clan by an order of magnitude.
 
This isn't anything new, they've been doing this for a few years. They cite "toxicity" for any serious fan backlash against shitty gameplay decisions they've made. Stellaris had some nice incidents with this where their devs whined about how no one liked their updates. CK2 would have too, but the worst bullshit Paradox forced in there (the India DLC which literally broke the game since they seemingly never bothered to test it) was a bit before the days you could use buzzwords like "toxicity" and silence vast swathes of people. I know Hearts of Iron 4 had some nice drama too, it looked like shit on release, especially compared to the glorious WWII autism simulator that was HOI3 with all expansions. And don't forget the drama with East vs West (they've memoryholed the thing and it's forbidden to bring it up) and that one EU3 spinoff game (based on a popular mod) they had which likewise was memoryholed. The latter was especially funny considering the lead developer of it was an utter joke himself (he was some Portuguese guy who even after the game was canned made posts insisting it was still happening).

It sucks since I've been a fan of Paradox since old-school Europa Universalis 3 and the original Crusader Kings, but the studio has gone downhill. Their forums are increasingly shit, and their DLC policy is basically "you must wait until the Steam sale" which costs you more than their old expansions did. I guess you'd expect nothing else out of a bunch of current year Swedes, but still. Also I'm forever salty on how Europa Universalis 4 launched as EU3.5 yet downgraded itself afterwards (because who cares about a dynamic economy of goods in a grand strategy game, right?) and made you pay for all the relevant features.

If the Paradox Forums and its community is like what I remember, there could be a good community watch thread. Been a while since I've been there, I know they're doing a spiritual sequel to EU: Rome with Victoria elements, which did look cool. I did see the devs/mods get a bit salty over too many "respectfully disagree" (lol) ratings to some element of the game which blatantly looked like they were going to include it some 10-15 dollar DLC.

And the what the fuck is this shit about "fascism in play"? I bet these dumbfucks don't even remember how Vampire the Masquerade inspired Rod "Vesago" Ferrell to kill people, which everyone sane thought was just the actions of some lunatic who literally argued in court he did it because he was autistic. Their logic with "fascism" is literally Satanic Panic-tier, it reads like what a "Christian alternative" (put out by some megachurch where the pastor is begging for a new private jet/fucking hookers on the side) of some tabletop game would be. What a joke.
 
Yup seriously. The only good thing is that with tabletop, you don't really need new rule-sets. All you have to do is basically find like-minded players. You can also basically just tear out what you don't like and wipe your ass with it. Most people who play don't play on those boards. The problem is just finding people who want to play the game for what it is.

Altering rules for Table Top is really simple and there are so many editions its easy to just go with whatever you want.

And the what the fuck is this shit about "fascism in play"? I bet these dumbfucks don't even remember how Vampire the Masquerade inspired Rod "Vesago" Ferrell to kill people, which everyone sane thought was just the actions of some lunatic who literally argued in court he did it because he was autistic. Their logic with "fascism" is literally Satanic Panic-tier, it reads like what a "Christian alternative" (put out by some megachurch where the pastor is begging for a new private jet/fucking hookers on the side) of some tabletop game would be. What a joke.

Its a meaningless phrase they inserted to virtue signal. Most people aren't even going to new WoD. They're sticking either with Requiem, or Requiem with the old conversion ruleset. New VtmR is really dead.
 
Yup seriously. The only good thing is that with tabletop, you don't really need new rule-sets. All you have to do is basically find like-minded players. You can also basically just tear out what you don't like and wipe your ass with it. Most people who play don't play on those boards. The problem is just finding people who want to play the game for what it is.

Altering rules for Table Top is really simple and there are so many editions its easy to just go with whatever you want.



Its a meaningless phrase they inserted to virtue signal. Most people aren't even going to new WoD. They're sticking either with Requiem, or Requiem with the old conversion ruleset. New VtmR is really dead.


Dating myself, but I actually remember the old "Malkavians are legit fucking insane" rules, and in the hands of a talented player, it was amazing. The new bullshit makes it sound like you can just claim to be triggered by shit, or that you have "internet ptsd" or some equally exceptional shit, and that's good enough
 
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Man, there's a lot of usage of the word "MISOGYNY" in this game about VAMPIRES.
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Dating myself, but I actually remember the old "Malkavians are legit fucking insane" rules, and in the hands of a talented player, it was amazing. The new bullshit makes it sound like you can just claim to be triggered by shit, or that you have "internet ptsd" or some equally exceptional shit, and that's good enough

Yup, its terrible.

Man, there's a lot of usage of the word "MISOGYNY" in this game about VAMPIRES.
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Clan Tremere would have exiled, tortured and killed her ass. No fucking way she lived six hundred years. Also, if she is 600 years old, her values would be NOTHING like the modern day. Nor would she even consider herself female, as that implies she's a human. This is the bio of a fucking 13th gen loser who thinks they can change the clan. She'd be staked in 30 seconds flat. More than likely, she never would have been embraced at all.

If she rejects the structure of the Tremere, then guess what...SHE'S ANTRIBU YOU DUMB FUCKS. THE CAMIRLLA WOULD STAKE HER ASS AND BEHEAD HER. HOW DO YOU NOT KNOW YOUR OWN LO...oh wait, you don't give a fuck about the lore, you just want to virtue signal to your friends. Anyway, if she rejects the way the Tremere do things, she'd be declared antribu. There are no independent Tremere, they do not exist. Non-blood bonded Tremere are automatically hunted down and slaughtered. She'd not only have the clan after her, she'd have the entire Camarilla gunning for her, as they would not want Tremere powers in the hands of rebels and anarchs. Like, the character literally cannot exist alive in any capacity. This is so disgraceful and disgusting to the lore I hope that the book flops.

Also, I don't think this is from 5th edition. Aren't these descriptions from that flop of a book that Paradox had to go all HAM on Onyx Press and basically dissolve White Wolf itself because it effectively killed the product?
 
I got in to VtM as a teenager because I liked the thought of playing as a Nosferatu dressed in rags and bandages tha about the sewer with a pack of rats following in my wake, preying on the helpless as I snivel and pay lip service to the Camarilla.

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I can't imagine the character I played being able to find common ground with goddam Rudi. There is no reason for Rudi to be in a video game about vampires.

I'm going to enjoy the mockery this game is going to invite upon release.
 
I stopped buying anything related to them after the one-two punch of "Let's hide essential game features behind DLCs! ... Whoops, now we can't develop the game properly because we paywalled essential features... Here's another $20 cosmetic DLC instead!" combined with their constant need to virtue signal and talk down to their playerbase.

Here's a gem from after the NZ shooting: https://www.reddit.com/r/eu4/comments/b1dzly/lets_take_our_good_name_back_we_need_to_talk/ (https://archive.fo/SW9jk)

In typical, "let's have a conversation" style, they shadowbanned and deleted comments from a shit ton of people who disagreed with them.
 
I know that when I go to paradox's forums to talk about cities skylines, there's threads riddled with mentions of gamergate, harassing minorities, and white niggers. We obviously need these kinds of restrictions.
 
This isn't anything new, they've been doing this for a few years. They cite "toxicity" for any serious fan backlash against shitty gameplay decisions they've made. Stellaris had some nice incidents with this where their devs whined about how no one liked their updates. CK2 would have too, but the worst bullshit Paradox forced in there (the India DLC which literally broke the game since they seemingly never bothered to test it) was a bit before the days you could use buzzwords like "toxicity" and silence vast swathes of people. I know Hearts of Iron 4 had some nice drama too, it looked like shit on release, especially compared to the glorious WWII autism simulator that was HOI3 with all expansions. And don't forget the drama with East vs West (they've memoryholed the thing and it's forbidden to bring it up) and that one EU3 spinoff game (based on a popular mod) they had which likewise was memoryholed. The latter was especially funny considering the lead developer of it was an utter joke himself (he was some Portuguese guy who even after the game was canned made posts insisting it was still happening).

It sucks since I've been a fan of Paradox since old-school Europa Universalis 3 and the original Crusader Kings, but the studio has gone downhill. Their forums are increasingly shit, and their DLC policy is basically "you must wait until the Steam sale" which costs you more than their old expansions did. I guess you'd expect nothing else out of a bunch of current year Swedes, but still. Also I'm forever salty on how Europa Universalis 4 launched as EU3.5 yet downgraded itself afterwards (because who cares about a dynamic economy of goods in a grand strategy game, right?) and made you pay for all the relevant features.

If the Paradox Forums and its community is like what I remember, there could be a good community watch thread. Been a while since I've been there, I know they're doing a spiritual sequel to EU: Rome with Victoria elements, which did look cool. I did see the devs/mods get a bit salty over too many "respectfully disagree" (lol) ratings to some element of the game which blatantly looked like they were going to include it some 10-15 dollar DLC.

And the what the fuck is this shit about "fascism in play"? I bet these dumbfucks don't even remember how Vampire the Masquerade inspired Rod "Vesago" Ferrell to kill people, which everyone sane thought was just the actions of some lunatic who literally argued in court he did it because he was autistic. Their logic with "fascism" is literally Satanic Panic-tier, it reads like what a "Christian alternative" (put out by some megachurch where the pastor is begging for a new private jet/fucking hookers on the side) of some tabletop game would be. What a joke.

To be fair, Rod Ferrell wasn't diagnosed with autism until after he was convicted (or at least the diagnosis wasn't really public until afterwards) and IIRC, his defense tried to plead schizophrenia instead of autism.

Otherwise, you are spot on.

Vampire: The Masquerade going "woke" with stuff like V5 and the new Bloodlines 2 is pretty much the 2010's equivalent of TSR taking demons, devils, and the assassin class out of AD&D 2E to appease the church ladies and soccer moms who claimed D&D was "Satanic"

And we all know how well that one worked out for TSR....

The main issue with Paradox (and by extension what is left of White Wolf) is that they listen to the extremely vocal SJW minority that is in command of Onyx Path and dominates the WoD fanbase on RPGnet (which is such an SJW cesspit it has a Community Watch thread here on the Farms) and they don't listen to any actual WoD fans because the silent majority of the WoD fandom always get drowned out by the screeching dangerhairs and the handful of old Goth burnouts who went full dangerhair in an attempt to stay "with it"

The old White Wolf Forums was almost as bad as the Onyx Path Forums that succeeded it in terms of echo chambers and the WW writers listening to the loudest vocal minority, although there was less SJW bullshit because it wasn't really in vogue yet.

However, back in the days of the old White Wolf Forums, there were plenty of other dedicated places to discuss World of Darkness (at least the old one from the 90's) so you had a lot more options (unless you were one of the few who liked Requiem and the New WoD) since Masquerade was still fondly remembered by the RPG fandom at the time instead of being the pretentious woke punchline it is today.


Now Onyx Path is the only major discussion space fully dedicated to World of Darkness and while you occasionally see WoD discussed on EN World, The RPG Site, or RPG Pub, it's not the same and those threads are usually few and far between.

To their credit, Onyx Path did keep the WoD license going after CCP gutted White Wolf and then Paradox bought out the IP's and focused on trying to reboot Classic WoD after the surprise success of Vampire: The Masquerade 20th Anniversary Edition.

A lot of people were excited at the news of Paradox buying White Wolf after CCP gutted the company so they could get the IP to an MMO that turned out to be complete vaporware. But it was too good to be true...

The first warning sign was probably Martin Ericsson basically admitting that he believed that Requiem was a mistake, which rubbed a lot of people on Onyx Path Forums the wrong way.

Combine that with a bunch of other missteps such as the decision to resume the controversial metaplot after V20 deliberately stayed metaplot neutral and an increased focus on Nordic LARP events in Europe, and a lot of people in both camps were worried.

Then came the point of no return, which was Paradox hiring Zak Sabbath as a freelance artist to do some artwork for an upcoming WoD project. Keep in mind that this was BEFORE he was accused of sexual assault and that he had no creative input at White Wolf/Paradox and was solely doing some artwork. But merely contracting him at all was a mortal sin in the eyes of the woke mobs at Onyx Path because despite Zak being an avowed left-wing feminist (cue the male feminist jokes) he was already persona non grata in the eyes of the SJW's because he disagreed with a transgender mod at RPGnet.

After that, there were smear campaigns (including a furry claiming that the game was a Nazi dog whistle) and Paradox decided to jettison any attempts at reaching out to the old fanbase that kept WoD alive and made the 20th Anniversary books successful.

Instead, Paradox bends over backwards to appeal to the SJW dangerhairs at Onyx Path and V5 turns out to be a horrid flop that pisses off both sides and the infamous Chechnya section in an early supplement kills White Wolf as a company once and for all.

Bloodlines 2 seems to be Paradox attempting a Hail Mary pass at saving the IP but given that they're still trying to appeal to the woke crowd, it's gonna be the final nail in the coffin.
 
That post about "toxicity" is from January of 2018, so you're kinda behind the ball on that one. And judging by the comments in this thread saying that the Paradox forums are still shit, it doesn't seem like that new policy has changed much (or maybe it only applied to the Stellaris subforum where it was posted in).
 
I stopped buying anything related to them after the one-two punch of "Let's hide essential game features behind DLCs! ... Whoops, now we can't develop the game properly because we paywalled essential features... Here's another $20 cosmetic DLC instead!" combined with their constant need to virtue signal and talk down to their playerbase.

Here's a gem from after the NZ shooting: https://www.reddit.com/r/eu4/comments/b1dzly/lets_take_our_good_name_back_we_need_to_talk/ (https://archive.fo/SW9jk)

In typical, "let's have a conversation" style, they shadowbanned and deleted comments from a shit ton of people who disagreed with them.
First time I ever heard that "kebab" was considered racist and not just a joking term for Turks/Muslims (you know, like most other food related terms for ethnicities) was when Paradox Forum mods started threatening people who used it with suspensions and bans. And then a bit after EU4 came out they posted a sticky which warned about the consequences of using the term "kebab", thus putting it on the same level as the stickies in the Hearts of Iron forums which warn about discussing the Holocaust in your threads.

Funny enough, the Stalinist purges are seemingly A-OK with Paradox since if you play the USSR there's literally a button which says "purge the traitors" (which removes from your forces a bunch of generals and admirals along with some politicians you can appoint who historically were purged/shot in a basement) and gives some text about how you're stablizing the motherland. You can do it a few times too, killing/gulaging more and more of your generals/admirals. I don't like to do it at all since I like to have my bro M.N. Tukhachevsky in my forces and I hate running out of random komdivs for my divisions, but it hurts your country in the early stage. Which brings me to my point--the game encourages and rewards you for committing notorious atrocities like the Moscow Show Trials.

Victoria 2 is the best for a Paradox genocide simulator though. Although there isn't a button to do the Armenian genocide or chop hands off the Congolese for not producing enough rubber, you can just sit your army on a country for a few years and watch their population drop (which the game seems to suggest is starvation and occupation violence). It also has Jim Crow, Indian deportations/massacres (there's a button you can press to make the Cherokee/other Indians do the Trail of Tears, and you also get fights with the Sioux and Apache which in time end with you killing a big chunk of them), and best of all, the Scramble for Africa, where you literally get to make niggers stop their traditional way of life and pick more cotton and are rewarded for it. Well, not just cotton (you can make them farm a lot of cash crops), but the event basically says that the local Africans aren't producing enough valuable goods for the colony (since they usually are producing wheat or cattle) and suggests they should be forced to produce more valuable goods, like in real life that caused a bunch of colonial uprisings (and lots of dead Africans) and caused some famines and caused lots of chaos in Africa.

It's amazing how few woke people criticize Paradox. I once saw an article which bitched about Europa Universalis promotes colonialism (sure does, since you're rewarded for it), and called out how "Attack Natives" (basically send an army to a colonial province and kill a bunch of Injuns/whoever to remove the chance of natives fucking with your colony) is awful. But there's not a lot like that out there it seems.
That post about "toxicity" is from January of 2018, so you're kinda behind the ball on that one. And judging by the comments in this thread saying that the Paradox forums are still shit, it doesn't seem like that new policy has changed much (or maybe it only applied to the Stellaris subforum where it was posted in).
Not just Stellaris. Just post about how you think Wiz/whoever is behind shit design choices and the games are now crap for balancing based on multiplayer, and keep pushing the point when local shills shout you down.
 
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