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Take for example, HoI IV. In their USA tree update you need to wait until the 1936 election to swap to Alf Landon and then pay 150 pp as part of the Return to the Gold Standard focus while receiving nothing in compensation in order to do anything remotely right wing, and naturally you do so under the wings of what was basically the 1930's version of Mitt Romney.
America is such a boring, vanilla ice cream play of HOI4. It's not just that their political implementation is diabolically bad; but the naval system, and convoying, and relations with other Americas nations all contribute to make it the dullest nation you can play. It's like playing democratic Germany.
 
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America is such a boring, vanilla ice cream play of HOI4. It's not just that their political implementation is diabolically bad; but the naval system, and convoying, and relations with other Americas nations all contribute to make it the dullest nation you can play. It's like playing democratic Germany.
Worse because you don't get the fun little civil war DEM. Germany has.
 
Might be a little polit sperg of me, but I feel like their lack of nuance on Vic III and HoI4 might have something to do with Sweeden and the western world in general being stuck in something of a dark age of neo-liberalism and them not having the background of those historical eras properly in mind and afraid to research it out of the common "pop-history" interpretations of it. They got bullied by the usual suspects for having Deus Vult as a thing in CKII when CKIII was announced and some normies noticed, and the audience has a lot of crossover with polit spergs who are maybe too committed to realism to be comfortable to have as a audience (I do remember someone asking in a HoI4 Q&A a while back, either before launch or just after, about weather or not the Holocaust would be a mechanic which is absolutely hilarious if true and not me misremembering, but you can imagine what sort of PR nightmare that could be)

For example, Alf Landon as the only alternative to Rosvelt is a massive fuck up by any honest simulation of the era because it assumes that the ENTIRE year of 1936 has gone without any changes. And that simply cannot happen in a HoI4 game because both the NKVD and MI6 were fucking around hard with the USA and their political system, with the German American Bund having a side gig as well and the America First movement doing a lot of work. There is documentation out there that indicates that the British used covert ops to sabotage the Republican primaries so that Landon would get it because that meant that no matter what the USA voted on they would at least stay friendly towards the Anglosphere and not return to isolationism. FDR had a bunch of literal USSR agents in his administration like Laurence Duggan, Alger Hiss and Harry Dexter White in high places in his admin which was a disaster waiting to happen. The potential for play alone here of juggling so many cloaks and daggers in 1930's D.C. for a player should be far more engaging than the stupid senate and house system they have where you can LARP as what FDR wanted to do and just bribe everyone into doing what he wants and fuck the electorate and the american public.

Similarly they fail to properly capture the Victorian era in Vicky with the failure to understand just how different the world was and how quickly things changed around in the 19th century from absolute monarchies towards the modern systems of democracy. They forget to account for the fact serfdom was so widespread in Europe and how different the mechanics of the USA having so many free citizens even if they still had a slave population were, how the British were quite unusual in their agreements and parliament as a side effect of the English Civil War and the involvement with Napoleon and coalitions, the state of Russia and the Turks, the downright anachronism and developer buffing of commies and leftist movements in general and so on.

EU4 I feel somewhat avoids this pitfall because most of the history it deals with is "too old" and as such no longer causes controversies outside of angry nerds or academics. I am unusure if CKIII has a similar deal going on though, since I don't play it.
 
serfdom was so widespread in Europe
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Will point out that even freed serfs were still landless peasants and in many cases still tied to the land through various binding contracts, mostly because they had zero legal protections and they still needed to farm to eat. Hell, Russia even taxed its freed serfs to pay their nobles for their liberation. Its why land reform was such a big deal, since it meant that instead of tilling unowned land in shit conditions they could outright own the land their family had been farming for quite possibly centuries instead of being just a renter or sharecropper in economic servitude to the owner.
 
By territory it might not have been that widespread, but in terms of population a lot of people were still serfs by the start date of Vicky. The 1848 revolutions were a pretty big deal and the emancipation of serfs a big move in Russia. Still, this does show how complicated the situation and setting is. They don't realize how complicated the political situation of the average european was back then that couldn't be neatly simulated with just one type of pop.
 

"One of the worst optimised games we've ever tested" :story:
It's funny seeing some of the videos of people playing. A channel I watch that usually does CA/Paradox games did a video that wasn't even 4 minutes long. Just a total slideshow, stuttering frames and some extremely ugly character models, he was super disappointed. It has me curious what kind of videos the usual shills might be doing. Like, how do you try to talk up a city builder that can't even manage 20 fps when you're scrolling through the city? Was there some massive push for Paradox to get this out this financial quarter or before the holiday season? Suits' decisions seem so inscrutable with this shit.
 
My biggest gripe about HOI4's USA is that the fascist path is what unlocks the Confederacy and that's ridiculous. The Confederacy should have been the non-aligned path, and non-aligned should have been renamed "Reactionary" because that's what they use it for, stupid meme shit about restoring empires. In America there is no monarchist tradition. There is no way that you can possibly get a native monarchism in the US by that point. The Confederacy is the closest fit for a reactionary path.

But conflating the CSA (a very decentralized federal republic based around a regional nationalism) with fascism (totalitarian authoritarian nationalism), and imagining the North would adopt it, is batshit crazy, lazy and childish. Using Confederate imagery, yes, basing the whole national identity around it, fuck no. I think they should have done the CSA as a revolter if you force desegregation, but it shouldn't have been the main US fascist faction.

Who should have been? I don't know. The Ku Klux Klan was the closest thing to a genuine successful fascist movement, it just happened to emerge and die right at the start of fascism itself. Don't know if it had any juice to come back in the 1930s. The Bund and Silver Legion and all that other nonsense were jokes. I don't think Catholic Father Coughlin could have carried the nation. I think the Business Plot was complete moonshine but it would work, sure. I think the best route would have maybe been not having an actual full-on fascist faction but instead having something like a more regular Right-wing junta headed by MacArthur or something.

That maybe would have been a good way to do the Left, too, FDR just gets his way and becomes a de facto dictator.

This goes back to the issue of start dates again. Move it a few years back and you can have Huey Long as sort of an American Peronist. Move it back to the 1920s and you can actually use things like the Klan and Blair Mountain as bases for Fascist/Communist takeovers. America's political instability and psychopathic nuttery was a 1920s thing, we'd solved it by the 1930s outside of some asshole prancing in uniforms. It was Europe that went wrong in the 1930s. But the same goes for Japan too, didn't Japanese democracy fall apart in the 1920s?

A start date in 1918/1919, if there was peacetime mechanics to go with it, lets you have enough time to plausibly set up whatever you want to. If you want to be democratic Germany, don't let the Nazis take power in the first place. If you want to be Rightist Russia then go win the Civil War. Also fuck Paradox for not including the Greens, Blacks, and Republicans in their Russia DLC the cheap hacks.
 
By territory it might not have been that widespread, but in terms of population a lot of people were still serfs by the start date of Vicky. The 1848 revolutions were a pretty big deal and the emancipation of serfs a big move in Russia. Still, this does show how complicated the situation and setting is. They don't realize how complicated the political situation of the average european was back then that couldn't be neatly simulated with just one type of pop.
Oh boy, the 1848 Revolutions. A big deal for more than just Europe, too. After they failed I'll give all you Kiwis one guess where the participants ended up.

Hint: Abolition went from a serious issue to a REALLY SERIOUS ISSUE in a certain country starting around 1850 or so.
 
Oh boy, the 1848 Revolutions. A big deal for more than just Europe, too. After they failed I'll give all you Kiwis one guess where the participants ended up.

Hint: Abolition went from a serious issue to a REALLY SERIOUS ISSUE in a certain country starting around 1850 or so.
Not rhetorical: did Yiddish/Ashkenazi immigrants play a large role in abolitionism?

I know - and you've probably seen me ramble about this before so I'm trying to keep it brief - that there were three mass migrations of Jews, Sephardim to the colonial South, Ashkenazim of Central Europe in mid-1800s America to the North, and then Ashkenazim of Eastern Europe in late-1800s/early-1900s to New York and other major cities. The first was pro-slavery (slave traders) and melted into Southern society, the second were to my knowledge just like other Germans and melted into Northern society, the last one was absolutely noxious, formed its own ghettoes, and almost all Communist activity or other subversive horseshit comes from them. Specifically ones from places once ruled by the Russian Empire.

That middle migration is the one I know the least about. Everything I've seen to do with abolitionism has been rooted in ethnic Yankees (except for tokens here and there, like the Lowcountry Grimkes) since nobody else in the country really gave a shit.
 
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I wouldn't be surprised if there was a jewish element to abolitionism getting a massive traction in the 1850's USA, but I would wager the reason might be different from what most /pol/ types would think: jewish infighting.

A bunch of big name slave holders and big movers in the south were Jewish, and the institution of slavery had much jewish influence going back centuries with conversos from Iberia who took up slave trading. I wouldn't be surprised if the newly arrived jewish immigrants from Europe saw their "brothers" in the USA doing to blacks what they had suffered as serfs and indentured slaves and flipped their shit.

I do know there was a bunch of Irish who had come over and fought for the Union as they felt particularly strongly about the idea of people being ruled over by overly polite speaking protestant land owners.

Another funny crossover from the 1848 shitshow is that Garibaldi, the Italian Unifier hypebeast, actually got his first military experience in land war in Brazil along with a wife.

Do you guys see what I mean about the historical context being far, FAR more complex that the simple "quick notes" most people know about the 19th century? EU4 actually plays into this whole autismo and has had entire regions reworked according to historical research. HoI4 has nothing like that, with even the historical paths for nations being woefully inappropriate and badly put together in historical terms and the alt-history ones being similarly garbage most of the time.
 
I wouldn't be surprised if there was a jewish element to abolitionism getting a massive traction in the 1850's USA, but I would wager the reason might be different from what most /pol/ types would think: jewish infighting.

A bunch of big name slave holders and big movers in the south were Jewish, and the institution of slavery had much jewish influence going back centuries with conversos from Iberia who took up slave trading. I wouldn't be surprised if the newly arrived jewish immigrants from Europe saw their "brothers" in the USA doing to blacks what they had suffered as serfs and indentured slaves and flipped their shit.

I do know there was a bunch of Irish who had come over and fought for the Union as they felt particularly strongly about the idea of people being ruled over by overly polite speaking protestant land owners.

Another funny crossover from the 1848 shitshow is that Garibaldi, the Italian Unifier hypebeast, actually got his first military experience in land war in Brazil along with a wife.

Do you guys see what I mean about the historical context being far, FAR more complex that the simple "quick notes" most people know about the 19th century? EU4 actually plays into this whole autismo and has had entire regions reworked according to historical research. HoI4 has nothing like that, with even the historical paths for nations being woefully inappropriate and badly put together in historical terms and the alt-history ones being similarly garbage most of the time.
Garibaldi also offered to be Lincoln's supreme commander.
 
Not rhetorical: did Yiddish/Ashkenazi immigrants play a large role in abolitionism?

I know - and you've probably seen me ramble about this before so I'm trying to keep it brief - that there were three mass migrations of Jews, Sephardim to the colonial South, Ashkenazim of Central Europe in mid-1800s America to the North, and then Ashkenazim of Eastern Europe in late-1800s/early-1900s to New York and other major cities. The first was pro-slavery (slave traders) and melted into Southern society, the second were to my knowledge just like other Germans and melted into Northern society, the last one was absolutely noxious, formed its own ghettoes, and almost all Communist activity or other subversive horseshit comes from them. Specifically ones from places once ruled by the Russian Empire.

That middle migration is the one I know the least about. Everything I've seen to do with abolitionism has been rooted in ethnic Yankees (except for tokens here and there, like the Lowcountry Grimkes) since nobody else in the country really gave a shit.
According to Wikipedia the Forty-Eighters no matter what ethnicity generally leaned Socialist/Progressive, and the Jews were no exception (although at least one Jew recanted his support of Marx once he got to the USA). But as near as I can tell from a quick, lazy look at the page they were no worse than any other group that arrived. That said a lot of the Germans had also been Prussian officers and continued the Prussian traditions von Steuben had initiated, and would fight ably and well (with the notable exception of Siegel) for the North.
 
Cities Skylines 2 is being shit on, currently at 51% positive reviews on steam. It runs like shit even on the best specs. They didn't bother optimising it at all.

I'll admit I was dumb enough to buy on the hype, but I'm not yet retard enough to buy upon launch or, worse, pre-buy.

I had high hopes for the game, but, at the same times, when I started reading the reviews and it was all "Poor performance", "Dumbed down", "Even less content than CS1 vanilla with no DLCs", "Unfinished game to be completed with DLCs, over fifty the base game, fifteen the DLC" I thought "Classic Paradox".

Big CKIII flashbacks.

Paradox, wtf are you doing? I haven't touched EUIV since the leviathan fuckery despite having spent half a month rent in some placeson it, CS1 with just not even half its DLCs is literally unplayable with the best of computers, V3 sucks balls...

What's with the Disney School of Business Management?
 
Paradox, wtf are you doing? I haven't touched EUIV since the leviathan fuckery despite having spent half a month rent in some placeson it, CS1 with just not even half its DLCs is literally unplayable with the best of computers, V3 sucks balls...

What's with the Disney School of Business Management?
Their dev teams are clearly either staggeringly incompetent, or the games simply got "design-by-committees" to death. Probably a mixture of both, to be honest.

It's not like they were sterling stars of programming either, tbh, in the past. Does no one remember how rocky the launch of fucking EU3 was? If nothing else, this is a regression back to form.
 
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Their dev teams are clearly either staggeringly incompetent, or the games simply got "design-by-committees" to death. Probably a mixture of both, to be honest.

It's not like they were sterling stars of programming either, tbh, in the past. Does no one remember how rocky the launch of fucking EU3 was? If nothing else, this is a regression back to form.

Didn't they hire a bunch of diversity hires and moved them to Barcelona so they could slack even more?
 
Didn't they hire a bunch of diversity hires and moved them to Barcelona so they could slack even more?
That's Paradox Tinto, yeah, which from what I remember from last year, is still basically 25-30 people under Johan who are responsible for EU4 (their first release being the incredible Leviathan debacle) and speculated to also be the team working on EU5 (sooner or later.)
 
"Dumbed down", "Even less content than CS1 vanilla with no DLCs"
I pirated the game (in lieu of a demo) and I can say that neither of those are true, unmodded vanilla CS1 is basic as sin and only got popular by riding the coattails of the Simcity 5 until the modding community came in and made it decent. When the game gets a few more rounds of optimisation and gets mod support I'll probably buy it since ain't actually that bad, most of my current issues are with lack of options and asset variety and they'll probably be the first things that the modders will take care of.
 
I've been with Paradox since HoI1 and EU1/2 and their entire shtick was to keep patching their games for years, games that were often utterly broken. So an unplayably broken paradox game on launch isn't really new..They actually used to get a lot respect for that because they had an atypical amount of interaction with the community and the patches were free and it showed that they ~cared~, as it happened around that time when video game developers realized they can deliver unfinished, broken messes and retards will pay for anything if the marketing was just good enough. Then Paradox discovered the money printing power of DLC.

Idk, I just pirate everything now. Everything past small indies is pretty much dead for me in the "you'll ever see my money" department. And for good reason.
 
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