Paradox Studio Thread

[Ughubughughughughughghlug]

Fun fact
The Ottomans banned the PRINTING PRESS.
Let's see Paradox reflect that fact.

I find EU4 Institutions very interesting (though as always better in MEIOU) because they're one of a few mechanics that's actually thoughtful, honest attempt to model how revolutionary technologies diffused and drove long-term growth. Something I recently got to learning was that apparently colonialism and global trade got a huge shot in the arm from the joint-stock company, which was something Islamic societies never developed because they never developed the corporation and they never developed that because the incentive structure under Sharia didn't allow for self-reform (The Long Divergence).

A lot of the railroading institutions for Europe can actually make more sense than having it be a free for all. But Paradox wouldn't allow for a thoughtful depiction of WHY.

One thing I admire about MEIOU and Taxes is that they try (and seem to succeed) at boiling the Reformation down to its basic, underlying reasons for happening, so it's like yeah, you're basically going to get it int he same countries all the time, but it doesn't strictly have to. Institutions should be that way.

 

[General Emílio Médici]

MEIOU and Taxes also makes it so that the Renaissance spawns based on some economic factors doesn't it? So that if north Italy is very rich and prosperous it spawns there but if you fuck around and raze the place in a few wars it will spawn wherever the money and prosperity went.

Also another reason the printing press wasn't as much of a big hit in the Islamic world as it was in Europe was because calligraphy was a big deal in Islam due to nice looking squiggles being considered a art form. Can't do that with printing presses, not unless your are painfully sculpting each word which then defeats most of the purpose of the thing.

 

[WelperHelper99]

Member when Paradox launched a DLC themed around the American Civil War and it was so broken it had Texas as a Union state?

I'm friends with a Texan. He'd beat your fucking teeth in if he heard you say that lol.Paradox is maliciously retarded

 

[Snekposter]

MEIOU and Taxes also makes it so that the Renaissance spawns based on some economic factors doesn't it? So that if north Italy is very rich and prosperous it spawns there but if you fuck around and raze the place in a few wars it will spawn wherever the money and prosperity went.

Also another reason the printing press wasn't as much of a big hit in the Islamic world as it was in Europe was because calligraphy was a big deal in Islam due to nice looking squiggles being considered a art form. Can't do that with printing presses, not unless your are painfully sculpting each word which then defeats most of the purpose of the thing.

Another issue is that due to how the Arabic script works you'd have needed a ton of different blocks to print things 100% accurately. And if you can't print the Koran 100% accurately, nobody in the Islamic world is going to want anything to do with it.

I'm friends with a Texan. He'd beat your fucking teeth in if he heard you say that lol.Paradox is maliciously retarded

Which is funny because Sam Houston of all people was a committed Unionist. He knew what would be coming down the pipeline if Texas joined the Confederacy, and he had no desire for his state to wind up getting run over by it.

Let me tell you what is coming. After the sacrifice of countless millions of treasure and hundreds of thousands of lives, you may win Southern independence if God be not against you, but I doubt it. I tell you that, while I believe with you in the doctrine of states rights, the North is determined to preserve this Union. They are not a fiery, impulsive people as you are, for they live in colder climates. But when they begin to move in a given direction, they move with the steady momentum and perseverance of a mighty avalanche; and what I fear is, they will overwhelm the South.

 

[Xarpho's Return]

Another issue is that due to how the Arabic script works you'd have needed a ton of different blocks to print things 100% accurately. And if you can't print the Koran 100% accurately, nobody in the Islamic world is going to want anything to do with it.

Which is funny because Sam Houston of all people was a committed Unionist. He knew what would be coming down the pipeline if Texas joined the Confederacy, and he had no desire for his state to wind up getting run over by it.

Sam Houston did own slaves, too, but I guess that a "slave-owning unionist" conflicts with the narrative too much. (Not to mention Missouri).

 

[General Emílio Médici]

Another issue is that due to how the Arabic script works you'd have needed a ton of different blocks to print things 100% accurately. And if you can't print the Koran 100% accurately, nobody in the Islamic world is going to want anything to do with it.

This is true. Plays into the calligraphy aspect in fact. Making a Koran that looked aesthetic and fancy was a huge flex and show of faith since you had to be damn good with a brush to manage that. The only way you would get that with a printing press would be if you had a literal sculptor on the job to carve every page at which point you have defeated the purpose of a printing press as a quick way to share information with a movable typeset that was the huge deal.

It makes sense that someone could own slaves but still want to move away from the institution of slavery over time. Washington left orders to free his when he died, and many people were slowly letting go and swapping to freedmen labor over the years. Of course given the fact that the slavery debate has become a de facto religious one in the religion of Progress that makes talking about it objectively almost impossible.

 

[Blackstar]

If only MEIOU ran at a reasonable pace

 

[NvII iS 8ulLt f0R 88C]

Fun fact
The Ottomans banned the PRINTING PRESS.
Let's see Paradox reflect that fact.

I find EU4 Institutions very interesting (though as always better in MEIOU) because they're one of a few mechanics that's actually thoughtful, honest attempt to model how revolutionary technologies diffused and drove long-term growth. Something I recently got to learning was that apparently colonialism and global trade got a huge shot in the arm from the joint-stock company, which was something Islamic societies never developed because they never developed the corporation and they never developed that because the incentive structure under Sharia didn't allow for self-reform (The Long Divergence).

A lot of the railroading institutions for Europe can actually make more sense than having it be a free for all. But Paradox wouldn't allow for a thoughtful depiction of WHY.

One thing I admire about MEIOU and Taxes is that they try (and seem to succeed) at boiling the Reformation down to its basic, underlying reasons for happening, so it's like yeah, you're basically going to get it int he same countries all the time, but it doesn't strictly have to. Institutions should be that way.

to be fair, you get some gay events about it where you can censor it (which ultimately doesn't change anything)

 

[Ughubughughughughughghlug]

to be fair, you get some gay events about it where you can censor it (which ultimately doesn't change anything)

Yeah, that's the sort of thing where that kind of decision should be a massive one that you gear an entire run around (the upside being internal stability if you censor). Like, no Muslim equivalent of a Reformation and wars of religion if you censor.

Did the Muslims have much of a reformation? My understanding is that Wahhabism is their equivalent to Puritanism/evangelicalism/fundamentalism and it came out of the 1700s. Anybody know the historical context of that? Based MEIOU and Taxes has it as an emergent religion. I wouldn't mind Evangelicalism as a late-game religion myself, like a sort of second reformation that spawns in Reformed countries way late on. Game doesn't have Anabaptism to my recollection either, which is a little absurd given some of the other shite it has. Pennsylvania was an Anabaptist state...

 

[Snekposter]

Sam Houston did own slaves, too, but I guess that a "slave-owning unionist" conflicts with the narrative too much. (Not to mention Missouri).

Yep. American politics at the time were... messy, to say the absolute least.

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This is true. Plays into the calligraphy aspect in fact. Making a Koran that looked aesthetic and fancy was a huge flex and show of faith since you had to be damn good with a brush to manage that. The only way you would get that with a printing press would be if you had a literal sculptor on the job to carve every page at which point you have defeated the purpose of a printing press as a quick way to share information with a movable typeset that was the huge deal.

It makes sense that someone could own slaves but still want to move away from the institution of slavery over time. Washington left orders to free his when he died, and many people were slowly letting go and swapping to freedmen labor over the years. Of course given the fact that the slavery debate has become a de facto religious one in the religion of Progress that makes talking about it objectively almost impossible.

Na. It had more to do with the fact you couldn't 100% reproduce the word of Mohammed (PBUH). There are signifiers in the script you'd have to leave off to get it printable, and while it would come out intelligible, you'd also be making your own alterations to the Word of God to make it printable. And considering some Islamic scholars think its haram to even translate the Koran into other languages, hoo boy...

 

[NvII iS 8ulLt f0R 88C]

Anybody know the historical context of that?

The Saudi's allied themselves with wahabbists and grew in the 1700s:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Emirate_of_Diriyah

This dynasty got BTFOd by the Ottomans (and Muhammad Ali) once they grew too strong:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wahhabi_War

>Saudi ruler 'Abdullah ibn Saud was transported first to Cairo and then to Istanbul, wherein he was beheaded alongside several other Wahhabi Imams.[33]
After that, the Ottomans were basically fighting a guerilla war against the Saudis, trying to extinguish them in the desert, until 1914:

Since the Saudis were the enemy of the Ottomans (and were actively trying to take over their holdings in Arabia: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Conquest_of_al-Hasa), the British decided to support them and gave them modern weapons. This allowed them to conquer their enemies, the Rashidis (who were allied to the Ottomans) and Hejaz. So basically Wahabism exists as it is today because of the Saudi support behind it who were supported by the British to weaken the Ottomans.

 

[WelperHelper99]

Which is funny because Sam Houston of all people was a committed Unionist. He knew what would be coming down the pipeline if Texas joined the Confederacy, and he had no desire for his state to wind up getting run over by it.

Really it's a cultural thing I've found. Even if they admit slavery bad, they're bitter over 100 years later because of how close they were to leaving

 

[Ughubughughughughughghlug]

The Saudi's allied themselves with wahabbists and grew in the 1700s:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Emirate_of_Diriyah

This dynasty got BTFOd by the Ottomans (and Muhammad Ali) once they grew too strong:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wahhabi_War

>Saudi ruler 'Abdullah ibn Saud was transported first to Cairo and then to Istanbul, wherein he was beheaded alongside several other Wahhabi Imams.[33]
After that, the Ottomans were basically fighting a guerilla war against the Saudis, trying to extinguish them in the desert, until 1914:
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Since the Saudis were the enemy of the Ottomans (and were actively trying to take over their holdings in Arabia: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Conquest_of_al-Hasa), the British decided to support them and gave them modern weapons. This allowed them to conquer their enemies, the Rashidis (who were allied to the Ottomans) and Hejaz. So basically Wahabism exists as it is today because of the Saudi support behind it who were supported by the British to weaken the Ottomans.

So there is no real social issue or interesting historical process behind it, it's pretty much just ethnic sectarianism?

How did it take off in the mid-1900s? Just because of oil money funding revivalist efforts?

 

[Ughubughughughughughghlug]

Really it's a cultural thing I've found. Even if they admit slavery bad, they're bitter over 100 years later because of how close they were to leaving

It was the only Southern nationalist movement or independent Southern state that existed. Any cultural identity the region has is going to by necessity revolve around, it unlike other countries which have potentially hundreds or thousands of years of conflicts to draw from. And many of which still pick certain things to fixate on (like Bannockburn, or Brian Boru, Charles Martel, El Cid or whatever).

 

[NvII iS 8ulLt f0R 88C]

So there is no real social issue or interesting historical process behind it, it's pretty much just ethnic sectarianism?

How did it take off in the mid-1900s? Just because of oil money funding revivalist efforts?

if you are strictly talking about wahabism, yeah pretty much (the Saudis are much more a family/tribe than a nation). Other extreme sects have a much more interesting history

 

[Rome's rightful successor]

 

[Midwit]

I reopened the thread for this...

 

[Rome's rightful successor]

I reopened the thread for this...

The person on the right in the video, is that a "woman"?

 

[Mr.Miyagi]

Since the thread is sort-of alive again, I'm gonna shill for Anbennar once more and mention that it's had its big 1.36 update with Scions of Sarhal, filling in the map's not-Africa with a whole bunch of new countries, along with revisiting a lot of old nation's mechanics and mission trees, and adding 33 new ones. It's also added a whole bunch of new art assets, which help flesh things out, including some unit models. Even added in achievements, interestingly. I think Paradox is moving into their usual holiday slumber, so getting a big DLC-sized update is pretty nice for content.

 

[Blackstar]

The OpenVic team has published another dev diary.

Tl;dr: They got most of the data loading stuff from Vic 2 finished, and their intention is to make OpenVic 100% compatible (unlike Project Alice, where mods have to make compatibility patches due to the devs deciding not to include certain features or changing how shit works for their own desire, e.g. making pops assimilate to the largest culture in the province no matter what it is, which is fucking retarded.). They're now working on the GUI and mapmodes.

Vic bros, it's looking good for us.