Paradox Studio Thread

[enaR]

Uhh sir, this is a paradox interactive thread.

Which Paradox game would make the best film adaptation?

 

[Mound Dweller]

Which Paradox game would make the best film adaptation?

EU has a pretty good theatre adaptation;

 

[Professor Donger]

Which Paradox game would make the best film adaptation?

Hoi4 from the perspective of troops on the ground, they're going through their regular orders and then suddenly guns start disappearing from one unit, appearing for another unit. Upgraded guns and equipment randomly appear for the troops, the AI does some insane shit for the enemy that the "Player" nation is confused by, the troops see the enemy rushing tanks to the front only to pull them back after like five minutes in combat.

 

[thefreshmaker]

It ain't happening until they rework warfare both naval and land. Building toy factories in glorified cookie clicker menu just ain't enough to keep me interested.

Vicky 3 is never going to be "good" unless they scrap it and release a completely new version from the ground up.

The entire game is fucked because it's based around a gameplay loop which should be automated. Buildings, trade, warefare are the main elements, all are automated to a point where it becomes tedious but no so automated that you ask "what's the point". The Vicky 3 where you don't have busy work is the Vicky 3 where you just watch the AI play it.

 

[Rome's rightful successor]

Which Paradox game would make the best film adaptation?

What about Paradox game mods? What would a Kaiserreich or a TNO movie be like?

 

[enaR]

Vicky 3 where you just watch the AI play it.

So Vic 2 when you do anything besides war or VERY INTERACTIVELY clicking through visual novel railroad events provided by the mods to 'fix' Victoria 2 by just scripting what happens

 

[Ace888Ace]

So Vic 2 when you do anything besides war

And Victoria 3 improves upon this flaw of its predecessor, does it?

 

[thefreshmaker]

So Vic 2 when you do anything besides war or VERY INTERACTIVELY clicking through visual novel railroad events provided by the mods to 'fix' Victoria 2 by just scripting what happens

If you have no understanding of the base mechanics, sure. Paradox can be blamed for their poor tutorials, but the depth is there.

Trade is automated, but there's a very clear strategic sense provided to the player; if you lack power to be high on the list, you get a lower stake in buying goods, if you have a lower stake in buying goods your development is limited. Politically, you are not limited to simply following a chain of land owners until you get literacy, intelligentsia until you get industry, industrialists until you get high development, communists to win the game. Political ideals are shaped by actual conditions, not just "I know how to read therefore I am Marxist". Consciousness can drive any ideology, and militism can drive any extremist group, including liberals or land owners.

Vicky 3 it literally doesn't matter what you do. You can build endless machine tools factories and have exactly 0 iron and all that will happen is a slight malus to efficiency and the cost of goods reaching a price ceiling which you can work around anyway very easily. Try that in Vicky 2 and you'll quickly find your industry completely dead, millions unemployed and rebelling, dropping off the great power ranks, and staring at military production that doesn't move or complete because they physically lack the goods to do it.

Vicky 2 has issues but it isn't fundamentally pointless like Vicky 3 is.

 

[enaR]

You can build endless machine tools factories and have exactly 0 iron and all that will happen is a slight malus to efficiency and the cost of goods reaching a price ceiling which you can work around anyway very easily.

Hasn't played the game award

The building will not hire at all and fire any existing workers because being a peasant is literally more viable

 

[Ughubughughughughughghlug]

EU has a pretty good theatre adaptation;

 

[thefreshmaker]

Hasn't played the game award

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The building will not hire at all and fire any existing workers because being a peasant is literally more viable

Thanks for posting a wiki screengrab that says exactly what I did in more words.

You are capped at -50% throughput maximum. So you can have enough factories to produce 10,000 widgets, and with exactly 0 input resources you are capped at a maximum of 5,000, with a maximum price as well to the goods you need to buy. You can just brute-force past the risks of high-input costs by ignoring it and using the massive profit from an absolute glut of industrial tools produced from aether to subsidize them so they never run into the issues of negative cash flow. The only limiting factor in Vicky 3 is labor, which grows at the pace of a flood of molasses, despite this being the era where population exploded. IRL this is impossible because the price of a good in effectively infinite demand is itself effectively infinite, and you cannot produce steel from no iron, or no resources at all. There is no artificially low cap to prices or artificially produced materials from the void.

Contrast Vicky 2, where you are prevented from producing when you lack inputs. There isn't a piddly shitty modifier spreadsheet change, you just cannot produce anything.

 

[Ughubughughughughughghlug]

I miss the golden age of Paradox doing silly shit like that musical or the live action seven deadly sins commercials instead of the over-produced, "epic" AAA-style stuff they've got now.

 

[Snekposter]

Thanks for posting a wiki screengrab that says exactly what I did in more words.

You are capped at -50% throughput maximum. So you can have enough factories to produce 10,000 widgets, and with exactly 0 input resources you are capped at a maximum of 5,000, with a maximum price as well to the goods you need to buy. You can just brute-force past the risks of high-input costs by ignoring it and using the massive profit from an absolute glut of industrial tools produced from aether to subsidize them so they never run into the issues of negative cash flow. The only limiting factor in Vicky 3 is labor, which grows at the pace of a flood of molasses, despite this being the era where population exploded. IRL this is impossible because the price of a good in effectively infinite demand is itself effectively infinite, and you cannot produce steel from no iron, or no resources at all. There is no artificially low cap to prices or artificially produced materials from the void.

Contrast Vicky 2, where you are prevented from producing when you lack inputs. There isn't a piddly shitty modifier spreadsheet change, you just cannot produce anything.

Man, that reminds me I need to turn off my mod that jacks the penalty up to 90% sometime just for the lols.

 

[enaR]

using the massive profit

I went and tested your theory and it does work for a few months in an ideal scenario where iron is in shortage, wood is at -75%, and tools are in shortage. Once the throughput starts to kick in the building cannot hire until the state and its market are fully depeasanted, in which case people will be hired but they will be paid a wage that gives them an SOL of 1.0. This generates radicals like mad and leads to massive population loss from mortality and emigration. If wood ever becomes more expensive, tools ever stop being in a shortage, or you want to pay your workers enough to not kill your country in a few years, this stops working at all. Driving average wage down is also bad for taxes. I tried pressing the funny subsidize button and its costs for one building would bankrupt my country in a year or two on max taxes. Building more levels starts to drive the price of tools down and it starts costing like 14k a month to subsidize which even great powers don't want to fuck with.

The only limiting factor in Vicky 3 is labor,

Guess what throughput does

 

[thefreshmaker]

I went and tested your theory and it does work for a few months

I'm going to guess you didn't actually do it properly and have a profitable output with a developed economy because all the problems you mentioned are a result of having high input and low output prices.

Guess what throughput does

If we are comparing the series, nothing. You can still produce and produce well if you account for and manipulate the back end. Vicky 2 you would just kill your economy.

 

[enaR]

I'm going to guess you didn't actually do it properly and have a profitable output with a developed economy because all the problems you mentioned are a result of having high input and low output prices.

Tools are in a shortage, i.e. literally the highest output price they can be

 

[Sooty Soot]

If any of you are interested, @GoodWinSon is releasing a fork of old TNO, specifically After Midnight, with patched in cut content and new content, specifically content for Russia post unification in the form of a focus tree during the 2WRW, with unique trees for unifiers like the HRE & Black League among other things like a Heydrich survival path. It'll be up on the workshop soon, more can be found at the TNO thread on CW. Therw's gonna be content for Bormann & Speer for up to 1980 based on his plans.

 

[AspieNextDoor]

I miss Magicka.

Magicka: Wizard Wars (short-lived LoL clone) was great too.

 

[LegoTugboat]

I'll just quickly mention a quick congratulations to Paradox for their amazing quality control of Stellaris 4.0.

It's now had it's 10th hotfix, with 2 more planned for this week, with the chance of others if needed.

And the 4.0 update only launched on the 5th of May, so...

 

[Slur Generator]

I miss Magicka.

Magicka: Wizard Wars (short-lived LoL clone) was great too.

This was a paradox game?
I played this game so much with my friends.