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[1Tonka_Truck]

1. The trolley problem is meant to draw out moral intuitions, and isn't a problem with a "right" or "wrong" answer,

A (supposed) deeply religious person explaining moral relativism to me is not what I was expecting out of this. Also, I never said it was the correct answer, only that it was more reasonable than I was expecting from you.

2. You could start by not telling people explaining their moral and religious principles to you to kill themselves.

I probably have told you to kys before, but you're gonna have to point to where I said it today.


For the record 'pull the lever' is the only correct answer. Attempting to save the one guy is bonus points. Praying for god to save him and nothing else gets you seat with the moral relativists on the trolley going off the short pier.

 

[It's HK-47]

For the record 'pull the lever' is the only correct answer. Attempting to save the one guy is bonus points. Praying for god to save him and nothing else gets you seat with the moral relativists on the trolley going off the short pier.

I always preferred the Shopping Cart Theory, not just because I think it's a much more interesting theory, but because you can actually watch it in action. There are no stakes, there are no risks, there are no rewards and there are no punishments. Will you still do the right thing even if you gain nothing, and no one will care that you did it?

 

[1Tonka_Truck]

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I always preferred the Shopping Cart Theory, not just because I think it's a much more interesting theory, but because you can actually watch it in action. There are no stakes, there are no risks, there are no rewards and there are no punishments. Will you still do the right thing even if you gain nothing, and no one will care that you did it?

I was previously unaware of this bold theory, but will now use the scattered shopping carts in every parking lot to justify my lack of faith.

 

[KimCoppolaAficionado]

A (supposed) deeply religious person explaining moral relativism to me is not what I was expecting out of this. Also, I never said it was the correct answer, only that it was more reasonable than I was expecting from you.


I probably have told you to kys before, but you're gonna have to point to where I said it today.


For the record 'pull the lever' is the only correct answer. Attempting to save the one guy is bonus points. Praying for god to save him and nothing else gets you seat with the moral relativists on the trolley going off the short pier.

1. Faith should not be blind, but should be seated in a deep understanding of one's own reason, emotion, and intuition. I have little but contempt for those who lack understanding of their own beliefs and simply cling to childhood dogma, no matter if that dogma is blind adherence to a church or blind adherence to atheism: they are not truly of that faith, or atheist, but merely repeating what they have been told. I've spent a lot of my time studying world religion and ethics to deepen my understanding, and thus deepen my faith.
2. My position is based off of Aquinas's theory regarding sin, in that both intention and action must be considered. My intent is not to kill the man, and I would act to do everything in my power to prevent his death. If he dies, it is what must be.
3.

Ignoring that isn't an option, Plan A is throw yourself in front of the trolley and hope it stops? Other than the pure hopium-based planning, I agree with the sentiment.

The sentiment being, clearly, "Senior Lexmechanic should throw himself in front of a speeding trolley".
4. Either you have deeply examined your own beliefs and hold them ironclad, or you haven't examined them beyond the most cursory level at all. Given how you seem astonished at the idea that someone can have nuanced, self-examined views, I have little hope for the former.

I was previously unaware of this bold theory, but will now use the scattered shopping carts in every parking lot to justify my lack of faith.

You have scattered your own shopping cart in this very thread. Telling someone who is being polite with you to kill yourself is more than analogous.

 

[1Tonka_Truck]

The sentiment being, clearly, "Senior Lexmechanic should throw himself in front of a speeding trolley".

Did you miss the part where that was a question? As in, "Your Plan A is throw yourself in front of the speeding trolley?" The sentiment, your sentiment, I was agreeing with: self-sacrifice is morally permissible and one of the highest callings.

4. Either you have deeply examined your own beliefs and hold them ironclad, or you haven't examined them beyond the most cursory level at all. Given how you seem astonished at the idea that someone can have nuanced, self-examined views, I have little hope for the former.

What part of no killing is justified is nuanced? I don't want an answer from you. I just want you to examine that position beyond the most cursory level.

 

[Ineedahero]

What is going on in this thread? You mother fuckers are calling moral relativists scum and in the same breath giving lex shit for explicitly following the dictates of his faith regardless of the hit to his social standing. Pick a lane already.

 

[Hollywood Hitler]

Especially since we're still not sure what other damage Covid causes.

I've heard heart damage and infertility are possible .

Also heard that 5G causes COVID and that the Earth is flat, what's your point?

 

[CheezzyMach]

Also heard that 5G causes COVID and that the Earth is flat, what's your point?

...Now I understand why the site owner despises this board and why Hogan doesn't bother being civil to you guys.

 

[Hollywood Hulk Hogan]

...Now I understand why the site owner despises this board and why Hogan doesn't bother being civil to you guys.

You just gotta explain things really slow. These people are not known for being intelligent to 99% of the world's population for a reason. See:

Also heard that 5G causes COVID and that the Earth is flat, what's your point?

There's actual studies that have shown long-term damage from covid. Since you're a Trump supporter, let me explain that studies are things that real scientists (note: not your boomer uncle on Facebook) do to learn more about things that are in their area of research.

 

[Hollywood Hitler]

There's actual studies that have shown long-term damage from covid. Since you're a Trump supporter, let me explain that studies are things that real scientists (note: not your boomer uncle on Facebook) do to learn more about things that are in their area of research.

So those doctors and researchers who got their videos purged from YT, like Dr. Dan Erickson and Dr. Artin Massihi, they weren't "real" scientists?

 

[Hollywood Hulk Hogan]

So those doctors and researchers who got their videos purged from YT, like Dr. Dan Erickson and Dr. Artin Massihi, they weren't "real" scientists?

Well, they're in the vast minority and don't have any actual science behind what they claim. There are quack doctors, too (like Dr Mercola and Dr Oz after he switched to TV instead of being a real surgeon). I know that you want to pretend Trump handled this pandemic well, but the reality is that he really fucked it up. You can admit it and still be a good person. In fact, it takes a real smart and strong person to admit they were wrong. Hell, you can even still support Trump and still admit he fucked it up. To say otherwise is to literally have your head in the sand (or up Trump's ass) in an effort to not see the truth

 

[Hollywood Hitler]

Well, they're in the vast minority and don't have any actual science behind what they claim. There are quack doctors, too (like Dr Mercola and Dr Oz after he switched to TV instead of being a real surgeon). I know that you want to pretend Trump handled this pandemic well, but the reality is that he really fucked it up. You can admit it and still be a good person. In fact, it takes a real smart and strong person to admit they were wrong. Hell, you can even still support Trump and still admit he fucked it up. To say otherwise is to literally have your head in the sand (or up Trump's ass) in an effort to not see the truth

Okay, so they broke away from the dogma, didn't realize science was a religion.

Trump tried to stop the spread and was called a racist for doing so. He decided to leave it up to state governments to enforce their own lockdowns, since they think they they know better. Could you try to read a book on civics, please?

 

[AprilRains]

1. It's how I sound when I talk about these sorts of things. I'll fully acknowledge that I sound like an inbred twit, but it ends up coming out like that.

Have you ever wondered why?

2. If it wasn't for my faith, I would be a very violent person: I have a short temper and take things people say offhandedly more seriously than I should. It is because of that rage, in part, that I am such an ardent pacifist: if I wasn't, I would probably be one of the worst Internet Tough Guys in history.

This is one of the most obnoxious humblebrags I've seen on this site. Your general tone of dramatic self-aggrandizement doesn't convince me of much other than your narcissism.

So for you, refraining from murder is an act of high morality. With me it is merely good manners. You may judge which motive is the more reliable.

3. I was delirious and speaking from a place of ego and rage. I sincerely regret saying that, and this is why I don't mind people using it as a copypasta- it helps me remain humble.

It wouldn't matter if you did mind. A moment of emotional incontinence like that one won't be soon forgotten.

What is going on in this thread? You mother fuckers are calling moral relativists scum and in the same breath giving lex shit for explicitly following the dictates of his faith regardless of the hit to his social standing. Pick a lane already.

One can object to utter moral relativism on the one hand while not endorsing every scheme of absolute morality on the other. How is that hard to understand?

 

[The Pink Panther]

Personally I've never gotten to know what's so good about being a Democrat anyway. Hell, voting in general, but especially for the Dems.

I mean my family votes em, my sister, everyone around me, but I just dont see the hype.

 

[Getting tard comed]

Personally I've never gotten to know what's so good about being a Democrat anyway. Hell, voting in general, but especially for the Dems.

A sense of entitlement, holier than though attitude, smugness for being on the right side of history, and cover/legitimacy for your degeneracy.

 

[Ineedahero]

One can object to utter moral relativism on the one hand while not endorsing every scheme of absolute morality on the other. How is that hard to understand?

Personally I think it's refreshing to see a Christian who doesn't immediately abandon all the tenets of his faith the second someone mocks him for them. I would rather have a hundred believers on my side than a million cowards who go along to get along - even if it is a retarded belief. Also it's usually a massive waste of time to try and convince a Jehovahs witness to abandon his faith. Faith is the only thing that matters to them.

 

[The Pink Panther]

A sense of entitlement, holier than though attitude, smugness for being on the right side of history, and cover/legitimacy for your degeneracy.

I mean it seems to be that way.

Like I know some cringy Repubs around my friend group. They're always joking about the Dems and shit, but they never really seem snide or egotistical. It's always just "lol ur stupid", just like we do on here. And hell if you disagree with them, they take it with stride. They dont fight back.

But the Dems I've seen in my lifetime, oh brother, lemme tell ya. It's like the gospel and if you don't follow the gospel, they really get atcha on the knees. They'll persist and persist until you agree with them and shit. The foggiest thing, ain't it? Sometimes, they're even SUCCESSFUL.

 

[The Pink Panther]

What's even weirder is that the way I talk about these two political parties are like sports teams and shit. Not about actual policy or members, just the fans of the parties and how their behaviors compare.

We attach such an honor to be apart of this political party as we are for football and shit, even moreso nowadays.

 

[Getting tard comed]

Personally I think it's refreshing to see a Christian who doesn't immediately abandon all the tenets of his faith the second someone mocks him for them. I would rather have a hundred believers on my side than a million cowards who go along to get along - even if it is a retarded belief. Also it's usually a massive waste of time to try and convince a Jehovahs witness to abandon his faith. Faith is the only thing that matters to them.

I agree. The problem I have is the insistence that a wrong interpretation is correct and then pushing that on other people and even insulting other people for having a different interpretation.

But if his interpretation helps him "not be a bad, violent" person que cera cera. Nobody is going to convince him otherwise. Kiwifarms is a strange place to moralfag though.

 

[AprilRains]

Personally I think it's refreshing to see a Christian who doesn't immediately abandon all the tenets of his faith the second someone mocks him for them. I would rather have a hundred believers on my side than a million cowards who go along to get along - even if it is a retarded belief.

If I thought his posturing were based in faith rather than narcissism, I...would still disagree with you completely. Whenever I have read the history of the Middle East, for example, I notice that the real horrors were perpetrated by men of principle. Masada was all about true believers living their faith, and the results disgust me utterly. If you can poison your children to stay consistent with your professed beliefs, you may be one hell of a believer, but you're a shitty father.

But how did you miss that Senior Lexmaniac did in fact abandon his alleged beliefs in the face of mockery? Or is it a Christian act to challenge people to fight you and promise to kill them if they take you up on it? If you want to admire men of unswerving principle, feel free, but that ain't SL.

Also it's usually a massive waste of time to try and convince a Jehovahs witness to abandon his faith. Faith is the only thing that matters to them.

I don't see anyone trying to make him abandon his principles. I see people pointing and laughing at a pretentious loon. You know what site this is, right?