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[Marshal Mannerheim]

You're never getting them back, cope and seethe.

Very well.

 

[AnOminous]

I meant the former, of course. And not just war crimes, per se, but also the many, many acts of impromptu retribution meted out by the local populations when liberated by either Soviet or Polish forces. It wasn't even uncommon in the Western Front. As an example, one high-ranking SS officer, particularly known for his cruelty and sadism, died due to what was officially described as "mistreatment", whilst in reality, the French guards let in several Polish officers to have a "chat" with the man.

The Soviets were a bunch of subhuman rapists. There is a reason Germans would fight through 100 miles of Soviets just to surrender to Americans instead.

 

[7he47r0n]

The Soviets were a bunch of subhuman rapists. There is a reason Germans would fight through 100 miles of Soviets just to surrender to Americans instead.

And yet the Germans were stupid enough to fall for every one of Stalin's tricks when it came to international politics. The only time Hitler managed to surprise the Soviets was through Operation Barbarossa, and that was only because the Third Reich was so unprepared for a conflict with the Soviet Union that not a single general or strategist within the Red Army thought the Wehrmacht would be reckless enough to attack them.

 

[Jah Hates Kaffirs]

And yet the Germans were stupid enough to fall for every one of Stalin's tricks when it came to international politics. The only time Hitler managed to surprise the Soviets was through Operation Barbarossa, and that was only because the Third Reich was so unprepared for a conflict with the Soviet Union that not a single general or strategist within the Red Army thought the Wehrmacht would be reckless enough to attack them.

To be fair, part of the reason the Germans got a lot of early gains was the Soviets too were unprepared, at least at the beginning, given Stalin had just taken his general staff, dragged them to court in Moscow, and hung them for an imagined conspiracy.

 

[7he47r0n]

To be fair, part of the reason the Germans got a lot of early gains was the Soviets too were unprepared, at least at the beginning, given Stalin had just taken his general staff, dragged them to court in Moscow, and hung them for an imagined conspiracy.

The Soviet Army was very much prepared - for an offensive into Central and Western Europe. This is why their masses of tanks, mechanised infantry, and planes were parked/stationed right across the border - they were on the cusp of initiating the reverse of Operation Barbarossa. The German High Command was simply extraordinarily lucky to choose the best possible moment to attack - with enough Red Army forces and equipment available for a quick and easy massacre, and additional amounts being en route to the front, and thus also easy pickings for the Luftwaffe and the German blitzkrieg. Also keep in mind that, when an army is preparing to attack, especially one focused on mechanised and armoured elements, they need to concentrate huge numbers in as small as space as possible, in order to better implement the shock of a sudden intrusion.

Unfortunately, Western knowledge about that particular theatre of war is so barebones and warped by their own propaganda, many still believe Stalin was "unprepared for war". Yes, indeed, the poor man was so unprepared he had 10,000 tanks stationed along their border with the Third Reich and its allies.

 

[Jah Hates Kaffirs]

The Soviet Army was very much prepared - for an offensive into Central and Western Europe. This is why their masses of tanks, mechanised infantry, and planes were parked/stationed right across the border - they were on the cusp of initiating the reverse of Operation Barbarossa. The German High Command was simply extraordinarily lucky to choose the best possible moment to attack - with enough Red Army forces and equipment available for a quick and easy massacre, and additional amounts being en route to the front, and thus also easy pickings for the Luftwaffe and the German blitzkrieg. Also keep in mind that, when an army is preparing to attack, especially one focused on mechanised and armoured elements, they need to concentrate huge numbers in as small as space as possible, in order to better implement the shock of a sudden intrusion.

Unfortunately, Western knowledge about that particular theatre of war is so barebones and warped by their own propaganda, many still believe Stalin was "unprepared for war". Yes, indeed, the poor man was so unprepared he had 10,000 tanks stationed along their border with the Third Reich and its allies.

My bad, I might have been thinking about the Winter War there.

 

[Hollywood Hulk Hogan]

If the choice was between Trump or AOC I'd pick the option of neither, but to each their own.

Which is exactly what I said, and yet Cineworld Hulk Hogan used his amazing powers of projection to work out that I must want to suck Trump off.

The whole point of the choice between two people means that you have to pick one or the other. I know it's tough with these kind of things with crippling autism, but that's the whole point of the question. A lot of you apparently would rather fuck Trump than AOC if you had to pick one, and that's cool, but I ain't into obese old conmen.

 

[AnOminous]

The only time Hitler managed to surprise the Soviets was through Operation Barbarossa, and that was only because the Third Reich was so unprepared for a conflict with the Soviet Union that not a single general or strategist within the Red Army thought the Wehrmacht would be reckless enough to attack them.

And yet they still almost managed to lose Leningrad and Stalingrad despite throwing millions of soldiers into these battlegrounds. The "human wave" strategy is shit and only dictators and monsters would use it. Americans never treat our soldiers like disposable cannon fodder.

 

[Dyn]

Americans never treat our soldiers like disposable cannon fodder.

America's also never been in a war they couldn't just walk away from at anytime.

 

[7he47r0n]

And yet they still almost managed to lose Leningrad and Stalingrad despite throwing millions of soldiers into these battlegrounds. The "human wave" strategy is shit and only dictators and monsters would use it. Americans never treat our soldiers like disposable cannon fodder.

Almost every war you've waged past World War II was an exercise in treating your soldiers like disposable meat, since none of them had anything to do with the actual security of the United States or its allies. And I'm afraid you're mistaken in the case of Leningrad - the city was so heavily defended that trying to starve it out in a prolonged siege was the only thing the German High Command agreed made sense, and even that idea was doomed, since the Wehrmacht never managed to sever the supply lines going into the city.

 

[Dyn]

And I'm afraid you're mistaken in the case of Leningrad

I don't think the Soviets even used human wave tactics anywhere throughout WW2, except with penal divisions and pressgangs. From what I understand they had a better organised and more capable army man-for-man than anything on the western front.

 

[7he47r0n]

I don't think the Soviets even used human wave tactics anywhere throughout WW2, except with penal divisions and pressgangs. From what I understand they had a better organised and more capable army man-for-man than anything on the western front.

It depends on the commander in question. When you study Georgy Zhukov, for example, in any closer detail, you'll quickly notice he was very fond of sending assault after assault at the same positions, with a frightening regularity, ensuring maximum casualties amongst his own soldiers. Others, like Rokossowski, had the exact opposite approach. In general, however, you need to remember that the USSR was a place where human life, or dignity, had little to no value.

 

[Jah Hates Kaffirs]

And yet they still almost managed to lose Leningrad and Stalingrad despite throwing millions of soldiers into these battlegrounds. The "human wave" strategy is shit and only dictators and monsters would use it. Americans never treat our soldiers like disposable cannon fodder.

The point of Vietnam was throwing college druggies at North Vietnam repeatedly so Westmoreland's Press Conferences could go smoothly.

 

[Marshal Mannerheim]

America's also never been in a war they couldn't just walk away from at anytime.

The US Civil War would beg to differ.

 

[Techpriest]

And yet they still almost managed to lose Leningrad and Stalingrad despite throwing millions of soldiers into these battlegrounds. The "human wave" strategy is shit and only dictators and monsters would use it. Americans never treat our soldiers like disposable cannon fodder.

They threw bodies at them because they needed to hold them at all costs. Leningrad tied up a good amount of forces, and Stalingrad was the ticket over the Volga and into the last large area of grain production the Soviets had. They could not afford to lose Stalingrad for the same reason the Axis couldn’t just ignore it. It was a rail hub, held a strategic position on the river, had manufacturing capability both sides wanted. As soon as the Soviets decided to stand or die there, the Axis couldn’t just go around without disrupting their entire offensive. They wanted to take it on the March.

Early Soviet tactics resembled human waves for several reasons, chief among them being that there was no real time for anything fancy, they had to counterattack and delay the enemy. Send everyone you can assemble to fight. German accounts of pure human wave offensives should be taken with several grains of salt, as plenty of the memoirs written by German officers and soldiers after the war had a lot of justifications they needed to make to the readers and themselves for doing what they did and for losing.

Also, penal battalions on the Soviet side were both an expedience and a way to create groups of highly motivated soldiers. If you were injured in a penal battalion attack, you were considered “redeemed in blood”, and penal units received a lot of awards and recognition for their conduct. The Soviets by ‘42 were actually outnumbered by the axis forces, and simply couldn’t waste men. The image of men being machine gunned for retreating couldn’t be further from the truth. Blocking detatchments were small groups of men behind the lines with the job of collecting stragglers, lost units, and men who’s units had shattered completely and weren’t sure where to go now. They executed some, of course, but most of the time they shoved a rifle or ammo in your hands, pointed in a direction and said “Go there, join that unit,” if it was a bog standard soldier. Higher ranking officers would be tried and given a chance to explain what the hell happened. Gross misconduct of course meant death, but if your unit shattered despite your best efforts, your men simply couldn’t hold onto an objective, or you ran into enemy forces way outside what you were informed would be there, you’d often be acquitted, or if you were deemed at fault but not egregiously so you’d be reassigned to a penal unit.

Anyway anyone know a good recipe for Alfredo sauce?

 

[Marshal Mannerheim]

They threw bodies at them because they needed to hold them at all costs. Leningrad tied up a good amount of forces, and Stalingrad was the ticket over the Volga and into the last large area of grain production the Soviets had. They could not afford to lose Stalingrad for the same reason the Axis couldn’t just ignore it. It was a rail hub, held a strategic position on the river, had manufacturing capability both sides wanted. As soon as the Soviets decided to stand or die there, the Axis couldn’t just go around without disrupting their entire offensive. They wanted to take it on the March.

Early Soviet tactics resembled human waves for several reasons, chief among them being that there was no real time for anything fancy, they had to counterattack and delay the enemy. Send everyone you can assemble to fight. German accounts of pure human wave offensives should be taken with several grains of salt, as plenty of the memoirs written by German officers and soldiers after the war had a lot of justifications they needed to make to the readers and themselves for doing what they did and for losing.

Also, penal battalions on the Soviet side were both an expedience and a way to create groups of highly motivated soldiers. If you were injured in a penal battalion attack, you were considered “redeemed in blood”, and penal units received a lot of awards and recognition for their conduct. The Soviets by ‘42 were actually outnumbered by the axis forces, and simply couldn’t waste men. The image of men being machine gunned for retreating couldn’t be further from the truth. Blocking detatchments were small groups of men behind the lines with the job of collecting stragglers, lost units, and men who’s units had shattered completely and weren’t sure where to go now. They executed some, of course, but most of the time they shoved a rifle or ammo in your hands, pointed in a direction and said “Go there, join that unit,” if it was a bog standard soldier. Higher ranking officers would be tried and given a chance to explain what the hell happened. Gross misconduct of course meant death, but if your unit shattered despite your best efforts, your men simply couldn’t hold onto an objective, or you ran into enemy forces way outside what you were informed would be there, you’d often be acquitted, or if you were deemed at fault but not egregiously so you’d be reassigned to a penal unit.

Anyway anyone know a good recipe for Alfredo sauce?

You do know that being encircled or taken as a prisoner of war got you gulaged, right?

 

[AnOminous]

The US Civil War would beg to differ.

That was an ecumenical matter. And yes, it says something that the war we had with most American deaths was where we were killing each other. None of the pussies in the rest of the entire world could have inflicted such casualties upon us.

The point of Vietnam was throwing college druggies at North Vietnam repeatedly so Westmoreland's Press Conferences could go smoothly.

Except college druggies just said fuck that shit, burned their draft cards, and went off and dropped some more acid.

 

[Hollywood Hulk Hogan]

What's everyone's favorite hot sauce?

 

[Techpriest]

You do know that being encircled or taken as a prisoner of war got you gulaged, right?

Encircled? Not necessarily. Prisoners of war were, but that was after the war. I’m discussing conduct during the war.

 

[Ari Gold]

What's everyone's favorite hot sauce?

Frank's RedHot. I put that shit on everything.