Payment Processor Censorship (Visa / Mastercard / Stripe / PayPal etc) - Discuss Payment Processor/Gateways/Banks censoring people in this thread.

[WelperHelper99]

Also, are those guys just simple coomers, or did they "randomly" show up right after we started talking about legislation and started putting names to the laws and products out there?

Are you talking about Twitter and YT or people in the thread? It's no secret that this site is read by every major social media personality. They just don't say anything because it's KF.

 

[Tin Foil Hatter]

Are you talking about Twitter and YT or people in the thread? It's no secret that this site is read by every major social media personality. They just don't say anything because it's KF.

I am probably overthinking things because that's what i do.

So yeah i had fun going down this rabbit hole, but at the same time it's like getting sucked into the dimension of autism full of gears, trains, and binary logic with hordes of laws and other bullshit thrown in. It's really a wonder of human achievement that i can buy something from somewhere else, and not only will i get what i paid for, BUT if they try to rip me off the financial system can stop the charge and punish the scammer.

Too bad it's going in a dystopian direction.

 

[WelperHelper99]

I am probably overthinking things because that's what i do.

So yeah i had fun going down this rabbit hole, but at the same time it's like getting sucked into the dimension of autism full of gears, trains, and binary logic with hordes of laws and other bullshit thrown in. It's really a wonder of human achievement that i can buy something from somewhere else, and not only will i get what i paid for, BUT if they try to rip me off the financial system can stop the charge and punish the scammer.

Too bad it's going in a dystopian direction.

.... you didn't answer my question though. You gave me a non answer and gibberish. Meds, now.

 

[Cherenkovblue]

Well, one thing I can do to fight this, and I suggest you all do the same, and spread the word as far as you can until it hurts them enough to notice, is close any accounts you have with Mastercard, and if you get asked why, specifically state their inappropriate policy of using payment processors to censor merchants that are selling legal products. I'm going to pay off my balance this month and close my card. Fuck Mastercard!

This. Continuing to give these people money is retarded. Use other payment methods or go without.

@Null the USIPS needs to start a "Fuck Mastercard!" movement that is centered on people closing their accounts with Mastercard and businesses refusing to take Mastercard until they stop being assholes!

It's not just Mastercard, though. Needs a catchier, more all-encompassing name. How about.... FUCK USURY?

 

[Prokhor Zakharov]

Getting people to switch en masse seems unlikely because if you start over with a new credit card, you start with the basic credit limit.

So people would rather take it up the ass so they can buy more shit they don't need and can't afford, rather than do what is necessary to bring these assholes under control? That sounds about right, and is also incredibly pathetic.

 

[Fatpacks]

So people would rather take it up the ass so they can buy more shit they don't need and can't afford, rather than do what is necessary to bring these assholes under control? That sounds about right, and is also incredibly pathetic.

As the saying goes: "You won't do shit"

 

[Jarolleon]

Oh my God. A demented Jew is arguing against payment processors censoring shit while a racist White man is arguing it's a good thing. Total Retard War... has changed.

Which racist White man? Are there some delusional groypers who think payment processor censorship is based because once they commandeer the levers of power in a Mussolini-esque coup they can use the payment processors to enforce White Sharia globally?

These aren't Payment Processors, they're the Payment Networks. Visa, Mastercard, Discover, and American Express. They hold a cartel on the entire business of online payment outside of Crypto. Normies aren't going to use cryptocurrency since even most cryptobros use it as a security or asset and not as a proper currency. These platforms that you speak of would be snuffed out before you even blink. These payment networks are so powerful that they have the power to snuff out the largest corporations if they chose to do so.

The payment networks need to be curb stomped American History X style before they can be allowed to enact unholy levels of power on a colossal basis.

I wonder if they'll be nuts enough to cripple the US government if by some miracle they actually do try to rein the processors in. Asimov's "Foundation" stories are getting a resurgence in popularity, and those novels are a technocrat power fantasy that probably has the same effect on corpos as those girl power movies where a 100 lb waif beats up three men twice her size has on women.

 

[negromaschina35]

That's yet ANOTHER angle about this! So right now there is an international demographic crisis. The bankers will tell you that the boomers are the only ones buying houses, but the bankers will not tell you WHY it's only the boomers. Two of the serious problems: Most of the younger generation can't afford a house, and the few that can, are not interested in a big house because they don't have a wife or kid.

The boomers were captured by the system with wives, kids, and luxury. The new generation? has none of that, and as a result they are not in the system. Right now there is this cope of ai and street shitting retarded pajeets, but it's not sustainable. They refuse to offer incentives for men to get back into society, and any attempt to force them back into society will result in them leaving the country, further compounding the brain and skill drain.

So another angle here is that the powers that be, which would include the payment processors, are using them to start dialing back the porn. i can see them starting with the weird hentai stuff, then saying "oh look a precedence!" and since US common law is built on precedence they start dismantling the porn industry. That's another scenario here.

There is fuckery going on here. The more i drill into it, the more i can see them doing this. In one opening move they are attacking porn and games to see what they can get away with, and i suspect they will attack the community that pushes back the least.

Exactly what i had in mind, they are going to censor porn, expecting society to go back to the good'ol days, thinking that men will just go back to the game, make a billion babies and keep their empire going (completely unaware of the real problem), it's gonna backfire on them so badly that when society collapses, they going to ask to themselfes, wondering "what we did wrong?".

 

[Thiletonomics]

Why did these companies only now start to ramp up that censorship? Is it just because censorship is a thing in Current Year? Is it increasing pressure from SJWs or "Karens"?

And even if it's just extreme stuff now, I think it could be a slippery slope to anything they deem "problematic" later down the road.

Is it also to try to make Trump look bad? Although they would have done the same if Kamala were to have been elected instead, and I can see her actually praising the said censorship and calling it "necessary to save the Democracy of our World, and not just US Democracy, but World Democracy"

Also, would this ramping up of censorship have anything to do with Blue Archive and Uma Musume getting skyrocketting popularity? The payment processors then started to seethe that the halo girl and horse girl games are making dough while Daw (he/him) and Concord became one of video game's biggest flops, and the NEWBORN NEW PORN Dustborn is only being held afloat by government subsidies, and is doing the mass censorship to "punish" people for rejecting the SOY DEI WOKE GOVERNMENT MANDATED games?

 

[Do Not Touch Me Pls]

Is it also to try to make Trump look bad? Although they would have done the same if Kamala were to have been elected instead, and I can see her actually praising the said censorship and calling it "necessary to save the Democracy of our World, and not just US Democracy, but World Democracy"

Also, would this ramping up of censorship have anything to do with Blue Archive and Uma Musume getting skyrocketting popularity? The payment processors then started to seethe that the halo girl and horse girl games are making dough while Daw (he/him) and Concord became one of video game's biggest flops, and the NEWBORN NEW PORN Dustborn is only being held afloat by government subsidies, and is doing the mass censorship to "punish" people for rejecting the SOY DEI WOKE GOVERNMENT MANDATED games?

Not really, Umamusume pretty much has an anti porn stance (per deal with the Yakuza iirc) and they did not do anything to the Google Play Store or the Iphone App Store. If they were targeting the gacha games, they will not just be targeting fanbox, they will be targeting App stores and not Steam and Itch.io.

Not everything needs to have stuff directly to do with America either. It's literally rushing theocratic dystopia mode that would happen sooner or later in some form or way. In fact most of the ideas come from Commonwealth countries (the EU remained silent amongst all of this, it's not a coincidence).

Exactly what i had in mind, they are going to censor porn, expecting society to go back to the good'ol days, thinking that men will just go back to the game, make a billion babies and keep their empire going (completely unaware of the real problem), it's gonna backfire on them so badly that when society collapses, they going to ask to themselfes, wondering "what we did wrong?".

They all think Americans (or people worldwide) will go back to the good old days where people will willingly be subjugated in a mega-dystopia as sheep under strict moderations against human nature.

there may be some shadowy cabal pulling the strings here but it could also be irrational niggers acting according to stupid whims and fucking everything up
history has demonstrated many times that having incredible power does not always come with the ability to think ahead and reason intelligently

Or both. Killers are not smart.

 

[Creative Username]

Exactly what i had in mind, they are going to censor porn, expecting society to go back to the good'ol days, thinking that men will just go back to the game, make a billion babies and keep their empire going (completely unaware of the real problem), it's gonna backfire on them so badly that when society collapses, they going to ask to themselfes, wondering "what we did wrong?".

Is it also to try to make Trump look bad? Although they would have done the same if Kamala were to have been elected instead, and I can see her actually praising the said censorship and calling it "necessary to save the Democracy of our World, and not just US Democracy, but World Democracy"

Also, would this ramping up of censorship have anything to do with Blue Archive and Uma Musume getting skyrocketting popularity? The payment processors then started to seethe that the halo girl and horse girl games are making dough while Daw (he/him) and Concord became one of video game's biggest flops, and the NEWBORN NEW PORN Dustborn is only being held afloat by government subsidies, and is doing the mass censorship to "punish" people for rejecting the SOY DEI WOKE GOVERNMENT MANDATED games?

you know you can think of all these elaborate master plans but there's a good chance that it's either of these:

1. the high up execs mentally live in the alegria corposhit fantasy world and think banning everything edgier than a sphere will make their brand even wholesomer and it's ok because everybody else seems to be doing it
2. the high up execs really want to ban these things and think it's ok now because trump won and sjw shit is on its way out (they are boomers and still think that video games cause violence, and still unfortunately haven't died yet)

there may be some shadowy cabal pulling the strings here but it could also be irrational niggers acting according to stupid whims and fucking everything up
history has demonstrated many times that having incredible power does not always come with the ability to think ahead and reason intelligently

 

[Thiletonomics]

Not really, Umamusume pretty much has an anti porn stance (per deal with the Yakuza iirc) and they did not do anything to the Google Play Store or the Iphone App Store. If they were targeting the gacha games, they will not just be targeting fanbox, they will be targeting App stores and not Steam and Itch.io.

Not everything needs to have stuff directly to do with America either. It's literally rushing theocratic dystopia mode that would happen sooner or later in some form or way. In fact most of the ideas come from Commonwealth countries (the EU remained silent amongst all of this, it's not a coincidence).

They could target gacha games later under the excuse of "we want to stop children gambling" or using the general argument of "gambling destroys lives". Going after sports gambling or casinos would be too obvious, so gacha games would be a lower lying fruit target, it'd give a middle finger to Japan to force them to suck the Globohomo gock even further, and people would be more likely to be okay with gacha games going away compared to actual sports gambling or casinos.

there may be some shadowy cabal pulling the strings here but it could also be irrational niggers acting according to stupid whims and fucking everything up
history has demonstrated many times that having incredible power does not always come with the ability to think ahead and reason intelligently

We've even seen that happen without subtlety in reason times, i.e. Justin Trudeau Thanos snapping people's bank accounts for even donating to a "THREAT TO OUR WORLD DEMOCRACY" in honking truckers.

 

[Do Not Touch Me Pls]

They could target gacha games later under the excuse of "we want to stop children gambling" or using the general argument of "gambling destroys lives". Going after sports gambling or casinos would be too obvious, so gacha games would be a lower lying fruit target, it'd give a middle finger to Japan to force them to suck the Globohomo gock even further, and people would be more likely to be okay with gacha games going away compared to actual sports gambling or casinos.

Blue Archive is a Korean Game but yup. They'll might also try to clamp down Mihoyo which is directly under China as well. Although I think they will target Inti Creates and Idea Factory first.

We've even seen that happen without subtlety in reason times, i.e. Justin Trudeau Thanos snapping people's bank accounts for even donating to a "THREAT TO OUR WORLD DEMOCRACY" in honking truckers.

Do not forget that the Romans did not get subtly converted to Jewish religion by the end of the Roman Empire. They saw their entire religion, culture and way of living being ripped off from them alive by the Inquisitorial mobs and they cannot do anything against it.

Would they also go after Valve's cases and skins market for Counter-Strike, DOTA 2, and Team Fortress 2 in the same way, since they already got Valve to cuck out by them doing that mass game delisting? People also have said how destructive that gambling is as well, and it's even more egregious since the skins can be sold later on, and cases don't have pity timers compared to most other loot boxes in other games.

I'd also would wonder if they'd go after Magic: The Gathering with its card pack models for both paper and digital, since Hasbro is literally relying on WotC to carry them financially since their other IPs are losing money hard. If WotC were to go down, then so would all of Hasbro.

Those companies can all fight back in their own ways or are powerful establishment fronts, as powerful as payment processors are, they do not want to risk a multi-company joint lawsuit from the entire American gaming industry or the free access to online banking movement having powerful backers from inside the states. They are acting under the basis that a typical slop indie dev, a doujin artist or a smaller-sized Japanese company wont or cannot do anything against them. Remember most of the attackers are not even inside the states, they are enforcing internationally through European Union countries.

 

[Thiletonomics]

Blue Archive is a Korean Game but yup. They'll might also try to clamp down Mihoyo which is directly under China as well. Although I think they will target Inti Creates and Idea Factory first.

Blue Archive's Steam release did briefly get delayed for undisclosed reasons, although I'm not sure if was payment-processor related.

Would they also go after Valve's cases and skins market for Counter-Strike, DOTA 2, and Team Fortress 2 in the same way, since they already got Valve to cuck out by them doing that mass game delisting? People also have said how destructive that gambling is as well, and it's even more egregious since the skins can be sold later on, and cases don't have pity timers compared to most other loot boxes in other games.

I'd also would wonder if they'd go after Magic: The Gathering with its card pack models for both paper and digital, since Hasbro is literally relying on WotC to carry them financially since their other IPs are losing money hard. If WotC were to go down, then so would all of Hasbro.

Those companies can all fight back. The typical slop game or medium-sized anime game company cannot.

Valve didn't fight back and just spread their asshole for it, and isn't Visa/MasterCard worth $100 Billion+, compared to how Valve is still only worth < $10 billion? And at this rate, Visa/MasterCard could be worth in the trillions by now. And even if a company were to fight back, the payment processors can literally threaten governments by saying if you don't bail them out, then your economies will all crash when payment processing comes to a screeching halt. It would be like China mass banning millions of people out of WeChat/AliPay, and China HAS done those said mass bans.

 

[Do Not Touch Me Pls]

Valve didn't fight back and just spread their asshole for it, and isn't Visa/MasterCard worth $100 Billion+, compared to how Valve is still only worth < $10 billion? And at this rate, Visa/MasterCard could be worth in the trillions by now. And even if a company were to fight back, the payment processors can literally threaten governments by saying if you don't bail them out, then your economies will all crash when payment processing comes to a screeching halt. It would be like China mass banning millions of people out of WeChat/AliPay.

Thing is most of the slop removed back then were against TOS anyways so they have plenty of plausible deniability to abuse there. Be noted that they have not gone after Tamsoft, Idea Factory and Inti Creates yet, lest be KI6/Nemlei, those are likely next however. Targeting Valve games themselves in addition to Hasbro, Rockstar, Medium (Mortal Kombat) and potentially Games Workshop (which is French- UK based) is a different story compared to targeting indie games or small companies and is essentially asking for a free access to online banking act to come out almost instantly.

As for destroying the American economy, they have better luck starting a civil war to collapse America like they do with Ukraine. Americans don't worship the state as Gods unlike the Chinese and the companies themselves can always convert to internal debit like they do with Amazon.

 

[Creative Username]

Also Americans don't worship the state as Gods unlike the Chinese.

true most of the time, unless you have a convenient terrorist attack handy or something

 

[RandyMiskatonic]

Its about the principle of the matter, of not letting banks and cards tell me where i can and cannot spend my hard earned cash.

BUCK BROKEN.

There was no crime though. If there was the police can enforce the fucking law you sperg. Its not their fucking job. Kill yourself.

So it was fucking Mastercard. They fucking LIED.

They're MasterCard, they can do whatever they want, lol. What are you going to do, Go to Visa? Bitcoin it up? LMAO EVEN!

 

[Do Not Touch Me Pls]

true most of the time, unless you have a convenient terrorist attack handy or something

A terrorist attack would work, but I think they'll wait until Trump steps out of office and America will be destroyed by civil war.

They don't even need the payment processors to enforce globalist laws by that point, because the UN will be there to enforce them personally.

They are UK based retard

Oops, that's even worse then. If the payment processors decides to do something against RockStar Games big time (and not just formalities) they'll fully seize GW Workshop or force it to go grandma hammer mode.

 

[WelperHelper99]

Valve didn't fight back and just spread their asshole for it, and isn't Visa/MasterCard worth $100 Billion+, compared to how Valve is still only worth < $10 billion? And at this rate, Visa/MasterCard could be worth in the trillions by now. And even if a company were to fight back, the payment processors can literally threaten governments by saying if you don't bail them out, then your economies will all crash when payment processing comes to a screeching halt. It would be like China mass banning millions of people out of WeChat/AliPay, and China HAS done those said mass bans.

It's a tricky situation for Valve since they're all digital. The cards are their chokepoint. They can't accept cash if they wanted to. They do have the money to duke it out in court. It would be incredibly ugly, with top tier lawyers on either side. That's why they're hesitating. In legal firepower, the cards and Valve are equal.

potentially Games Workshop (which is French-based)

They are UK based retard

 

[Maeis]

This green furry thing is perhaps the stupidest person I've seen on twitter today, and that's saying something. The First Amendment is specifically designed to protect against government censorship of speech.