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Jay, you refer to yourself constantly as a "Sadist", but it's apparent in your descriptions you haven't done any real research in to the S&M community, or what effects, temporary or lasting, your whims might have on a partner.

Nettles "sting" because there is a highly potent poison on the leaves that enters the skin on contact. There are dozens of varieties, and the stinging nettles we are familiar with are just one of the less-potent variety - less potent in that they have been known to kill dogs who have gotten into a patch of them and gotten stung everywhere. Nettles can also cause lasting damage due to this poison, including scarring of the affected areas. If you don't have a clue how to use them for sexual play, you can cause your partner extreme pain lasting for days, and can leave permanent marks upon their body.

According to an Amnesty International Report for 2008, there had been at least 351 taser-related deaths since 2001. Tasers kill targets by triggering exacerbating conditions, such as heart attacks or strokes; they cause their victims to fall and exhibit seizures both of which can cause lasting damage through trauma. They can cause permanent lasting damage through burns and PTSD.

Cattle Prods historically have a lower voltage and are used to just "touch" targets with mild shocks, but I don't know if those are the ones you mean. Modern "cattle prods" are being designed for use by our police and military and some recently released don't have limiters on their charges and are going up to 5 MILLION volts. Tasers hover around 70-200,000 volts.

I don't know what you really are, Jay, because you haven't done anything with anyone else and it's all just talk so far. If these are all fantasies that you have that's great, fantasize away, but the second you actually want to introduce ANYTHING with another person you need to do research, you need to investigate, you need to plan, and most importantly you NEED to be conscious of your partners desires and pains. Saying "massochists get pleasure from pain so it's ok" is not okay, because even the most submissive of slaves would not find anything enjoyable about 3 days of their entire body covered in poisoned pustules or hours of tremors and headaches from 5 minutes of extended shocks.
 
Smutley said:
Jay, you refer to yourself constantly as a "Sadist", but it's apparent in your descriptions you haven't done any real research in to the S&M community, or what effects, temporary or lasting, your whims might have on a partner.

Nettles "sting" because there is a highly potent poison on the leaves that enters the skin on contact. There are dozens of varieties, and the stinging nettles we are familiar with are just one of the less-potent variety - less potent in that they have been known to kill dogs who have gotten into a patch of them and gotten stung everywhere. Nettles can also cause lasting damage due to this poison, including scarring of the affected areas. If you don't have a clue how to use them for sexual play, you can cause your partner extreme pain lasting for days, and can leave permanent marks upon their body.

According to an Amnesty International Report for 2008, there had been at least 351 taser-related deaths since 2001. Tasers kill targets by triggering exacerbating conditions, such as heart attacks or strokes; they cause their victims to fall and exhibit seizures both of which can cause lasting damage through trauma. They can cause permanent lasting damage through burns and PTSD.

Cattle Prods historically have a lower voltage and are used to just "touch" targets with mild shocks, but I don't know if those are the ones you mean. Modern "cattle prods" are being designed for use by our police and military and some recently released don't have limiters on their charges and are going up to 5 MILLION volts. Tasers hover around 70-200,000 volts.

I don't know what you really are, Jay, because you haven't done anything with anyone else and it's all just talk so far. If these are all fantasies that you have that's great, fantasize away, but the second you actually want to introduce ANYTHING with another person you need to do research, you need to investigate, you need to plan, and most importantly you NEED to be conscious of your partners desires and pains. Saying "massochists get pleasure from pain so it's ok" is not okay, because even the most submissive of slaves would not find anything enjoyable about 3 days of their entire body covered in poisoned pustules or hours of tremors and headaches from 5 minutes of extended shocks.
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Heed the AIDS Awareness Cat well, for he knows what he speaks of. Keep it safe, people.
 
Smutley said:
I don't know what you really are, Jay, because you haven't done anything with anyone else and it's all just talk so far. If these are all fantasies that you have that's great, fantasize away, but the second you actually want to introduce ANYTHING with another person you need to do research, you need to investigate, you need to plan, and most importantly you NEED to be conscious of your partners desires and pains. Saying "massochists get pleasure from pain so it's ok" is not okay, because even the most submissive of slaves would not find anything enjoyable about 3 days of their entire body covered in poisoned pustules or hours of tremors and headaches from 5 minutes of extended shocks.
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Yep, you better be aware in any BDSM situation the submissive one has the most control, not you.
 
Jay really seems to have made some kind of a breakthrough these last couple of days.

I'm (very) cautiously optimistic.

He still seems to be avoiding the autism issue, though, which is a pity.

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Do you think we can get our deposit back from the skywriter? :ween:
 
Jay did this before. Give it a few pages until he starts insulting people again. He only wants us to stop showing his own evidence against him.

If not, then welcome, Jay, and I hope this time you actually listen to us and take what we're saying to heart so that both sides can be happy. Whether you believe it or not, we do want you to get help and better yourself so that you can have a better life and we don't have to worry about anyone being hurt when in contact with you.

My own question to you, if you see it, is could you please show actual evidence of us taking your words and twisting them to what we want? On our wiki and this forum, we ALWAYS take screenshots of your journals and include transcripts. Anyone can see that the screenshots are perfect matches to your actual journals on your DA page. We are simply showing you what you wrote, that is it.

Unless there HAVE been edited, changed, or distorted screenshots, someone hacked into your DA and keeps changing your journals, or someone is making exaggerated half-truths. If so, I would really like to see them so that the community here can find out who was making false accusations against you and tampering with evidence so we can put a stop to it.
 
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So I get home and find out that this has happened? Lol. :)

Jay isn't capable of thoroughly processing information when it conflicts with the image he has created of himself, he needs all the help he can get. Which is why counseling would be a good thing. There's only so much that you and your mother can do to your self-image issues.

Oh, and Jay, I've got a question: what do you not like about yourself? How do you think you could improve yourself? And why is this? (I don't mean your art or writing, but your life and personality.)
 
I don't remember if I said this last time he tried this but people don't end up as a topic in the lolcow section of this board for no reason. Everyone fucks up but you have to be doing it nearly by choice to end up here. Ego, "special snowflake" syndrome, and personal blindness is the recipe for infamy.

It might be against your nature but putting out a lot of things publicly that the vast majority of people consider fucked up is the easiest way to attract negative attention. I don't know jack squat about you but I'm sure you're doing this otherwise you wouldn't be here. Stop giving the trolls ammunition and eventually they'll lose interest.

In the best possible way, I hope you listen to what some of the people say here (a lot are pretty smart) and we never see you again. When you become a nobody to us then you'll finally be able to work on becoming somebody.
 
This has been a pretty great thread. Most of @The Golden Knight's
flaws have been covered and he would at least pretend to listen. One that hasn't really been touched is his dependency on his mother. I'm sure she's a nice lady but getting her approval for your books or to tell you you're right is extremely childish. As your mother her opinion will always be biased and in your favor. It may make you feel better but it won't be beneficial in the long run.
 
I don't know. Something tells me that this guy is just taking token efforts and ultimately, he's never going to change.

Believe me, I know a guy who's a milder version of Goldie. He'd lash out at my friends and I, apologize and say he'd never do it again, wait a few weeks, then lash out again, rinse and repeat. My friends and I got sick of his ass and left him behind. It's probably going to take a shower date with Bubba for Goldie to even consider changing his ways and by then it will be far too late.
 
Hi Jay. Let me just say first, if you haven't already figured it out, that this discussion board isn't a collective. This is not an anti-Jay conspiracy. The folks you're talking to have different reasons for being here and a range of suggestions for you. I agree with some people and disagree with others. I don't speak for anyone but myself.

That said, no one here is criticizing the core Jay Geis. We are criticizing your actions and your beliefs. This is not the same as criticizing you. Most of the people holding this group discussion want you to change for the better. We have faith that you can change. We want you to have a happy and fulfilling life and feel a sense of social acceptance. It is possible to recognize that there are a few bad things about you without feeling that you are irredeemably tainted. Furthermore, it is possible to make changes and adjustments to your behavior without abandoning your core self or selling out to "conformity." The way in which some people are criticizing you, with mockery and derision, isn't enjoyable, but it happens to everyone, especially those with a lot of public exposure. Underneath the tone you should look at the actual critique and take it seriously.

While none of us (to my knowledge) are psychologists, a lot of us have picked up on a strain of narcissism in your writing. It's possible that you have a full-blown personality disorder. I have one myself. If so, it might help to explain some of the problems you've been having in your social life, especially your difficulty in making friends and holding onto a (real) girlfriend. It might also explain why a bunch of strangers think that you're so unusual that they've made an entire forum about you.

The good news is that you can make this narcissism go away. The bad news is that you probably don't want to. Most narcissists don't think there's anything wrong with them. They feel that the fault always lies with others. Moreover, because their very disorder makes it hard to accept criticism, they choose not to recognize that they have the disorder in the first place. The problem isn't that narcissism can't be treated, it's that narcissists don't seek treatment.

Your social difficulties won't go away by talking to people on the Kiwi Forum. They won't go away by talking to your mother. Tackling a personality disorder requires a lot of work with a therapist. It does not require "institutionalization." All you do is sit on a couch and grapple with your feelings, at least once a week. However, it is VERY HARD because it requires you to think about the most uncomfortable feelings you have. In the long run, though, it will make your life much more fulfilling. Only by getting out of your "comfort zone" can you achieve true "glory."

You're probably not ready to hear this. No one likes to make major changes in their life. Until you do, however, don't expect to see changes in your relationships with other people. You can also expect that your ideas and behaviors will continue to attract criticism, and your efforts to "explain it away" will fail. You're a friendless virgin because no one likes to hang out with someone with a personality disorder. Treatments are available and they do work, but you have to be brave enough (yea, like a golden knight) to seek them out.
 
Globe said:
I've heard of it, but it's honestly a nonissue to me. Whether he had some ulterior motive in mind or not, fact is he came here trying to extend an olive branch, and we all know we're never going see something like that from, say, CWC or TJ "this thread will go away I just don't know how or when" Church, so I figured the least we could do is give him the most honest, non antagonistic advice we could. I don't think it's going to be any skin off any of our noses if he chooses not to take it.
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Curse it, I wake up 9 hours later, then I return to a whole extra page of lectures. I can not address *everything* at the same time because I find it overwhelming to all absorb at once. plus I have Mandy's gift to produce. ;) Don't worry, I'll see to it.

asperhes said:
Hi Jay. Let me just say first, if you haven't already figured it out, that this discussion board isn't a collective. This is not an anti-Jay conspiracy. The folks you're talking to have different reasons for being here and a range of suggestions for you. I agree with some people and disagree with others. I don't speak for anyone but myself.

That said, no one here is criticizing the core Jay Geis. We are criticizing your actions and your beliefs. This is not the same as criticizing you. Most of the people holding this group discussion want you to change for the better. We have faith that you can change. We want you to have a happy and fulfilling life and feel a sense of social acceptance. It is possible to recognize that there are a few bad things about you without feeling that you are irredeemably tainted. Furthermore, it is possible to make changes and adjustments to your behavior without abandoning your core self or selling out to "conformity." The way in which some people are criticizing you, with mockery and derision, isn't enjoyable, but it happens to everyone, especially those with a lot of public exposure. Underneath the tone you should look at the actual critique and take it seriously.

While none of us (to my knowledge) are psychologists, a lot of us have picked up on a strain of narcissism in your writing. It's possible that you have a full-blown personality disorder. I have one myself. If so, it might help to explain some of the problems you've been having in your social life, especially your difficulty in making friends and holding onto a (real) girlfriend. It might also explain why a bunch of strangers think that you're so unusual that they've made an entire forum about you.

The good news is that you can make this narcissism go away. The bad news is that you probably don't want to. Most narcissists don't think there's anything wrong with them. They feel that the fault always lies with others. Moreover, because their very disorder makes it hard to accept criticism, they choose not to recognize that they have the disorder in the first place. The problem isn't that narcissism can't be treated, it's that narcissists don't seek treatment.

Your social difficulties won't go away by talking to people on the Kiwi Forum. They won't go away by talking to your mother. Tackling a personality disorder requires a lot of work with a therapist. It does not require "institutionalization." All you do is sit on a couch and grapple with your feelings, at least once a week. However, it is VERY HARD because it requires you to think about the most uncomfortable feelings you have. In the long run, though, it will make your life much more fulfilling. Only by getting out of your "comfort zone" can you achieve true "glory."

You're probably not ready to hear this. No one likes to make major changes in their life. Until you do, however, don't expect to see changes in your relationships with other people. You can also expect that your ideas and behaviors will continue to attract criticism, and your efforts to "explain it away" will fail. You're a friendless virgin because no one likes to hang out with someone with a personality disorder. Treatments are available and they do work, but you have to be brave enough (yea, like a golden knight) to seek them out.
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With that in mind, there is truth to this. That may be part of why I've encountered frustration; always swearing, "Where did I go wrong?" I thought I already was "Grappling with my feelings." Suffice it to say, inner bias is a very fuzzy lens.
 
Kay, read through the thread. My thoughts:

1. Jay says he agrees with Japan's Age of Consent rules. Japan's federal age of consent is 13 but prefecture laws can override federal law in this case. HOWEVER, Japan's culture is fundamentally different from ours in many ways and I don't think it would be a good idea whatsoever to implement their policies on the subject in the U.S.

2. Jay openly admits that he just wants us to stop talking about every controversial thing he's said/done and let him continue behaving in the same way he always has. Most of his reactions to very good advice given in the thread are to either brush it off or to deny that he needs any help and that it's other people who need to change. He ignores a lot of stuff, picking and choosing so he won't have to answer in any other way. Even when explicitly shown his behavior and ways in which he has been, in a word he himself can understand, "evil", he does not acknowledge it.

3. He doesn't understand the concept of Saying vs. Doing. He insists that all he has on the internet are words, and that's just the problem. He doesn't change his manipulative behavior, he doesn't apologize or admit he's done anything wrong, he says things insincerely, he lies, he compares everything to a battle because to him this IS a battle; his online life is about all the social interaction he has so to him it's a huge deal emotionally. He doesn't DO anything but talk big. He doesn't realize that saying he'll change is different from actually changing.

4. I hope Amanda and Batman vs Tony Danza hit it off because he's cool and trying to transcript the skype calls makes me feel so bad for her omg

5. As others have mentioned, Jay has come to the forums before asking for help and advice to change. It ended the same way this probably will: Jay sees we're not going to delete the boards or stop trying to get him to find help/admit his faults that he doesn't believe are there and will leave with normal kiwi activity resuming whenever he inevitably posts on deviantart about how he "tried appealing to the trolls' good nature and they simply wouldn't have any of it so ideally no one should ever go to their forums or listen to them ever!!!"

Even if Jay does eventually realize he needs to change, I agree with Pine Tar here most. Until something major happens to him, away from the internet, I doubt he'll change. Not trying to A-Log but I'm telling it like it is. I really wish it were different, but from what I have seen, this is not going well.

The fact he refers to well-meaning advice and numerous pleas to seek professional help as "lectures" in the above post only further proves that.
 
poopbutt said:
Kay, read through the thread. My thoughts:

1. Jay says he agrees with Japan's Age of Consent rules. Japan's federal age of consent is 13 but prefecture laws can override federal law in this case. HOWEVER, Japan's culture is fundamentally different from ours in many ways and I don't think it would be a good idea whatsoever to implement their policies on the subject in the U.S.

2. Jay openly admits that he just wants us to stop talking about every controversial thing he's said/done and let him continue behaving in the same way he always has. Most of his reactions to very good advice given in the thread are to either brush it off or to deny that he needs any help and that it's other people who need to change. He ignores a lot of stuff, picking and choosing so he won't have to answer in any other way. Even when explicitly shown his behavior and ways in which he has been, in a word he himself can understand, "evil", he does not acknowledge it.

3. He doesn't understand the concept of Saying vs. Doing. He insists that all he has on the internet are words, and that's just the problem. He doesn't change his manipulative behavior, he doesn't apologize or admit he's done anything wrong, he says things insincerely, he lies, he compares everything to a battle because to him this IS a battle; his online life is about all the social interaction he has so to him it's a huge deal emotionally. He doesn't DO anything but talk big. He doesn't realize that saying he'll change is different from actually changing.

4. I hope Amanda and Batman vs Tony Danza hit it off because he's cool and trying to transcript the skype calls makes me feel so bad for her omg

5. As others have mentioned, Jay has come to the forums before asking for help and advice to change. It ended the same way this probably will: Jay sees we're not going to delete the boards or stop trying to get him to find help/admit his faults that he doesn't believe are there and will leave with normal kiwi activity resuming whenever he inevitably posts on deviantart about how he "tried appealing to the trolls' good nature and they simply wouldn't have any of it so ideally no one should ever go to their forums or listen to them ever!!!"

Even if Jay does eventually realize he needs to change, I agree with Pine Tar here most. Until something major happens to him, away from the internet, I doubt he'll change. Not trying to A-Log but I'm telling it like it is. I really wish it were different, but from what I have seen, this is not going well.

The fact he refers to well-meaning advice and numerous pleas to seek professional help as "lectures" in the above post only further proves that.
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I hope most of this is all wrong. I'll mull it over with breakfast; and of course, my video awaits. See you in an hour!

By the way, I hope this picture says, "Not nice." I felt nothing about me says "timid" and "Abusive," wrong or not. Either way, I'm surprised I was expected to see this and think, "Hmm, these guys might want to help me become a better person. I'll surrender to their nasty words and be their bitch."
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The Golden Knight said:
With that in mind, there is truth to this. That may be part of why I've encountered frustration; always swearing, "Where did I go wrong?" I thought I already was "Grappling with my feelings." Suffice it to say, inner bias is a very fuzzy lens.
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That's a good point. Sometimes it's good to talk to others just to get someone else's perspective. So would you consider talking to a therapist?
 
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