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Jay how is simply noting what you've said and done, in context no less, wronging you? No one is coming up with lies, nothing has been made up. Its not like we fabricated the Christmas journal or that Heather is full of shit about you.

If you see this board and the conclusion you reach is "Jay is a horrible person" maybe you need to do some deeper self reflection and stop making big war declarations or whatever it is you're trying to prove.
 
OK, what DID I do to Heather?

Emotionally manipulated her, constantly insulted her under the guise of improving her, constantly trying to push your golden sex drive all over her with DeviantArt emoticons and creepy comments, trying to get with Cassandra while still with her, making her try and compete with Cassandra for your affection, attempting to win her back with gifts and promises you know you wouldn't fulfill, the list goes on.
 
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OK, what DID I do to Heather?

You treated her like shit. You wanted to mold her into something that fit YOUR vision of a girlfriend regardless of what she wanted. You were needy to the point of controlling, said some mean things about their pet bird and her sister, you perved on her in public. You basically couldn't accept her for who she was and wanted your "heroine". I'm sure there were other things but honestly it wasn't us that ruined your relationship. It was you. We just offered her support and we think she's a pretty awesome gal. Also you should just get over what happened. Stop talking to people about her when they didn't even ask.
 
I did not see myself as abusive at the time. If that was the impact I had, then woe is me. I have wanted to mentor her, sure, but I did not want to emotionally manipulate or worse. And a two-year relationship was challenged by - you know what? That whole scene was a mistake. I do want my heroine, but I know that is never going to happen. Ever. It makes me upset to accept this.

But no question, the bird really was annoying with its horribly disruptive squawking.
 
I legitimately want to know what you're going to do if this thread doesn't "develop" in the way you want it to.
 
I did not see myself as abusive at the time. If that was the impact I had, then woe is me. I have wanted to mentor her, sure, but I did not want to emotionally manipulate or worse. And a two-year relationship was challenged by - you know what? That whole scene was a mistake. I do want my heroine, but I know that is never going to happen. Ever.

But no question, the bird really was annoying with its horribly disruptive squawking.

The world is not all about you. Get over it.
 
I did not see myself as abusive at the time. If that was the impact I had, then woe is me.

That's the problem. You don't/didn't see anything wrong with what you said/did.
I have wanted to mentor her, sure, but I did not want to emotionally manipulate or worse.

No.
And a two-year relationship was challenged by - you know what? That whole scene was a mistake.

You think?
 
I did not see myself as abusive at the time. If that was the impact I had, then woe is me. I have wanted to mentor her, sure, but I did not want to emotionally manipulate or worse. And a two-year relationship was challenged by - you know what? That whole scene was a mistake.

But no question, the bird really was annoying with its horribly disruptive squawking.

What makes you think she needs mentoring? She's fine as she is. You had a girl that was out of your league in every department and you blew it.
 
Yes, your mistake, Jay. Admit to it. I know it hurts, but most of your problems come from avoiding things that hurt you.
 
The root of the tension is that you haven't changed. You say that you've changed, and say you want to put it behind you, but you never actually resolve any of it. You don't try to change anything, you just blame it on others.
 
Even now, I am beginning to feel antagonized. The more I go on, the stronger tension grows.

That's going to happen, because you've done things that you refuse to acknowledge you did and try to cover up. You can get mad all you want, but if you're going to come here and try to approach us for "peace" you need to be prepared to have shit flung your way.
 
Step 1: You are not the center of the universe. Other people are not NPCs. They have feelings and desires of their own and yours do not supersede theirs. So trying to mentor or control people you're in a relationship with is a big no-no.
 
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