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"Agender" does mean something. It's an attempt to demean one's own sex to ingratiate oneself with liberals of the opposite sex. Agender women claim to be the intellectual equals of men, which the libs insist women can never be, and agender men claim to not be rapists, which the libs say #YesAllMen are.Well, he claims to be "agender" (which means precisely nothing)
Don't worry, Peter's harmless as long as you stay off his property.and agender men claim to not be rapists, which the libs say #YesAllMen are.
"Agender" does mean something.
Does he or Ashleigh have a job?
Nobody's touching ewsexual gussy with a ten foot pol. Not when there's perfectly willing hypersexuals, which are likely just as autistic.I can believe that women asexuals get bothered (and raped) all the time, because of family's pressure on them and men's thirst. Not sure male asexuals get that tho.
How is the dialectic a form of idealism? Hegel is an idealist not because of his dialectics, but because ruminates about some intangible thing he calls Weltgeist. Marx and Engels bring the Weltgeist back to ground by identifying it as mode of production.Coffin said:I cut off the link, because I am entirely aware of Marxist critique of postmodernism. I have heard the arguments, and I think they're bad. Do not tell me what critiques I "can really benefit from." That's condescending horseshit.
Marxism benefits from criticism, which is what postmodernism is. Marxism is a modernist philosophy that subscribes to the idea there is an essentialism about what things are and aren't. That is the part about Marxism I do not subscribe to, and I have already "benefited" from reading people trying to say Marxism is somehow infallible. There is no "universal," only "shared."
Marx is, interestingly enough, not even that essentialist about his own essentialism, as he ultimately finds conditions such as the human essence (among other things) changeable and relative to the aggregate of social relations. Also, though he was quite critical of Hegelian dialectics, he was as much a believer in it as he was a critic. His dialectic is still a dialectic. His pretense and eagerness that his method was somehow the opposite of Hegel's dialectic reveals it is as idealist as anything.
Marxism benefits from the criticism that brings perspective into historical materialism. There is no "objective history." As it was recorded, every word was a product of perspective. Every human limited by one's own context. Impossible to be perfect. "All that is solid melts into air, all that is holy is profaned, and man is at last compelled to face with sober senses his real conditions of life, and his relations with his kind." This refers to the removal of the veneer which exposes the inner workings.
But modernist thought's inherent limitation here is that we still see the inner workings through perspective. The bourgeois still sees the inner workings differently than I do. White people see it differently than black people. The cis see it differently than trans folks. This is the trouble in seeing philosophy (or economic critique, take your pick with Marx) as religion. One takes the words of a single person or a small group as a Bible.
I enjoy saying I am a "Postmodern Neo-Marxist" because it's more accurate than if I said "Marxist." In truth, I'm probably a metamodern marxist-debordian, but that is so obscure it means nothing. Well, means nothing to most people. It obviously has a meaning otherwise I wouldn't say that is probably most accurately what I am. Also, it isn't just Marxism that benefits from criticism. Everything benefits from criticism. If the world was powered on good-faith criticism, it would be genuinely absolutely nothing like it has been in the last 100+ years. And trust, so much of my critique is built out of Marx. It's just that he is human, and so is Debord. And so is everyone.
Coffin said:One issue I have with the internet media structure is that I am comfortable being wrong and people are often looking for someone to be wrong to hold up as an example. Even people who are not doing this intentionally might be doing this, and it makes people hard to work with. I think this is something that makes it very hard for there to be a broad online left. There is a need with some for there to be a prevalent (or in some cases superior) ideology - and there isn't one.
You'll probably see me say things like "I think a working communism/classless society would look a lot like what people put forward as anarcho-communism," but truth be told, I think the things that truly matter are cooperation and shared experience. There isn't a grand, sweeping narrative. But there is a shared narrative. If we care about working together, things don't have to be as they are today. Instead it's an endless competition about who has the right ideology.
I'm kind of done feeding that kind of media project. I'm not a foil, not a heel. I think postmodernism and criticism of the idea of human ability to be objective is good. I think individual perspective is good, I think human recognition is good. I'm Marxist in that I think Marx was right in nearly the entirety of his critique of capitalism (with very minor issues, TBH) and I use that critique (as well as others' critique of that critique in my own).
Debord is difficult to reach a genuine understating of without having read Capital, and I hold Debord as "my guy," but also I think he was wrong sometimes, as well as a bit hyperfocal on certain things in weird ways. Debord isn't often lumped in with postmodernism because he's a very different critique - most pomo is not actually fully rooted in Marx. But I'd say Debord is what Postmodern Neo-Marxism actually would be if not a scare phrase.
Debord understood subjectivity without wanting to throw history out - in fact, he was harshly oriented around history. Simultaneously, however, he was suspicious of canonized history (he didn't use this term but said things like "history as appropriated for official culture"). The issue is that any institution can have its own canonized history and official culture; how do we know a history is contextualized neutrally? That's a trick question, of course. No history is contextualized neutrally. Debord also had an array of his own terminology that he sometimes didn't bother with. Or, perhaps, doesn't really translate. He was a really cynical person who killed himself and I often feel bad for. His cynicism was directed at institutions, though, so it's somewhat hard for me to disagree with that. He isn't well regarded because he devoted a large portion of his defining work (Society of The Spectacle) to harshly criticizing Marxism-Leninism and I feel that got him buried during a time where there wasn't a lot of Marxists but them.
So I mean... I identify a lot with this person, except it's not MLs specifically I have an issue with (though I do have issues with some MLs), it's this reproduction of the competitive dynamic been Nintendo and Sega in the 90s which leftists have done with their ideologies. You'll find I'm hardly a "leftism centrist" but it's more traits I have issues with rather than ideologies.
But I'll say I'm extremely cynical regarding any institutions at this point, even virtual ones that more or less view themselves as online leftist groups and communities. I'm tired and I kind of just intend to say my piece. People can challenge it (and should!) but I think I'm in a position where I present my best case and if people think it's wrong, I would encourage them to continue to.
For my own health, I shouldn't spend time dealing with anti-nonbinary folks in the morning and anti-postmodernists at night. Even as I do it I really don't feel upset or whatever, but I can feel myself more cynical at the end of the day. I need realistic positivity though. Realistic positivity might not always seem positive, but it's not hopelessness.
I don't know folks. The people who wear me out fastest are on the left.
So If I get it right, Coffin tries to white-knight Melcher against the leftist hivemind. Let's see how the drama unfolds.Coffin said:This is reminding me of something that has been bothering me about Bernie Sanders lately: he constantly talks about *income inequality* and not about ownership of the means. I see this dynamic repeating itself on twitter quite often. Now, bless everyone who actually does give a shit about income inequality. But if the problem was specifically just that people don't make money, there's a few simple solutions, and UBI is one of them. However, if you've seen any leftist critique of UBI you know where that leads. Would I be fighting against making the margins more comfortable re: UBI? No. If there was a UBI bill up, I'd not campaign against it. However, if things like "income equality" or "universal income" are the goals, we are always and forever going to be under the foot of capital.
Therein lies my critique of Sanders - not a critique I would throw out probably the most sympathetic mainstream voice over, because it's not really up to him what we do (though I do appreciate his overton window moving rhetoric). Ultimately, though: income isn't really my focus.
Income, in fact, is a pretty liberal concern.
While it certainly can change people and invest them in the current hierarchy, ultimately income is not the kind of vertical mobility people want to believe it is. The liberal class model is built around income (surprise, surprise). It serves to point people at each other. While income can certainly present one with an opportunity to own some means of production, we need to spend more time on finance capital's hold on all industry and means to reach into "undeveloped" countries to exploit the lack of western regulation.
And you won't find me naming names to try to ruin attackers here; frankly, I don't find them to be any more or less disposable than anyone else in this situation. But I am going to say that focusing on a trans woman with a management job at a very small company isn't productive. While I spend time trying to figure out what's going on, I find the disposal of one individual (Thorne) a common goal. This is so far from the kind of accomplishments the left could be having if we actually built class consciousness and intersectional solidarity.
The real problems of the world are not an individual trans CTO with a middle class income at a small company. That time has been spent on her is unfortunate at best and horrific at worst.
Coffin goes full on IGNORE ALL GOOGLE RESULTS mode:
Peter released a video where he gives his two cents on Youtube Rewind 2018 hatred and are using it to recruit new Communists. He said in the video that all the outrage isn't really at "SJWs", but are actually upset at capitalism. Essentially ignoring how they're mad at those who uses capitalism for selfish purposes, and not capitalism itself.
Hate the player, Not the game.
So Coffin is a cis white guy explaining to trans rape victims what happened to them.
What else is new?
I think he pretends to be agender or some shit these days.
At the end of the day though, Wesley "Laurelai" Bailey is still a rapist.The whole chain of inane rambling said:See why I don't just immediately cave to this stuff folks? Misgendering and wishing a horrible death on people does not say "we are the good guys". Also like, this person is saying I followed women around and took snapshots of their asses, claiming it was my wife.
Like that is all kiwiframs, folks.
This is why I talk about "how information spreads".
It becomes very apparent to me who is saying things to me very quickly, because i get matching abuse that correlates with shit people write on forums. And for people who think this is because of my dislike for "callout culture," you misinterpret my opinion on "callout culture." I think "callout culture" is a disingenuous name applied to something we have trouble talking about in order to make the left look bad. There are absolutely times when identifying some person online is a valid action to take. What I don't like are those shithead forums where people congregate to stalk and make shit up about people based on the longest of reaches and try to get it accepted as fact elsewhere.
What I also don't like are the competitive elements of communities that exist because all of use were socialized in capitalism.
These things are not "callout culture." They are specific problems that often thrust people who genuinely can not get to the bottom of a situation into a judgement role, with a "cancel or be cancelled" incentive attached to it. I don't recognize this dynamic as valid and people who try to take advantage of it will be ignored. It is a coercive proposition, especially when the weight of "listen to ____ group" is thrown around when both sides of it happen to be from that group and all sides of the story depend on unverifiable info. And all of it comes from people who all face similar accusations.
I see it again today with a person I know nothing about and I continually get annoyed by the idea some folks are willing to build collective people power only to end individuals that are inconvenient for them. I don't want these people to disappear or have harm come to them. I want them to stop and start directing that kind of energy at fash and capital.
In short: I don't want them cancelled, either. But I do want people to understand that these explosions of angry information accompanied with harassment or abuse that is seemingly intentionally confusing and unverifiable make them appear to be the bad guys.
People surrender to it, not "become informed." And that is the problem.
No, you being a male is not a "story" that no one bothers to verify and no, you are not in a "marginalized group". And Wesley "Laurelai" Bailey is still a rapist.Coffin said:I just want people to understand, you will not have agency over me. I will not attack people on twitter. I have no wish to dispose of anyone (I've made it very clear that is what I am against), but if people swarm my mentions I will block them.
I have been attacked by mobs on the internet since 2011 and if that shit starts up, I block. Just not going to go any other way.
I also want to address the idea of believing people in marginalized groups: What about when folks have different stories? What about when I have 4 different stories, and all but one get propagated by large numbers of people without the ability to verify anything on any "side."
I also really do not appreciate cis people telling me what to do as if I am also cis. That gets the block.
But beyond that, when a story is based on hearsay and there is no discernable power dynamic besides "the original parties involved all say horrible shit about each other and one side of it enlists people who simply take them at their word to spread their version." People want me to be the judge, jury and executioner and I'm not that. I am not here to cancel people on either side of an issue *I CAN NOT VERIFY ANYTHING ABOUT* If you think I am the appropriate person to end your fights, stop. If anyone is lying, you're killing a person.
Because the person in question is not some cis white dude with capital, social or otherwise. The person in question is another trans woman. So listening to trans women doesn't really lead us to anything other than an impasse here. My explicit position in some kind of issue like this is "I cannot be what you want me to be in this situation, regardless of which side you are on."
Folks aren't going to be satisfied with that. That's fine. You don't have to continue to follow and patrons do not have to continue being patrons. But I'm not going to respond to "dispose or be disposed of yourself" in this context. That's too much to lay at people's feet. I'm not a demagogue. I don't care about making an individual or group on Twitter look bad. I care about the system and how it works.