Agency Phase Connect General - /PCG/ - The Mostly Chinese Canadian Vtuber Agency

[merpalerpaherp]

I'ma be real, if anybody needs to go down this line it's Phase. The overly simpy mostly twitter portion of the fanbase is insanely cringe and probably bad for business, there's really no other way to go about shutting it down other than just completely cutting any tie that exists. If the company needs to grow, which it probably does then the mob mentality has to go as well and bragging about bullying someone into privating their twitter because you simp for a ceo is probably the right time to do it.

 

[Useful_Mistake]

I'ma be real, if anybody needs to go down this line it's Phase. The overly simpy mostly twitter portion of the fanbase is insanely cringe and probably bad for business, there's really no other way to go about shutting it down other than just completely cutting any tie that exists. If the company needs to grow, which it probably does then the mob mentality has to go as well and bragging about bullying someone into privating their twitter because you simp for a ceo is probably the right time to do it.

I genuinely wish bad things upon you. People like you are why everything sucks.

 

[merpalerpaherp]

I genuinely wish bad things upon you. People like you are why everything sucks.

Cool, thanks I suppose. Go join the simp army and annoy every indie about joining phase connect.

 

[oh no its pipkun]

I don't see why she couldn't ignore it. I mean, not the first time for Phase.

its an issue of legitimacy, whether its real or percieved. there's always been an air of phase being the home of alt-right vtuber over edgy jokes and dogwhistles and a long history of phase girls saying potential collab partners denying their requests because of that reputation.

It's just some hoe getting buttmad that people didn't choose cosplays from a list that existed in her mind alone, and for some retarded reason Phase fans are to blame.

and this where the landmines come in. because shiina (and i assume others like lia) want to keep their newfound status as a corp that can hire creatives and "models". shiina says she's afraid the backlash over this minor thing will prevent other cosplayers from wanting to take money from phase in the future. I understand protecting the brand.

but saying "you didn't lose any money" over a retarded engagement bait is hella gay.

I'ma be real, if anybody needs to go down this line it's Phase. The overly simpy mostly twitter portion of the fanbase is insanely cringe and probably bad for business, there's really no other way to go about shutting it down other than just completely cutting any tie that exists. If the company needs to grow, which it probably does then the mob mentality has to go as well and bragging about bullying someone into privating their twitter because you simp for a ceo is probably the right time to do it.

its that same fanbase that kept phase alive while others dissolved. its the rabid fanbase that willingly donates and pays for merch that pays the bills which expands the talent pool.

as for hiring cosplayers, 1 guy hired a couple cosplayers for last year's offkai, i dont think the cosplayer market is a seller's one. especially now that the economy is bad and recreational spending is on the continual decline.

again, kevski saying "dont tweet about it" was the smart move because it is alienating to be thrown under the bus over some rando they paid to cosplay. that dumb broad could've tweeted "ew fishman hate", still not cosplay him and would've gained a bigger fanbase. but she's not a fan of phase and doesnt get the dynamics.

 

[merpalerpaherp]

its that same fanbase that kept phase alive while others dissolved. its the rabid fanbase that willingly donates and pays for merch that pays the bills which expands the talent pool.

as for hiring cosplayers, 1 guy hired a couple cosplayers for last year's offkai, i dont think the cosplayer market is a seller's one. especially now that the economy is bad and recreational spending is on the decline

That's my point, it is good but it is also bad at the same time. If a vocal part of the fanbase wasn't so off-putting to people outside of the company it'd be a different story and I don't even mean it in any political way. It's posting like that twitter, going into indies chats and being a weird fuck about Phase Connect and the parasocial relationship some people seem to have built with the company.

If the company has any chance at snatching at up indies, etc. They have to put an end to that type of behavior from the fanbase, it just looks like Twitter artist made one tweet to many and probably became the example.

 

[Useful_Mistake]

its an issue of legitimacy, whether its real or percieved. there's always been an air of phase being the home of alt-right vtuber over edgy jokes and dogwhistles and a long history of phase girls saying potential collab partners denying their requests because of that reputation.


and this where the landmines come in. because shiina (and i assume others like lia) want to keep their newfound status as a corp that can hire creatives and "models". shiina says she's afraid the backlash over this minor thing will prevent other cosplayers from wanting to take money from phase in the future. I understand protecting the brand.

but saying "you didn't lose any money" over a retarded engagement bait is hella gay.

Spoiler: long rant

Phase and their talents owe everything to their fans. Fishman has been indispensable, no one denies that, but he could hardly keep this operation up without the fans. The talents ought to remember that. Phase isn't nearly as large at it appears and it is only due to endless boosting by the fans that Phase appears so all-encompassing. Pippa survives the alt right allegations not because of Fishman but because she has fans that support her.

There's a reason there's the saying of "don't bite the hand that feeds you". Shiina doesn't owe her fans subservience, but she owes them enough respect to only blame them for things they actually did. As does every other Phase talent.

People don't like Phase for its bureaucracy or for its status as a corporation. People like Phase for its talents and for management being chill enough to not interfere unless necessary (like Fishman wisely vetoing Pippa Nick collab WAAAY before there were any signs about Nick)

This whole bureaucratic blame method sucks. It won't work out well for Phase in the long run even if it is popular among corporations.

There is no "Phase brand". Conventions hate Phase no matter how much money Fishman throws at them. Obviously, I'm generalizing, but Phase is filled with women that no one else would hire. The appeal of Phase talents is that they are different - not normal. Phase talents don't do brand safe. Hell, one of the more recent streams Hime did was take her chat on a date while she played (too organically, I might add) a mentally ill landmine woman who threatened to kill herself and chat every dozen minutes. She will never be brand safe and if she ever were, she'd be discarded.

It sort of reminds me of this clip:

"I don't think they would [watch me if I was normal]...I don't think they are here for the normal...I tried to be normal, they hated it" -Shiina.

She would do well to remember that. There's dime a dozen "brand safe" girls on Tik Tok and Youtube, and there is a boatload independent vtubers that do nothing but spout acceptable opinions. They aren't popular. You don't watch an indian man getting hit by a train because you think that what the indian did was wise.

Please don't take this rant personally.

That's my point, it is good but it is also bad at the same time. If a vocal part of the fanbase wasn't so off-putting to people outside of the company it'd be a different story and I don't even mean it in any political way. It's posting like that twitter, going into indies chats and being a weird fuck about Phase Connect and the parasocial relationship some people seem to have built with the company.

If the company has any chance at snatching at up indies, etc. They have to put an end to that type of behavior from the fanbase, it just looks like Twitter artist made one tweet to many and probably became the example.

"Fans last" is a bad strategy that will make any company including Phase a shit hole. You are a retarded nigger if you think that Phase fans should be punished for not abiding by a ruleset that didn't exist. If the retarded cosplayer said "here's ten things I want to cosplay, choose one", that'd be that, but she didn't and agreed to do any cosplay. She didn't like the suggestions (non-Phase included). Another cosplayer came up which actually was willing to put up. And instead the fans are blamed for not being mind readers and cock suckers like you come here (cum still dripping down your fucking chin) and say "Yaas, Phase should blame the fans!" "Yass, Phase should lose all identity to import millions of non-notable indie talent"

Like, bro, what the fuck? Phase can snatch up popular indie talent when it wants too. If all they do is pointlessly expand then no one will give one shit about Phase anymore. I mean, fuck, they might as well fire all their talents right now to be brand safe. Or is Mari Mari "I jerk off and suck off dudes behind walmart" considered brand safe now? What about her endless jokes about Fentanyl including on her debut coffee stream?

 

[merpalerpaherp]

Fans last" is a bad strategy that will make any company including Phase a shit hole. You are a retarded nigger if you think that Phase fans should be punished for not abiding by a ruleset that didn't exist. If the retarded cosplayer said "here's ten things I want to cosplay, choose one", that'd be that, but she didn't and agreed to do any cosplay. She didn't like the suggestions (non-Phase included). Another cosplayer came up which actually was willing to put up. And instead the fans are blamed for not being mind readers and cock suckers like you come here (cum still dripping down your fucking chin) and say "Yaas, Phase should blame the fans!" "Yass, Phase should lose all identity to import millions of non-notable indie talent"

Like, bro, what the fuck? Phase can snatch up popular indie talent when it wants too. If all they do is pointlessly expand then no one will give one shit about Phase anymore. I mean, fuck, they might as well fire all their talents right now to be brand safe. Or is Mari Mari "I jerk off and suck off dudes behind walmart" considered brand safe now? What about her endless jokes about Fentanyl including on her debut coffee stream?

You're looking at in a hyper specific scenario compared to the larger scale.
I'm not saying whether this was or wasn't the right time or example to make because I don't know and it's to fucking early to go read all the xitter posts from him and whoever else.

Phase doesn't have to lose the streamer or brand identity in order community shift, it's better it doesn't otherwise it's every other corpo. They just have a large problem with over-invested fans that make the community look bad to outsiders whether that be losing collabs, sponsorships, recruitment, etc.

The weird part of the audience needs checked because ever since vShojo fell some parts of it have gotten insanely annoying to other streamers, xitter posts, reddit posts, clips, and whatever else. The guy in this situation may not have done anything that wrong and if he didn't post the xeet bragging about the person private it probably wouldn't have been to much but again, it's just going overboard for a xitter poll on some lewd cosplayer not wanting to be a fish. That is insane.

 

[whatsupwthat]

funny as fuck man, the "retarded thot's engagement bait backfires gate" was so minor but now shiina talked about it and elevated it to serious business.


and its why people are going to be mad at shiina for throwing the fans under the bus and rightly so. its one thing if the cosplayer was a random person, but she wasnt, phase paid her to cosplay at a con and she gained phase fans as fans for herself. ostensibly, the fans paid for the cosplayer to be a huge cunt. in the wnd kevski is the smartest person for not wanting to get involved with this shit.

to go your point, hardin-dono, shiina's point is the cosplayer is a creator who's allowed to have her little space. but kusa is also a creator. turns out the cosplayer is worth more because she got paid by phase.

and to say nothing about nameless and crisis' point of long time phase fans cum cosplayers being shut for ungreatful cunts, och nu, what a headache this all is, oy.

Bro Pipkun what the fuck are you talking about? This is about kttyp0wer and she wasn't hired by Phase at all, she IS a random person, and isn't tied to Phase.

 

[oh no its pipkun]

Please don't take this rant personally

oh i wont, its a clockwork topic

 

[Maniacal Foreigner]

This whole thing is gay and only reinforces my belief that all Vtuber corpos deserve to die (including the "good" ones like Phase) and the girls should be set free with the audiences they've built up and not be constrained by this retarded space's mores and idol culture baggage.

 

[whatsupwthat]

The guy in this situation may not have done anything that wrong and if he didn't post the xeet bragging about the person private it probably wouldn't have been to much but again, it's just going overboard for a xitter poll on some lewd cosplayer not wanting to be a fish. That is insane.

Read my first post in its entirety you fucking nigger. She was getting backlash for hiding replies and blocking people, pretending as if it didn't exist, not because she didn't want to cosplay Sakana. If she said "I don't want to cosplay Sakana" and got hate for it then yeah it's a shitty thing for Phase fans to do, but what happened was literally her getting shit on for not being transparent about her actions. Just because it was Kusa's post that was most liked but was ignored doesn't make it a Phase fan issue.

I wonder, will you say that Holo fans are at fault as well because of this? This post got 1million views.

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Kusa's post asking her to cosplay Sakana got 180k views. This other post making fun of the situation only got 360k.

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Most people who replied to her were just randoms who probably didn't even know who Sakana is, but just saw a dumb bitch get caught for lying and appropriately called it out.

 

[Useful_Mistake]

I'm not saying whether this was or wasn't the right time or example to make because I don't know and it's to fucking early to go read all the xitter posts from him and whoever else.

Then why the fuck are you even talking about it? We had a fucking convo about a specific topic and you butted in knowing, per your admission, nothing on the topic.

 

[BIG_BRAD]

Not trying to assign you homework, but it might be worthwhile to do an effortpost on it then. Seems like a lot of the information is spread out across multiple places, and that there are archives that maybe only you have?

I was just around in the same community and happened to see some of this stuff, so I don't really have anything saved other than that clip. I think most of that info would be in the 4chan /vt/ and /trash/ archives, or old Prince VODs.

Is there anything deeper than Mari pretending she wasn't this guys GF and that she's a femcel / not attracted to humans?

Other than allegedly lying about being underage when they started dating, not really. It's just easy for me to empathize with Prince because I also dated a vtuber from that community and got pretty much the same exact treatment lol. She knows you're a retarded internet troll dude, dates you anyway, tries to make you clean up your act and play nice with everyone, starts to resent you because you're a retarded internet troll dude, forces you to go into hiding because you reflect poorly on her, then dumps you and pretends you never existed to rake in more simp bux. It's inevitable and you deserve it for dating a vtuber in the first place, but it's also one of the worst kinds of hell you can be in. While it's insane behavior to rage against your ex and concoct revenge schemes against her, it's cathartic and extremely funny seeing him do it. Big fan of this arc.

 

[dick brain]

We can talk about NICE things!

 

[Light blue notebook]

Shiina is attacking Phase fans over some light jabbing on the internet that should have blown over by now?

I love mentally ill, young hag women that really don't understand the concept of don't bite the hand that feeds.

Spoiler

Phase and their talents owe everything to their fans. Fishman has been indispensable, no one denies that, but he could hardly keep this operation up without the fans. The talents ought to remember that. Phase isn't nearly as large at it appears and it is only due to endless boosting by the fans that Phase appears so all-encompassing. Pippa survives the alt right allegations not because of Fishman but because she has fans that support her.

There's a reason there's the saying of "don't bite the hand that feeds you". Shiina doesn't owe her fans subservience, but she owes them enough respect to only blame them for things they actually did. As does every other Phase talent.

People don't like Phase for its bureaucracy or for its status as a corporation. People like Phase for its talents and for management being chill enough to not interfere unless necessary (like Fishman wisely vetoing Pippa Nick collab WAAAY before there were any signs about Nick)

This whole bureaucratic blame method sucks. It won't work out well for Phase in the long run even if it is popular among corporations.

There is no "Phase brand". Conventions hate Phase no matter how much money Fishman throws at them. Obviously, I'm generalizing, but Phase is filled with women that no one else would hire. The appeal of Phase talents is that they are different - not normal. Phase talents don't do brand safe. Hell, one of the more recent streams Hime did was take her chat on a date while she played (too organically, I might add) a mentally ill landmine woman who threatened to kill herself and chat every dozen minutes. She will never be brand safe and if she ever were, she'd be discarded.

It sort of reminds me of this clip:
https://youtube.com/watch?v=oRGjV_0R4Ag"I don't think they would [watch me if I was normal]...I don't think they are here for the normal...I tried to be normal, they hated it" -Shiina.

She would do well to remember that. There's dime a dozen "brand safe" girls on Tik Tok and Youtube, and there is a boatload independent vtubers that do nothing but spout acceptable opinions. They aren't popular. You don't watch an indian man getting hit by a train because you think that what the indian did was wise.

This.

Anyone after the first generation should have known what kind of company, and fans that accompanied them, they signed on for.

People still hate Phase for Pippas early career, Jellys rants haven't helped much, Lumi is Lumi, do you think any other company would have let her do that redneck bar stream?

If Shiina doesn't like the trolls that Phase has had from the beginning, and that wasn't filtered early, well, there's the door, she won't find what she wants from Phase.

 

[jeff7989]

young women

Umm, she's a Hag. I agree with the rest.

 

[Ted's of Beverly Hills]

This is one of the few things I hate about vtubing in general - this sort of forced hatred of fans for breaking rules that are only there because japs have them. Well, and to, of course, selectively enforce them (if the rule is written out as not all are) and to then shit on your own fans. Go through any talents' ruleset and see if you can recall any being consistently enforced.

Ive dropped more than a few of them early on for nagging their viewers over Jap social etiquette autism that didn’t even exist for their target audiences. For some reason it seemed to be very common for Indonesian streamers to do this shit. I remember I stopped watching Hana Macchia for something along those lines.

 

[BathTubShine]

I'ma be real, if anybody needs to go down this line it's Phase. The overly simpy mostly twitter portion of the fanbase is insanely cringe and probably bad for business, there's really no other way to go about shutting it down other than just completely cutting any tie that exists. If the company needs to grow, which it probably does then the mob mentality has to go as well and bragging about bullying someone into privating their twitter because you simp for a ceo is probably the right time to do it.

 

[oh no its pipkun]

Bro Pipkun what the fuck are you talking about? This is about kttyp0wer and she wasn't hired by Phase at all, she IS a random person, and isn't tied to Phase.

shiina said she was hired on stream. 3:29:20ish or so shiina gives a brief recap to fill viewers in on the situation

 

[TrainWreckWatcher]

Doesn't seem like it's a company-wide ban though since Kusa was interacting with Pippa and Jelly before this stream happened.
It all just seems like a very bad look, because you have others like Luwud sexpesting everyone about Phase and he goes unpunished, but Kusa gets ostracized over the smallest controversy that he didn't even start. Sakana wasn't the only character she refused to cosplay as, and she hid the replies of a lot of people, and that's mostly the reason why she got shat on.

I find it odd they're adamant about defending cosplayers,. whose sole purpose in playing phase characters is to make money and attention. They don't care about phase at all. If they thought they could make more money or realized they could make more money playing hololive or something else. I am sure they would.

A true cosplayer like the OG Days before it became an only fans / fansly thing, would have seen the Sakana win and gone "Alright what can I do here to make this happen?" And either made a fish girl based off some of the sakana art that was going around or put on a fish costume for a meme joke.
But she's just after the attention and money, not putting thought or challenge into it.

Jelly would have been 100% justified in bringing down the hammer over all that jugget saga. I think everyone understands that.

Exactly. And some put their foot down outside Jelly.
Like you said its 50-50.
Its 50% the thot not honoring her word and rightfully being called out.
And its 50% autist fans going too far.
This may have just been the straw that broke the camels back in terms of too much going down that Shiina and Lia snapped and sadly Kusa took the flak for it.

no other way to go about shutting it down other than just completely cutting any tie that exists.

No, there's definitely better ways to go about this rather than cutting a limb off and bleeding out.
A lot of phase fans need to tone themselves down and realize they're going too far. But burning a bridge with a large chunk of your revenue is not the answer.

it's cathartic and extremely funny seeing him do it.

You got some issues you need to work out with yourself.

said she was hired on stream. 3:29:20ish or so shiina gives a brief recap to fill viewers in on the situation

This is correct, they were hired for offkai or some shit to cosplay as phase talents.
Any association beyond that should have ended until the next con honestly.
But Cosplayers aren't professional and liked the attention and saw it as a way to make more money so they kept cosplaying phase.