Philosophy Tube / Oliver Lennard / Oliver "Olly" Thorn / Abigail Thorn - Breadtube's Patrick Bateman.

[Shotgun Badger]

oh no.
i dont think we saw this. if anyone fancies braving it...


www.youtube.com/watch?v=nMlC-f975Ck


(you can see his weird concave Mac Tonight face when he angles himself sideways, manliness evident despite the best efforts of the Lucile filter he's got going when he's straight on)
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ughhh, the first few mins is just him bragging bout how well known he is and the most well known UK troon ''my friends* said apart from Sophie but SHES DEAD SO NOW I AM i mean boohoo tube sad ''

Compares trooning out to 'marryig into the Royal family :/
bruh..I . Mf realllly thinks he's K-Middy.

Holy shit! that's just made me realise..of course William and Kate went to St Andrews, I bet their shadow loomed large still in his time there.


He will have imbued this idea of a 'normal' (as far as he is- not current aristocracy, very rich parents, posh private school etc etc) person, goes to this university, marries the literal King to be, gets public adulation... you know how we talk about Troons trying to transform into the Stacey's and Ambers they used to wank over as schoolboy autists?


Huh. We've have found the psychoanalogical 'it'.

That seed will have been planted in his desperate desire for fame and seeing that exact route to get there during a formative time- Contra was just the drops of rain on that buried seed.

I peaced out after this revelation, as he starts on his party line about muh segregated nhs , I really cant be fucked with it.
-sorry if this is totally old news , I certainly didnt see it mentioned here but thats just me

Keeping track of Olly is useful just to be aware of the ridiculous tricks that troons use to look better on video. You're right, like just look at the insane degree of light exposure he has on his end of the camera compared to Owen Jones, it almost hurts to look at, so transparently a desperate attempt to make masculine features more difficult to discern when its like looking straight at a streetlight.

Also, lol, the way you put it, makes it sound like Olly had a hand in Sophie's death all so he could claim the coveted 'most famous trans person in Britain' (watch your backs Emily Willoughby, Katy Montgomery and of course, Paris Lees).

 

[fax machine]

if it is nabokov, i'd guess it's be Ada or Ardor, he's got a creepy obsession with that book

Our friend Joan from the Philosophy Tube subreddit agrees:


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It's everyone's guess because Ada is the one (1) novel he references again and again, as if it's the only novel he's ever read. (He also discussed Nabokov's Pale Fire in the art video last year. What else? I genuinely can't recall another.)

We also got a new bibliography.

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Three pages of this shit. Some 90 items. Going to watch the footy so I have no mind to dissect his bullshit right now.

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But he does actually read it!

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But before I go, let me just say that Effective Altruism (EA -- you're welcome) is such a silly topic for a deep dive. It's a very basic concept anyone should be able to intuitively grasp. Curious to see what he'll waffle on about but I still need to watch the NHS video.

The core concept of EA is basic, but the deranged corollary rationalizations developed to indulge the whims of its fiercest fans in Silicon Valley (longtermism, AGI risk obsession, earning to give) are a bottomless well of milk and popcorn. Now is as good a time as any to dive deep. Though of course Philosophy Tube has seldom shown a capacity for depth.

He's very proud of his reading speed for someone who never chews on the material long enough to convert it into a watchable video that generously considers the ideas rather than shortcutting to his gut level grievance through omissions, misrepresentations, and lies.

I suspect he'll pay lip service to the nobility of the movement's intentions while pouring scorn on its practices, most especially giving rich mfers moral license to build incredible wealth, seek regulations favorable to their hoards, and fund whatever quixotic ventures spark their fancy under the aegis of Humanity's Greater Good. But will he find it in himself to appreciate the real good as well as the bad? Will he put his money where his mouth is, as he did for the last video, and donate the proceeds to GiveWell's top charities? lol dream on.

After watching his NHS video I doubt he's going to be "even-handed". Even if Effective Altruism has many flaws people have pointed out over the years, he's going to find the wrong reasons for them.

Precisely. There are plenty of substantial criticisms to make of EA, but PT is the type to get mad because it pops his little bubble of egomaniacal fixations and gestures at the immensity of suffering beyond. It says: your money would do more material good buying and distributing Vitamin A supplements and malaria nets than it does funding such vague initiatives as "public engagement" and "staff training" and "student workshops" and "consultancy," which in practice boil down to a doomed public influence campaign in an area — trans issues — where opinions are too entrenched to change with sermons. That's just common sense. Hard to dispute. But it makes him feel like less than the shining champion of the greatest civil rights battle of our time, so he'll pucker up his mouth very small and spit venom at the offending ideas.

The irony is that he thinks exactly like most insufferable EAs: the ones who insist that their personal niche interests are the Most Important and Morally Righteous Things in the World. What's the difference between "trans genocide" and "human extinction via superintelligent AGI"? The catastrophizing, the melodramatic storytelling, the exaggerations of certainty and harm... grandiose daydreams are everywhere the same. Fund ME, believe ME, side with ME without solid evidence or you're WRONG and we will DIE.

 

[Stupid Sexy Flanders]

Honestly, if it's Nabokov and Ada or Ardor he wanted to do then he's even higher on his own farts than I thought. Sure always aim high, but ultimately he's a no one "influencer"/YouTuber. Considering it's never been adapted and very few of Nabokov's work have been, I don't see why they would let Olly do it; it's hardly as he's the first whose had the thought to do it and he lacks of all credentials that they'd probably like. His "manager" must've really been rolling their eyes behind his back (then again we know they literally didn't help him track down the right guy initially so...).

 

[White-Kettle Shufflepunk]

For those who don't know, Ada or Ardor is an alternate history sort of thing about a couple on a parallel world. Who are also brother and sister. Yeah. I feel this is the most plausible answer, but I'm going to pretend he's actually trying to adapt the poem Nabokov wrote about incel Superman bemoaning that his cum would kill any mortal woman he nutted inside.

 

[grapeshark77]

If it's actually Ada than everything is retroactively funnier, from Olly getting a flat NO without even asking to read the script, or his idea that this will bring "awareness" and "money" to the Nabokov IP. Also that agent who turned him down is a big shot in the industry. Whatever the book is, I hope he keeps trying and makes a fool out of himself.

 

[AssignedEva]

Our friend Joan from the Philosophy Tube subreddit agrees:

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It's everyone's guess because Ada is the one (1) novel he references again and again, as if it's the only novel he's ever read. (He also discussed Nabokov's Pale Fire in the art video last year. What else? I genuinely can't recall another.)


The core concept of EA is basic, but the deranged corollary rationalizations developed to indulge the whims of its fiercest fans in Silicon Valley (longtermism, AGI risk obsession, earning to give) are a bottomless well of milk and popcorn. Now is as good a time as any to dive deep. Though of course Philosophy Tube has seldom shown a capacity for depth.

He's very proud of his reading speed for someone who never chews on the material long enough to convert it into a watchable video that generously considers the ideas rather than shortcutting to his gut level grievance through omissions, misrepresentations, and lies.

I suspect he'll pay lip service to the nobility of the movement's intentions while pouring scorn on its practices, most especially giving rich mfers moral license to build incredible wealth, seek regulations favorable to their hoards, and fund whatever quixotic ventures spark their fancy under the aegis of Humanity's Greater Good. But will he find it in himself to appreciate the real good as well as the bad? Will he put his money where his mouth is, as he did for the last video, and donate the proceeds to GiveWell's top charities? lol dream on.


Precisely. There are plenty of substantial criticisms to make of EA, but PT is the type to get mad because it pops his little bubble of egomaniacal fixations and gestures at the immensity of suffering beyond. It says: your money would do more material good buying and distributing Vitamin A supplements and malaria nets than it does funding such vague initiatives as "public engagement" and "staff training" and "student workshops" and "consultancy," which in practice boil down to a doomed public influence campaign in an area — trans issues — where opinions are too entrenched to change with sermons. That's just common sense. Hard to dispute. But it makes him feel like less than the shining champion of the greatest civil rights battle of our time, so he'll pucker up his mouth very small and spit venom at the offending ideas.

The irony is that he thinks exactly like most insufferable EAs: the ones who insist that their personal niche interests are the Most Important and Morally Righteous Things in the World. What's the difference between "trans genocide" and "human extinction via superintelligent AGI"? The catastrophizing, the melodramatic storytelling, the exaggerations of certainty and harm... grandiose daydreams are everywhere the same. Fund ME, believe ME, side with ME without solid evidence or you're WRONG and we will DIE.

Yeah was going to say that Sam Bankman-Freid used to bang on all the time about effective altruism and so it's timely - once FTX went tits up he basically openly admitted that he was paying ethics lip service to get away with hoarding wealth.

Kinda like Ollie pays various stances on ethics and liberation lip service to try and hoard fame and attention (and fails miserably).

 

[Shotgun Badger]

If it's actually Ada than everything is retroactively funnier, from Olly getting a flat NO without even asking to read the script, or his idea that this will bring "awareness" and "money" to the Nabokov IP. Also that agent who turned him down is a big shot in the industry. Whatever the book is, I hope he keeps trying and makes a fool out of himself.

Here's what I want to know, is whinging on Twitter actually helping his case at all? On one hand I can't imagine anybody serious in the industry being impressed at all by such an absurdly unprofessional, narc injured display. On the other, it could probably prompt moral outrage from Olly's dumb fans that their queen was denied his magnum opus, which could pressure the IP holder into yielding. Of course that would do nothing to improve Olly's long term image as a snively drama queen who tries to mobilize his paypigs to get what he wants.

 

[grapeshark77]

Here's what I want to know, is whinging on Twitter actually helping his case at all? On one hand I can't imagine anybody serious in the industry being impressed at all by such an absurdly unprofessional, narc injured display. On the other, it could probably prompt moral outrage from Olly's dumb fans that their queen was denied his magnum opus, which could pressure the IP holder into yielding. Of course that would do nothing to improve Olly's long term image as a snively drama queen who tries to mobilize his paypigs to get what he wants.

If it's a serious person (using Nabokov and the agent who according to Wikipedia is one of the biggest ever as an example) then not only will it not help at all but will also make Olly look unprofessional. That's why I assumed it couldn't be that, but I underestimated his ego.

If the author's name is big enough that it is needed to sell the project then no amount of PhilosophyTube fans can do anything. He shouldn't have said anything to begin with.

 

[AfghanBlue]

Here's what I want to know, is whinging on Twitter actually helping his case at all? On one hand I can't imagine anybody serious in the industry being impressed at all by such an absurdly unprofessional, narc injured display. On the other, it could probably prompt moral outrage from Olly's dumb fans that their queen was denied his magnum opus, which could pressure the IP holder into yielding. Of course that would do nothing to improve Olly's long term image as a snively drama queen who tries to mobilize his paypigs to get what he wants.

There’s literally retards in his replies saying shit lke “time to try kidnap and torture “

 

[Mudkipcorn]

If it's a serious person (using Nabokov and the agent who according to Wikipedia is one of the biggest ever as an example) then not only will it not help at all but will also make Olly look unprofessional. That's why I assumed it couldn't be that, but I underestimated his ego.

If the author's name is big enough that it is needed to sell the project then no amount of PhilosophyTube fans can do anything. He shouldn't have said anything to begin with.

It's definitely Ada. I am 100% convinced. Like you I assumed it couldn't be because Nabokov isn't obscure in the slightest. Ada is compared to Lolita and Pale Fire and the short stories but Nabakov doesn't need any 'boost' in the popular consciousness. He's one of the 100 most-known writers of the last century. Olly is a self-inflated fool. You're last lines are spot on.

I haven't read the novel so though I like what I've read of Nabokov, I don't have any particular attachment to that story. I wonder if this arc will go anywhere. Will he keep at it, giving us tweet-based insights into his struggle against the literary/television establishments? Perhaps. Will it actually get made? Certainly not. But what I really hope for is an outcome where he finds some other story (or makes his own aping one) that he actually can adapt and we get to watch those efforts burn up in mediocrity.

@AfghanBlue Loving those, and the others saying to just do it anyway.

 

[AfghanBlue]

It's definitely Ada. I am 100% convinced. Like you I assumed it couldn't be because Nabokov isn't obscure in the slightest. Ada is compared to Lolita and Pale Fire and the short stories but Nabakov doesn't need any 'boost' in the popular consciousness. He's one of the 100 most-known writers of the last century. Olly is a self-inflated fool. You're last lines are spot on.

I haven't read the novel so though I like what I've read of Nabokov, I don't have any particular attachment to that story. I wonder if this arc will go anywhere. Will he keep at it, giving us tweet-based insights into his struggle against the literary/television establishments? Perhaps. Will it actually get made? Certainly not. But what I really hope for is an outcome where he finds some other story (or makes his own aping one) that he actually can adapt and we get to watch those efforts burn up in mediocrity.

We know he’s still seething about Contra and that Narcs don’t just give up, wHen they have tried for a reaction and - horror of horrors- been flatly, totally, repeatedly ignored.

He’d LOVE to ‘have’ that book , and all the adulation and excitement attached to adapting it, , as he has imbued it with incredible importance to contra as it was around at the time and it’s all he’s had left to stew on. I doubt Contra gives THAT much of a fuck about it in the bigger picture, but it’s part of Ol Lies psychodrama that it is a huge deal



Just mega cringing at the idea of Tube gallumphing in, trying to tell them how he can help lil poor old Nabokov be known!! By like people!
Showing himself to be the tasteless uncultured unaware swine that no amount of Paying a Stylist can disguise- fool doesn’t realise one should not NEED a stylist, but that’s a microcosm of Olly.

Honestly I’d like to see - or read preferably-a Nabokovian dramatic examination of modern AGP, that would be a very interesting project.
Contra should do the junky classic and become a writer. Better than a fading cringeinducing wAnnabe zoomer ‘influencer’ like Tube, making shallow crap

 

[The Jackal]

I Googled "literary agents who own estates" and found one but it's too over the top even for Olly (Andrew Wylie runs the Wylie Agency who owns the Nabokov rights, which brought to mind the Lolita video).

It's a famously impossible-to-get-hold-of IP, so if that was it then he only has his narcissistic delusions of grandeur to blame. There's no way a TRA retelling of Nabokov's work would ever be permitted. Also, the comments about helping the author get name recognition would be incomprehensibly retarded.

Ian Fleming's work is also owned by an agency, and we know he has an attachment to James Bond. Hard to believe even Olly could have convinced himself that getting his hands on the rights to a Bond adaptation would be remotely possible.

Whether it's Nabokov or not, Andrew Wylie is a good bet for the identity of the archvillain Olly believes is out to ruin his life. He controls the rights to tons of famous dead authors' works - Kerouac, Waugh, di Lampedusa, Kingsley Amis, Vonnegut, Isherwood, Hunter Thompson, Camus, Roth, etc, etc. Full list here: http://www.wylieagency.com/clients.html

The only problem is that Olly claims the rightsholder has been very difficult to get in touch with, which suggests someone outside the industry. Either that or Wylie didn't even notice or just ignored his emails, and the idea that he actually isn't an important artist who deserves everyone's attention simply doesn't compute in Olly's mind.

Ada doesn't seem such a good bet to me. Surely he'd go for something more troony? Like Virginia Woolf's Orlando for example (rights also controlled by Wylie).

 

[Shotgun Badger]

It's a famously impossible-to-get-hold-of IP, so if that was it then he only has his narcissistic delusions of grandeur to blame. There's no way a TRA retelling of Nabokov's work would ever be permitted. Also, the comments about helping the author get name recognition would be incomprehensibly retarded.

Ian Fleming's work is also owned by an agency, and we know he has an attachment to James Bond. Hard to believe even Olly could have convinced himself that getting his hands on the rights to a Bond adaptation would be remotely possible.

Whether it's Nabokov or not, Andrew Wylie is a good bet for the identity of the archvillain Olly believes is out to ruin his life. He controls the rights to tons of famous dead authors' works - Kerouac, Waugh, di Lampedusa, Kingsley Amis, Vonnegut, Isherwood, Hunter Thompson, Camus, Roth, etc, etc. Full list here: http://www.wylieagency.com/clients.html

The only problem is that Olly claims the rightsholder has been very difficult to get in touch with, which suggests someone outside the industry. Either that or Wylie didn't even notice or just ignored his emails, and the idea that he actually isn't an important artist who deserves everyone's attention simply doesn't compute in Olly's mind.

Ada doesn't seem such a good bet to me. Surely he'd go for something more troony? Like Virginia Woolf's Orlando for example (rights also controlled by Wylie).

Orlando actually seems like a very good bet, right up his alley. Of course it makes the idea that he's providing name recognition even more laughable, famously obscure novelist and queer icon Virginia Woolf, desperately in need of Olly to get her name out there for the masses.

 

[AfghanBlue]

It's a famously impossible-to-get-hold-of IP, so if that was it then he only has his narcissistic delusions of grandeur to blame. There's no way a TRA retelling of Nabokov's work would ever be permitted. Also, the comments about helping the author get name recognition would be incomprehensibly retarded.

Ian Fleming's work is also owned by an agency, and we know he has an attachment to James Bond. Hard to believe even Olly could have convinced himself that getting his hands on the rights to a Bond adaptation would be remotely possible.

Whether it's Nabokov or not, Andrew Wylie is a good bet for the identity of the archvillain Olly believes is out to ruin his life. He controls the rights to tons of famous dead authors' works - Kerouac, Waugh, di Lampedusa, Kingsley Amis, Vonnegut, Isherwood, Hunter Thompson, Camus, Roth, etc, etc. Full list here: http://www.wylieagency.com/clients.html

The only problem is that Olly claims the rightsholder has been very difficult to get in touch with, which suggests someone outside the industry. Either that or Wylie didn't even notice or just ignored his emails, and the idea that he actually isn't an important artist who deserves everyone's attention simply doesn't compute in Olly's mind.

Ada doesn't seem such a good bet to me. Surely he'd go for something more troony? Like Virginia Woolf's Orlando for example (rights also controlled by Wylie).

I had personally not thought it was Nabokov due to Olly's comments about it being 'good for the author/profile raising' which are immeasurably retarded...but it is Olly..and it is the obvious choice.
And he DOES always do the cliche'd thing.
when you combine it with the weird little narc power pulls he think's it plays on his ex gf and Contra..

I dunno. I dont care at all tbh.
I just enjoy that he doesn't get his target.

 

[AssignedEva]

Orlando actually seems like a very good bet, right up his alley. Of course it makes the idea that he's providing name recognition even more laughable, famously obscure novelist and queer icon Virginia Woolf, desperately in need of Olly to get her name out there for the masses.

That'd also make sense with a "first edition of the book" with photos in being a massive deal as a present.

It was basically a love letter to Vita Sackville-West, who couldn't inherit her family's estate due to being a woman and the gender bending was because any depiction of bisexuality would never have made it past the censors.

If you were Claire trying to woo Ollie, it'd be the perfect choice. Posho aristocrat favoured by literal Royalty? Check. Suffering, misunderstood artist? Check. Sensitive soul brutally heartbroken by an unfeeling Contrapoints Russian princess? Check. Magically turning into a beautiful woman, surprising everyone? Check. A first edition costing £300 and representing something that is commonly understood to be high culture? Check.

I'd love for Ollie to make a terrible TV miniseries adaptation of Orlando just so we could draw mean comparisons with Tilda Swinton's excellent performance in the 1992 movie.

 

[The Jackal]

That'd also make sense with a "first edition of the book" with photos in being a massive deal as a present.

Can confirm that the first edition does have photos in it:

I dunno. I dont care at all tbh.
I just enjoy that he doesn't get his target.

I care to the extent that it pains me to see him bastardising someone else's hard work, and that his ego's big enough already without a TV series under his belt.

@AssignedEva makes a strong argument that it might be a good hatewatch though if it's a total trainwreck. Especially if Olly casts himself in the lead (which he absolutely would).

 

[Shotgun Badger]

If it was Orlando, its worth pointing out that Olly regularly tries to say that he doesn't want to be purely known as that trans creator who makes stuff exclusively about trans topics, so it seems likely that it really is Orlando because of course that is clearly total bullshit and being the token troon is the sole thing his career is built off of now.

 

[AfghanBlue]

That'd also make sense with a "first edition of the book" with photos in being a massive deal as a present.

It was basically a love letter to Vita Sackville-West, who couldn't inherit her family's estate due to being a woman and the gender bending was because any depiction of bisexuality would never have made it past the censors.

If you were Claire trying to woo Ollie, it'd be the perfect choice. Posho aristocrat favoured by literal Royalty? Check. Suffering, misunderstood artist? Check. Sensitive soul brutally heartbroken by an unfeeling Contrapoints Russian princess? Check. Magically turning into a beautiful woman, surprising everyone? Check. A first edition costing £300 and representing something that is commonly understood to be high culture? Check.

I'd love for Ollie to make a terrible TV miniseries adaptation of Orlando just so we could draw mean comparisons with Tilda Swinton's excellent performance in the 1992 movie.

Olly doing a shit BBC3 tier version of something already excellently realised, starring Tilda Swinton and even Quentin Crisp, would be totally in his alley- BUT, i'm sure he's making a big deal of the fact it's never been adapted .

He might just be too big a dumbo to know about it, but I think it'll be something that hasnt been done on screen yet.

 

[AfghanBlue]

OOOF.
Presenting: an Olly Paypig

featuring: all the teenage never-not-online loser, no personality, autistic!disabled!genderspecial! classis, but one absolute horror factor-
tihs bitch is THIRTY TWO YEARS OLD.

https://twitter.com/oh_so_joy

 

[Tombigbee]

So the latest episode of Kill James Bond was just with Oliver and “Alice.” Though I usually go the extra mile to milk lulz from Oliver, I’ve drawn the line at that dumbass podcast. However I thought it might be interesting to listen when it’s just the two of them. Then I saw this on Olly’s tumblr:



So that’s why Devon (the pretend non-binary) wasn’t there, I guess.

I did try to listen to the episode (which dissects RoboCop 2) but it was too boring to keep listening. However I did want to say that of the two, Oliver is WAY more annoying, smug, and (no surprise) egotistical. And did you know that “Alice” makes no attempt (that I could discern) to modulate his voice? Sounds like he just uses his normal male voice, which, I actually found refreshing, at least in the context of listening to a podcast. Oliver sounds so stupid using his laydee voice so even when he’s not saying something obnoxious and solipsistic, he still sounds like a fraudulent asshole. It struck me how frequently Oliver interrupted “Alice.” I guess I’m used to how much of a PoS he is, but it really drives it home when I found (degenerate freak) “Alice” borderline charming by comparison.

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