Plymouth shooting: Multiple fatalities in Keyham

[DumbDude42]

Sex with virgin women isn't seen as superior; you just don't have to "deal with a past"/be compared to exes. Anyone can be terrible in bed, whether they've fucked 100+ people or 0. Age has been phased out completely, because women are attending colleges more, fucking earlier, and getting dicked out by the same rotation more in their physical prime years (18-25). More men are virgins now at that same age, and women cheat more during that time. 21 yrs old is also seen as "old", because the cock carousel ages a lot of these girls, and that's 2-3 years into college for most.

The sex that was thought to be "unique" and "special" applies to low body count and virgin women. The appeal lies in the lack of dudes that came before.



I'll explain what they're saying. Sex and relationships have become more tit-for-tat in the age of "equality" and online dating. It's what influences and inspires incels, red pill, MGTOW, etc. Most women seem to want dudes who are 6 feet/6 inches/6 figures (or close to), and nearly anything else comes off as "settling", despite being an overwhelmingly low group of men. They will share whoever is top dog with these demands, then once they need stability as they age out, they'll lower their unreasonable standards to what would be the crowd of incels/simps/MGTOWs/etc., mostly average dudes who were overlooked and jaded. It's not genuine love or adoration when explained from this view. Guys with all those options don't usually commit, but the guys who've gotten none or little are chomping at the bit. The same scenario can't be reversed, because men expecting anything from women in current age is "sexist", which just adds fuel to the flames. Also, men don't have simps, so our value can't be inflated for existing.

i think the reason for wanting a virign is usually very simple.
think of it this way: if she's your number 1, but you're her number 46, does she really value you to the same extent that you value her? are you as special to her as she is to you? the answer is of course no.

 

[Caesare]

this is a huge mistake tbh

exposing kids to these concepts, no matter how much they try to spin it in an "INCEL BAD MKAY" way, is only gonna do more damage long term by bringing more negative attention down on the quiet/shy/beta kid in class while simultaneously telling that kid "hey there's others like you and we are very afraid of them and they can be found on the internet"

if this is implemented on a large scale it will probably result in a surge of new recruits/converts flocking to incel communities and aligning with their nihilism

OF COURSE, the UK would implement something retarded like this. "Relationships and hatred of women". I thought the problem was they were interested in women but didn't have the social skills and were too depressed to acquire any?

I suppose the relationship part is okay, but I have no faith in their ability to handle it properly.

but also through their safeguarding duties, supporting staff to identify young people that may be at risk of radicalisation.

How the hell do they plan to do this? The teacher's aren't mindreaders and I don't suppose any student is going to admit they may have had any thoughts like this when a crazy person just recently murdered his own mother, a baby, and a crowd of bystanders.

I bet they do it exactly like they do everything else current year: they rely on ratting and people turning one another in, probably a lot of "did you see Timmy's Instagram? He's definitely about to blow up the school of we don't stop him."

 

[Judge Dredd]

Who cares if someone had a few relationships before settling down, like how does that cause incels

Linkin Park answered this better than I can, but I want to clarify something.

In a monogamous society, as people pair off, they're removed from the dating pool. They tend to marry younger, or at least meet when they're young. Ask any long married couple. Chances are they met young, even if they didn't get together until later.

As Linkin Park said, in current year, the perception is that everyone is sleeping around and you can't blame anyone for that or else you're -ist and -phobe. Removing the people who paired off into marriage, the remaining options are a free-for-all. Women want the top guys, and will either share him (by allowing him to bounce between relationships every other day or week) or failing that, will get what they need from a number of men. String along a simp or sugar daddy for financial support, date a criminal for his looks or "bad boy" image, etc.

The end result it seems like a large number of women are having sex with a small percentage of men, and many of those men seem like bad dating material. Which can make incels bitter when they take the advice that a nice personality, good sense of humour, and maybe a little self improvement is all you need to get a girlfriend.

Any incel that gets a successful career, they refuse to settle for being a cash machine for the kinds of women that turned him down, and only want his money to raise another mans child.

The sex that was thought to be "unique" and "special" applies to low body count and virgin women. The appeal lies in the lack of dudes that came before.

That's not how it's presented by the culture. eg. Sex over 40 being described as "Throwing a hotdog down a long hallway". It's hard to see that as describing a lack of emotional baggage.

Taking that same logic and applying it in reverse. Being told over and over and over by media, society, and possibly friends and colleges that teen sex is some kind of life changing event that can't be replicated, his crazed rants about drugs and his life being over at 22 make a lot more sense.

 

[Vince McMahon]

Who cares if someone had a few relationships before settling down, like how does that cause incels

Define "a few". 1 or 2 or 3 is fine. It's not the best but it's not the end of the world. But when you have someone who's had multiple partners before they've encountered you - do you really think you're not going to be compared and stacked against their exes?

It's not virginity per se, it's that you're both going to be exploring your relationship and your bodies together. This also ties into another point - no sex before marriage is meant to strengthen the relationship you're having with someone and find more about the person you want to commit to, before tying yourself to that person for life.

 

[Linkin Park]

Linkin Park answered this better than I can, but I want to clarify something.

In a monogamous society, as people pair off, they're removed from the dating pool. They tend to marry younger, or at least meet when they're young. Ask any long married couple. Chances are they met young, even if they didn't get together until later.

As Linkin Park said, in current year, the perception is that everyone is sleeping around and you can't blame anyone for that or else you're -ist and -phobe. Removing the people who paired off into marriage, the remaining options are a free-for-all. Women want the top guys, and will either share him (by allowing him to bounce between relationships every other day or week) or failing that, will get what they need from a number of men. String along a simp or sugar daddy for financial support, date a criminal for his looks or "bad boy" image, etc.

The end result it seems like a large number of women are having sex with a small percentage of men, and many of those men seem like bad dating material. Which can make incels bitter when they take the advice that a nice personality, good sense of humour, and maybe a little self improvement is all you need to get a girlfriend.

Any incel that gets a successful career, they refuse to settle for being a cash machine for the kinds of women that turned him down, and only want his money to raise another mans child.



That's not how it's presented by the culture. eg. Sex over 40 being described as "Throwing a hotdog down a long hallway". It's hard to see that as describing a lack of emotional baggage.

Taking that same logic and applying it in reverse. Being told over and over and over by media, society, and possibly friends and colleges that teen sex is some kind of life changing event that can't be replicated, his crazed rants about drugs and his life being over at 22 make a lot more sense.

Most women in the dating pool over 40 are worn out, desperate, and/or single mothers who've lost their ability to be emotionally available for their kids, let alone, you. Baby daddy drama is the norm for that age, not because of age, but the fact that these mothers don't get their shit together, breed with retards, and will do anything to "feel youthful again". Infantilization/simping throughout life + numerous imprints by various men, while not being able to keep one is a disaster, and they know it.

It's why they are throwing the box at anything that validates them, and why they try to play up the MILF fantasies if they can attract younger men. Women already do the "revenge sex"/break-up banging to a large degree after failed relationships, and it doesn't really stop once started. College phase can't be relived, menopause is coming or came, and they need a meal ticket. 40 year old virgin women are nearly extinct, and same goes for low body counts, because they fuck before marriage and relationships.

 

[sper]

String along a simp or sugar daddy for financial support, date a criminal for his looks or "bad boy" image, etc.

Who does that? I literally don’t know anyone. Maybe it’s more common in the precariat?
I mean if you can’t with your best efforts (what I mean is actively looking for a relationship, being eligible by having a stable job) get a woman, I wonder if you probably need psychological help or wouldn’t have gotten a woman 50 years ago either? Because all women I know want to get married (and not at 40 lol).

I just remembered btw that one theory that made sense to me was that marriage/monogamy is on the decline for economic reasons.

 

[mold]

I just realized something: I'm in the middle of a snarl of middle aged divorces and all the dudes have the incel disease even though at least until recently they were getting regularly laid (and some of them could pull very young very hot tail if they wanted and possibly were doing so, I know some scummy people). By which I mean: they feel they have no control of their lives, they will actively tell you how women control everything, they react to the tiniest bits of stress by shutting down and isolating, and their personalities are becoming so toxic that they are increasingly unable to hold conversations.

These are more or less successful middle aged men and maybe things wouldn't have gone so sideways for them if lockdown hadn't happened. I definitely think that's a factor. But what's weird about it is how similar their behavior is.

A specific example is a guy I know who got mad at his wife because she got a new job and her work schedule started to affect his work schedule. Now this is a reasonable thing to be mad at your partner about and I don't know if she was inconsiderate originally. But looking from the outside at his behavior since getting mad, every step he takes is as if designed to 1) scare her and make her think he's too unstable to continue living with and 2) isolate him from other people, eg, throwing a tantrum and reducing his hours by 50% in order to never have to negotiate with her about who's on duty for childcare at all.

That's just one example of one guy. I'm suddenly realizing all these guys are reducing or completely stopping work and they are increasingly never leaving the house.

 

[DumbDude42]

they feel they have no control of their lives, they will actively tell you how women control everything, they react to the tiniest bits of stress by shutting down and isolating, and their personalities are becoming so toxic that they are increasingly unable to hold conversations.

That's just one example of one guy. I'm suddenly realizing all these guys are reducing or completely stopping work and they are increasingly never leaving the house.

it's a common response to getting blackpilled, they even have a special acronym for it: they call it LDAR (lay down and rot) and it basically means giving up on life, checking out of society, and dwelling in isolation for the rest of your existence.

their reasoning is that their future is doomed and they have nothing to live for so there's no point in doing anything at all, might as well NEET yourself to death

 

[Judge Dredd]

Who does that? I literally don’t know anyone. Maybe it’s more common in the precariat?

No one I know does that either. I don't know any thots, simps, or wife beaters either but there is no shortage of those on the internet or heard about through third hand stories. There is lies the problem though. I keep using vague words like "seems" and "feels like" because this is a general impression I get, sometimes backed up by statistics, sometimes just common stories on the internet.

It makes sense though, since a guy who going through his sixth divorce by age 35, or the PUA with dozens of notches on his belt, there has to be someone on the other side of those events.

 

[Linkin Park]

Who does that? I literally don’t know anyone. Maybe it’s more common in the precariat?
I mean if you can’t with your best efforts (what I mean is actively looking for a relationship, being eligible by having a stable job) get a woman, I wonder if you probably need psychological help or wouldn’t have gotten a woman 50 years ago either? Because all women I know want to get married (and not at 40 lol).

I just remembered btw that one theory that made sense to me was that marriage/monogamy is on the decline for economic reasons.

How old are you and the average women around you? Chicks are always stringing along a horde of simps in their physical prime years lol They don't reach into that bin unless their options are low or they're bored. A lot of them are blatantly dishonest about it too. Sugar daddies are less prominent, but I'm not sure if that's because the sugar daddies' lack of volume approaching women or women declining.

No one I know does that either. I don't know any thots, simps, or wife beaters either but there is no shortage of those on the internet or heard about through third hand stories. There is lies the problem though. I keep using vague words like "seems" and "feels like" because this is a general impression I get, sometimes backed up by statistics, sometimes just common stories on the internet.

It makes sense though, since a guy who going through his sixth divorce by age 35, or the PUA with dozens of notches on his belt, there has to be someone on the other side of those events.

You definitely know some simps. One of the most universal things on this Earth besides death and taxes are dudes overextending and kissing the ground women walk on, because they have vaginas. Same with thots and needing validation.

 

[sper]

How old are you and the average women around you? Chicks are always stringing along a horde of simps in their physical prime years lol They don't reach into that bin unless their options are low or they're bored. A lot of them are blatantly dishonest about it too. Sugar daddies are less prominent, but I'm not sure if that's because the sugar daddies' lack of volume approaching women or women declining.



You definitely know some simps. One of the most universal things on this Earth besides death and taxes are dudes overextending and kissing the ground women walk on, because they have vaginas. Same with thots and needing validation.

Early twenties

 

[mold]

it's a common response to getting blackpilled, they even have a special acronym for it: they call it LDAR (lay down and rot) and it basically means giving up on life, checking out of society, and dwelling in isolation for the rest of your existence.

their reasoning is that their future is doomed and they have nothing to live for so there's no point in doing anything at all, might as well NEET yourself to death

these are middle aged guys whose lives are mostly working for them though, except they're bound and determine to fuck them up good. that's the weird thing. they are 100% causing their own problems, by reacting to normal interpersonal friction with their ladies in a way that would be immature if a 10yo did it.

it struck me that even though these are sex-havers, it's incredibly similar to incel energy. it's even worse than "I've tried nothing and nothing works."

 

[sper]

No one I know does that either. I don't know any thots, simps, or wife beaters either but there is no shortage of those on the internet or heard about through third hand stories. There is lies the problem though. I keep using vague words like "seems" and "feels like" because this is a general impression I get, sometimes backed up by statistics, sometimes just common stories on the internet.

It makes sense though, since a guy who going through his sixth divorce by age 35, or the PUA with dozens of notches on his belt, there has to be someone on the other side of those events.

I mean not necessarily? If you assume he had six marriages and the six women all only dated him I guess; but that seems like a weird scenario. In general I get the idea though.

 

[DumbDude42]

these are middle aged guys whose lives are mostly working for them though, except they're bound and determine to fuck them up good. that's the weird thing. they are 100% causing their own problems, by reacting to normal interpersonal friction with their ladies in a way that would be immature if a 10yo did it.

it struck me that even though these are sex-havers, it's incredibly similar to incel energy. it's even worse than "I've tried nothing and nothing works."

didnt you just say they're all in the middle of getting divorced? doesn't sound like their lives are 'mostly working' to me

like, if you're getting cucked out of your family by divorce, not only do you lose your family, but your job also loses most of its purpose and meaning (providing for your family) which means you basically have nothing of value left in your life, and starting a new family as a 40+ year old divorcee usually isn't an option unless you're super rich, so basically at that point your life is done for

 

[mold]

didnt you just say they're all in the middle of getting divorced? doesn't sound like their lives are 'mostly working' to me

the divorces are being caused by this behavior, not the other way around

 

[Ponglenis]

What most incels actually want is validation and actual love from another human being, sex being a byproduct of that. That's one of the reason they don't "just go to a prostitute" and why some of them report not feeling any better after seeing one.

A very small minority of them have ridiculously high standards (let alone go on a shooting spree) like this guy and Elliot Rodger, the heavily narcissist type maybe? I'm sure their porn addictions didn't help lower their standards and them clinging to that dream of that one perfect barely legal blonde 10/10 dream girlfriend.

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This Jake guy had pretty high potential actually. He's one of the few "incels" who would have greatly benefited from losing weight (instead of just adding bloat) and other looksmaxxes. He wasn't balding, had a good bone structure visible even under all the fat, good eye area, good beard genetics, etc. But of course he had mental issues and as we all know reading "black pill" content 24/7 like he did won't make anyone's situation any better.

 

[mold]

This Jake guy had pretty high potential actually. He's one of the few "incels" who would have greatly benefited from losing weight (instead of just adding bloat) and other looksmaxxes. He wasn't balding, had a good bone structure visible even under all the fat, good eye area, good beard genetics, etc. But of course he had mental issues and as we all know reading "black pill" content 24/7 like he did won't make anyone's situation any better.

he shot a 3yo