Pokémon (Not-So) Griefing Thread - Scarlet and Violet Released with 10 Million Copies in First 3 Days in Buggy States

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I've felt like ever since PLA they've wanted to ditch the traditional battle system but couldn't because it would piss off the VGCfags so their solution is this "official Showdown" with Champions. Now the games can use different battle systems and the VGCfags can use Champions instead. Either that or Legends just always has weird battle systems and the next Non-Legends game will go back to basics. Either way, I'm looking forward to using my Gen 1, 2 and other old gen mons on Champions and Legends Z-A
 
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Twin Addler said:
I've felt like ever since PLA they've wanted to ditch the traditional battle system but couldn't because it would piss off the VGCfags so their solution is this "official Showdown" with Champions. Now the games can use different battle systems and the VGCfags can use Champions instead. Either that or Legends just always has weird battle systems and the next Non-Legends game will go back to basics. Either way, I'm looking forward to using my Gen 1, 2 and other old gen mons on Champions and Legends Z-A
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The problem is if you ditch the core gameplay..you end up like Final Fantasy which has completely fucking lost it's identity after 10 and has become The Catgirl Tranny MMO and Devil May Cry except for Fujos.
 
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Honka Honka Burning Love said:
The problem is if you ditch the core gameplay..you end up like Final Fantasy which has completely fucking lost it's identity after 10 and has become The Catgirl Tranny MMO and Devil May Cry except for Fujos.
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Pokémon also has a unique problem in that it has a lot of indie games outright copying its core gameplay loop, so if you remove that shit from the series entirely people will just start boosting some indie garbage that looks vaguely like Pokémon and people (who have sentience, I'm not talking about normal consoomers) will flock to that game instead. Look at what happened when Palworld stole that loop and rode the coattails of a godawful 2000s meme at a time when mainline Pokémon was having its third or fourth major controversy in a row. A fucking shovelware title became one of the fastest-selling games on Steam and people still talk about it like it's an actual game instead of a scam like the rest of that studio's slop is.
 
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Anonitolia said:
no, they're about equal. The fact that I can even say this without there being immediate and obvious proof against such a statement depresses me to no end.
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Wrong, sales show that people would rather play a Pokemon knock off rather than the real games. The only ones who still buy Pokemon titles on the Switch or whale for mobile are low impulse control paypigs that will never leave no matter how much they are abused, everyone else has moved on.
 
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30+GameOvers said:
Wrong, sales show that people would rather play a Pokemon knock off rather than the real games. The only ones who still buy Pokemon titles on the Switch or whale for mobile are low impulse control paypigs that will never leave no matter how much they are abused, everyone else has moved on.
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no kidding dumbass, I was talking about quality. That's what I've been ranting about all day lol. Besides, you're not even right on that front. Scarlet and Violet have nearly outsold fucking Red and Blue, they've moved 27 million copies. Palworld has moved 15 million at the absolute most (that's the only statistic I can find for actual sold copies. They're claiming more players elsewhere, but I can't find a scrap of info that confirms it), which while extremely impressive for, again, literal actual shovelware without an official branding in this day and age, is still barely more than half of SV's sales. A good majority still prefer Pokémon enough.
 
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Anonitolia said:
no kidding dumbass, I was talking about quality. That's what I've been ranting about all day lol. Besides, you're not even right on that front. Scarlet and Violet have nearly outsold fucking Red and Blue, they've moved 27 million copies. Palworld has moved 15 million at the absolute most (that's the only statistic I can find for actual sold copies. They're claiming more players elsewhere, but I can't find a scrap of info that confirms it), which while extremely impressive for, again, literal actual shovelware without an official branding in this day and age, is still barely more than half of SV's sales. A good majority still prefer Pokémon enough.
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I wouldn't categorize those who paid for SV as "people". Again, they are human equivalent of a free bingo square, they will always give Gamefreak money no matter what. The fact that Palworld(superior game btw) was able to move so many units AND make TPCi shit themselves in fear shows us that people are ready for a competitor. This is a good start, I am looking forward to others.
 
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on a different topic:
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Z-A on the left, SV on the right. They have had at least three years of active development and have actively gone backwards in modeling and texturing the Pokémon themselves by almost every single metric. HOW DO YOU MANAGE THAT.

  • Chikorita has lost the upper lip that made its mouth look like a mouth and not a sticker
  • It has also lost all of its skin texture
  • Its eyes are no longer indented or shaded, once again leading to looking like a sticker
  • It's so saturated you can barely make out where the scleras end and the skin begins
  • Mega Lucario has similarly lost all of SV Lucario's metallic texturing,
  • as well as the fur texturing,
  • any shading on the eyes,
  • and the indentation that actually made them look like eyes.

I can't even claim that this is good for unifying the aesthetics like I wanted to, because look at that fucking fountain compared to Chikorita. Look at the tiles underneath Mega Lucario. This game is having the opposite problem of SV, where the textures on the buildings actually look so much better than the ones on the Pokémon that it's distracting.

I think that's all the ranting I'm going to do for today done though, I am so exhausted it's not even funny. I already had a year to stop caring about this game and haven't got enough energy to change that for the following year. Guess I'll just go find something else to play lol
 
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The best bit is they picked Tepig as the Fire Starter.

They looked at the game with two French themed Pokemon and picked the one that wasn’t.
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DON'T YOU UNDERSTAND THAT THEY MUST SUBVERT EXPECTATIONS
IT IS VERY IMPORTANT THAT NOBODY SEES IT COMING

I hate this fucking trend so much I'm sorry lol
seriously though it's so dumb. I hope this overwhelming age of irony gets a sincere backlash sooner rather than later.

edit lmao look at how well the new trio is being received
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I think this is the first main-series Pokemon game I will skip completely. I have them all R/B/Y through S/V, but nothing about this presentation compels me to get this one.

I was hoping for a massive region, and taking Legends Arceus and make it bigger and better. But it's just a city now. There's nothing special there. One city that we already know from X/Y, instead of a region to explore. That was really disappointing. Also, maybe I'm the only one who had a problem with this, but I hate that AZ and Floette are just like normal characters now. While the story of X/Y wasn't as good as Gen 5, I really liked the AZ story and character arc he had, and ending his story and appearances right after the reunion with Floette was perfect. Now that feels a lot less special.

Rather than clog up the post with my grievances with Game Freak and their treatment of the franchise since the Switch, I'm just going to skip this one. It's like, would I rather play this (what looks like generic urban city simulator with Pokemon), or one of the DS era games again. The choice is easy.

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edit lmao look at how well the new trio is being received
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The water starter is almost always the best.
 
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Vechu said:
happy Pokémon day.
What is your favorite Pokémon based memory?
What is the reason you hold Pokémon so dearly to your heart through adulthood?
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I surprised my husband with a very expensive plush, back when we were teenagers. We were still long-distance dating at the time, so I made him turn on his webcam to show him, and he was so excited to see it. I love pokemon because it's a thing I can do with him, but that memory in particular makes me smile.

And it's something that helps me connect with the youths, which is part of my job. I don't understand what kids like these days, with the Super Mario Logans, and the Sprunkis, and whatever... But I understand the Pikachu.
 
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Vechu said:
happy Pokémon day.
What is your favorite Pokémon based memory?
What is the reason you hold Pokémon so dearly to your heart through adulthood?
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1. One of my favorite memories is completing my Pokédex in HG/SS just before BW came out. Then proceeding to complete BW in the following weeks alongside its Pokédex.
2. I've got a lot of nostalgia for the Pokémon series. Grew up with it, kept solid with it through Gen VI.
 
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Vechu said:
happy Pokémon day.
What is your favorite Pokémon based memory?
What is the reason you hold Pokémon so dearly to your heart through adulthood?
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Favorite memory.. When I was a kid I got the Pokemon edition Gameboy Color that came with Pokemon Yellow in the box. That was the first Pokemon game I ever got that was actually mine and not just me playing somebody else's. Afterwards that day we took a long trip to California, and I played that thing the entire trip doing almost nothing else, was completely hooked. I want to get that Gameboy set now, but it is astronomically expensive.

One other good one is I remember the very day Pokemon cards became popular at my school and that was when I first heard of Pokemon myself. I even remember the day I first saw the anime, where I saw it and everything. It was the island of giant Pokemon episode. I guess that's three memories, but there you go.

Why it stuck with me for this long? I think because, for the most part, the games have been consistently good and fun for a very long time. For me, the quality started to get questionable in the 3DS era, but they were still mostly good. Plus, I really liked hacking the games to unlock the event exclusive stuff, felt like "you're not supposed to be here or find this Mon" and such. I finally took a month to complete the entire National Living Dex for Gens 1-9. It's something I always wanted to do as I got older, but it just got so overwhelming as more games kept coming out, but I finally did it, and I never have to do it again.

It is still my favorite franchise of all time, which is part of why the more recent entries have been a little more disappointing. But I am still hopeful and optimistic that the next main series one will be better.
 
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Vechu said:
happy Pokémon day.
What is your favorite Pokémon based memory?
What is the reason you hold Pokémon so dearly to your heart through adulthood?
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What is your favorite Pokémon based memory?
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It's either getting the Japanese Pokémon White edition DSi bundle for Christmas or attending Worlds as a spectator in 2013 and giving their Last Chance Qualifier a run. The former was my first Japanese Pokémon game it genuinely felt amazing getting a slight leg up on the trend while Worlds was just blast to be a part of.
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It's a nice reminder of what was, I can also still take part in various competitive aspects of the IP (most notably the TCG) without much fuss.

That said my faith in the IP has been shaken in recent times, the apparent bugginess of SV has made me less trusting of Game Freak and The Pokémon Company whilst the recent scalper madness and wannabe stock market retards infecting the TCG has made me really despise the The Pokémon Company International (so much so that genuinely believe there needs to be some hard restructuring within company).
 
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Vechu said:
happy Pokémon day.
What is your favorite Pokémon based memory?
What is the reason you hold Pokémon so dearly to your heart through adulthood?
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I remembered catching a Shiny Hoothoot while playing Silver on an emulator, and IIRC it was around the time when the Johto anime was airing, and even moreso because Ash had a Shiny Noctowl at the time. Another memory I had was catching a Shiny Druddigon on Y on the 3DS, my first on actual game hardware.

While I haven't followed the franchise hard recently, due to lack of interest, I do keep an eye on it from time to time, as a reminder of how one man's autistic hobby (Satoshi Tajiri's interest in bugs and games as a child) turned into one of the biggest media franchises ever. I also found the similarities to be interesting with how Kazunori Yamauchi's love of cars would lead to the Gran Turismo games, and Will Wright liking building cities instead of destroying them lead to the SimCity games, and his later overcoming of real-life tragedy with the 1991 Oakland Firestorm burning down his house lead to The Sims games existing.

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That said my faith in the IP has been shaken in recent times, the apparent bugginess of SV has made me less trusting of Game Freak and The Pokémon Company whilst the recent scalper madness and wannabe stock market retards infecting the TCG has made me really despise the The Pokémon Company International (so much so that genuinely believe there needs to be some hard restructuring within company).
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Funny enough, I think the Pokémon IP could be salvaged, but TPCi and GF choose not to because it's the easy route and they haven't hit the massive financial loss point yet. Whereas the Gran Turismo and The Sims IPs are both not salvageable a this point, because Kaz's ego is too big for the former, and EA chased away all of their talent and using The Sims 4 as an easy cashgrab while Project Rene is in development hell, instead of making an actual Sims game again, for the latter.
 
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