Pokémon (Not-So) Griefing Thread - Scarlet and Violet Released with 10 Million Copies in First 3 Days in Buggy States

[Wingnut]

I don't know about an outright adult-oriented Pokemon story, but the potential has always been there for a more mature one. Just look at the direction Digimon went especially with a series like Tamers. My biggest criticism of the Pokemon franchise has always been that they shied away from ever having a more fleshed out story or exploring darker themes, in either the anime or the games. Several of the games have a nucleus of a good story but they feel held back by the fact that the villains and threats feel a bit too Saturday morning cartoon esque

The thing is it'd be weird to do it now, and would come across as "cringe" (That dreaded word), because everyone is used to the Pokemon they grew up with which is a traditional light-hearted Nintendo series.. Whereas Digimon started from series 1 with plotlines that featured major characters getting literally killed, cities being levelled, global disasters, "glowie" type figures behind conspiracies, etc. Pokemon COULD have gone that direction as well, particularly in Gen 1 (the original lore and artwork of which gives off this sci-fi vibe with weird experiments going on, and an emphasis on Mons being actual "capsule monsters" rather than just animals), but they chose not to. It'd be hard to go back on that now without it getting labelled as overly edgy or grimdark or whatever.

Also, what about Colosseum? I loved that game and think it captured pretty well what a slightly darker Pokemon game could look and feel like. Too bad Game Freak seem to have some grudge about never revisiting the Orre region (and maybe don't even consider it canon as it wasn't their game).
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It's a shame Genius Sonority has been relegated to making stupid spin-off phone games. They did an excellent job with Colosseum and Gale of Darkness. Hell, even Battle Revolution was polished and had great animations, as well as doing Pokemon scale correctly, despite being a slimmed down Stadium game.

 

[Erich Honecker]

It's a shame Genius Sonority has been relegated to making stupid spin-off phone games. They did an excellent job with Colosseum and Gale of Darkness. Hell, even Battle Revolution was polished and had great animations, as well as doing Pokemon scale correctly, despite being a slimmed down Stadium game.

Game Freak don't like anyone else tampering with their baby too much. I can't see them ever letting an outside studio do something as big with the IP as Colosseum/XD again. I think this is one of the reasons why ILCA was given a brief for the Diamond & Pearl remakes that was probably just "remake the originals as closely as possible on Switch hardware and maybe with a few new features". They don't trust other devs taking the games and fleshing out something new with them.

 

[Disc]

It's worth pointing out that Colosseum and XD sold about four million total... while ruby and sapphire sold 6 million in their first fiscal year, and 16 million overall. It's not unreasonable to look at those relative numbers and think there's probably something better you can do with the IP.

 

[Dunsparce]

It's worth pointing out that Colosseum and XD sold about four million total... while ruby and sapphire sold 6 million in their first fiscal year, and 16 million overall. It's not unreasonable to look at those relative numbers and think there's probably something better you can do with the IP.

Besides the lackluster sales, I also clearly remember opinions on both games being mostly mixed or outright negative, from both gaming magazines and players on message boards, back in the day. A lot of the praise both games get seemed to mostly come about many years after the fact.

 

[Nauseated Courgi]

Besides the lackluster sales, I also clearly remember opinions on both games being mostly mixed or outright negative, from both gaming magazines and players on message boards, back in the day. A lot of the praise both games get seemed to mostly come about many years after the fact.

Ah. So both of those games and Black and White have something in common then.

 

[Disc]

Besides the lackluster sales, I also clearly remember opinions on both games being mostly mixed or outright negative, from both gaming magazines and players on message boards, back in the day. A lot of the praise both games get seemed to mostly come about many years after the fact.

Lackluster is an extremely relative term, but for the big 3d console release, they would have been a comparative disappointment. And it's not surprising, really. All the people who want every pokemon in every game would have hated the idea of such a confining roster in both of them. It's easy to look back now, see what they did good, compare it to the modern ones and make claims things would have been better that way, but that loses vital context.

It's easy to look back now and say 'look how much more detailed and deep this animations are', without realising that... that was part of the problem. Most people who have an issue with Pokemon Colosseum will point out how slow the animations are.

Or how many Cipher hallways seem to have people using the roof more than the floor. That got tedious after a very short while.

I've been considering doing a let's sperg of pokemon XD.

 

[Dunsparce]

It's easy to look back now and say 'look how much more detailed and deep this animations are', without realising that... that was part of the problem. Most people who have an issue with Pokemon Colosseum will point out how slow the animations are.

One point of contention was how almost all of the Gen I and II Pokemon simply used their Pokemon Stadium models(Battle Revolution at least slightly polished them). As such many of the Pokemon, especially those from Gen I(and thus the first Stadium) were janky looking(Rhydon and its square-shaped drill) and off-model(Though this is mostly because they were the very first 3D renders ever made for those Pokemon and Game Freak wasn't as picky with designs at the time)

 

[Dave.]

Old but gold

 

[Kari Kamiya]

Old but gold

That reminds me of my shiny story.

One morning before school, I was playing Silver and just leveling up Pokémon in Mt. Silver when I ran into a shiny Ponyta. I had no idea what I was looking at, but my eyes had widened with a gasp as I gave the order for my Pokémon to attack to get it in the orange.

But then it fled. :/ Ruined my morning.

About ten or eleven years later, I'm playing SoulSilver and just training my team in Mt. Silver when I ran into a shiny Rapidash. I had a freak out moment with my brothers in the room, and then proceeded to stupidly poison it. I dunno what I was thinking. Luckily, though, I managed to catch it at the sliver of health, and the circle of life was complete.

Wasn't my only shiny encounters, though. Months before in Diamond in Victory Road, I came across a shiny Onix, but my Alakazam somehow took it out with a neutral Hidden Power. I thought I'd never get a shiny proper lol.

Weirdly, though, OmegaRuby was easier on shiny hunting than any game before it. Ended up catching two shinies in my entire playthrough, probably not in the same sitting, but like a couple days apart I think. But the Ponyta/Rapidash encounters are just too special to me that I don't think I'll ever top that.

 

[Fialovy]

That reminds me of my shiny story.

One morning before school, I was playing Silver and just leveling up Pokémon in Mt. Silver when I ran into a shiny Ponyta. I had no idea what I was looking at, but my eyes had widened with a gasp as I gave the order for my Pokémon to attack to get it in the orange.

But then it fled. :/ Ruined my morning.

About ten or eleven years later, I'm playing SoulSilver and just training my team in Mt. Silver when I ran into a shiny Rapidash. I had a freak out moment with my brothers in the room, and then proceeded to stupidly poison it. I dunno what I was thinking. Luckily, though, I managed to catch it at the sliver of health, and the circle of life was complete.

Wasn't my only shiny encounters, though. Months before in Diamond in Victory Road, I came across a shiny Onix, but my Alakazam somehow took it out with a neutral Hidden Power. I thought I'd never get a shiny proper lol.

Weirdly, though, OmegaRuby was easier on shiny hunting than any game before it. Ended up catching two shinies in my entire playthrough, probably not in the same sitting, but like a couple days apart I think. But the Ponyta/Rapidash encounters are just too special to me that I don't think I'll ever top that.

If we are talking about shiny stories, I remember when I was in the Safari Zone in my Platinum version on vacation and I encountered a shiny quagsire. I was expecting it to run but even after, like, ten turns it still wouldn't run at all like it wanted me to catch it. I eventually caught it. It was insane.

Of course, I'm not always that lucky because I also encountered a shiny kangaskhan in the Safari Zone and that ran away immediately.

 

[Here Comes Mongo]

My only shiny story (besides the Red Gyarados in G/S, blah blah old hat) was running into a shiny Pikachu in Pokémon X. Caught it. Hell of it is, I can't stand Pikachu and looked at it as the Pokeverse trolling me, as that's the only shiny Pokémon I've ever encountered.

 

[Jean Lafitte 1812]

I have a shiny Abra that I bred in X that I finally got to use competitively when the Isle of Armor released. In thousands of hours of breeding and playing the games, probably 10k+ eggs, it is literally the only random shiny I've ever found. With the exception of a few in the ROM hack Pyrite, a challenge Gen 2 ROM hack that upped the shiny rates to show off the custom sprites.

 

[Juan's Sombrero]

FireRed.

Safari Zone.

Fished up a shiny Magikarp.

Chose "Run" accidently instead of "Ball".

 

[Hanamura]

My first shiny was a Tentacool in Sapphire. Thought it was a glitch or something, but all my important Pokemon were on Emerald so I figure it'd be fun to see what a glitched Pokemon does to your game. Go to catch it, realize I had no Pokeballs.

 

[Shining Wit]

First and only non-event shiny was in Crystal, found a blue Psyduck south of the national park, which I accidentally killed. Somehow, when I reset it only took a few minutes to respawn, which lead me as a kid to believe shinys were fixed spawns for like 10 years

 

[Jean Lafitte 1812]

First and only non-event shiny was in Crystal, found a blue Psyduck south of the national park, which I accidentally killed. Somehow, when I reset it only took a few minutes to respawn, which lead me as a kid to believe shinys were fixed spawns for like 10 years

I've actually heard of this type of story before, with someone saying they could reliably spawn a shiny Sentret on the first Johto route. I'm guessing that the Crystal RNG isn't too complex.

Despite them making it more complex over the years, autists have still decoded it to the point that you can do RNG abuse in any Pokemon game.

 

[Sundae]

My shiny stories: First shiny I ever got was a Tyrogue that hatched from the egg the guy at the daycare gives you in Pokemon Crystal. I ended up evolving it into a Hitmontop.

Years later, during my playthrough of SoulSilver, I encountered a shiny Ekans. Caught him it and named him Nag, after the male cobra from Rikki-Tikki-Tavi (I later caught a normal female Ekans and named her Nagaina, and then later a Zangoose I named RikkiTikki).

I can't remember what it was specifically, but I recall at one point during SoulSIlver returning to one of the early game routes and encountering a shiny, but all my Pokemon on hand were vastly over-leveled, so there was no way I would have been able to catch it.

 

[Erich Honecker]

I've actually heard of this type of story before, with someone saying they could reliably spawn a shiny Sentret on the first Johto route. I'm guessing that the Crystal RNG isn't too complex.

Despite them making it more complex over the years, autists have still decoded it to the point that you can do RNG abuse in any Pokemon game.

On the 3DS Virtual Console version of Crystal I found two shinies within 5 minutes of each other once. Unfortunately it was very early in the game so it was just a Sandslash and a Rattata, nothing special. But to this day I still wonder if that was bugged or if I just experienced godlike luck.

 

[Juan's Sombrero]

On the 3DS Virtual Console version of Crystal I found two shinies within 5 minutes of each other once. Unfortunately it was very early in the game so it was just a Sandslash and a Rattata, nothing special. But to this day I still wonder if that was bugged or if I just experienced godlike luck.

There have been cases of that. Two to three at best. That said, luck really is a huge factor.

 

[Thiletonomics]

The two Shiny memories that I had was finding a Shiny Druddigon in Y, which I caught, and a Shiny Mareep in a Horde Encounter in Y, which I also caught. I was nervous as hell during the Mareep encounter, as you have to KO the other four in the Horde before you can catch the one left.